NothingButTheRain

Wargaming has decided to decrease operations rewards

I can see it happening: Ow wow the ships on my team are potato and enemy team has better ships/players. Lets go suicide so I get my ship back faster. And there's always the odd fantastic game. One my team lost all 4 DDs within 4 minutes and the enemy had all 3 caps and 500 point lead. And we stiull managed to win because the enemy DDs decided to yolo in and die lmao. But I think your suggestion won't really work. Perhaps it would be better to change the economics so the difference between a win and a loss is less pronounced?

I've seen that vid. As Leo Apollo pointed out there's an excellent site with stats on all 4 official wows servers (that weird chinese one is not counted I think?). Looks like stalingrad, smolensk and the russian battleships were not enough for the russians to keep playing?

Don't we get Raptor starting from tomorrow?

You need a win for those daily missions to count except the first 2.

I still remember how lively the operations channel was weeks before dynamo got removed. And how silent the operations channel became after that. It took months before replies here became a little bit more sensible then the standard (echo) responses. Lets see how popular operations will be the next 4 weeks!

Well, till kw comes along in 3 weeks or so, operations are gonna get very boring now for a while. Well, whatever.

I thought as much. Kinda counterintuitive, to reduce a reward system that otherwise this game heavily relies on. But whatever floats your boat.

And Raptor is not getting removed even though it has the exact same issues with the bots. The going backward bots are already solved, so no significant difference there. My guess is they are also removing this to make it harder for people to get JB or Smolensk (and to a lesser extend the future fxp ships) by farming daily crates using narai so people get forced to play random battles more. Why else would Raptor not get removed as well by them? WG isn't stupid, so I doubt the left out Raptor by accident seeing there was a lot of complaining about Raptor as well last time it was weekly. Narai is wayyy more popular then Raptor especially for farming. The reason it's removed is probably to do with this.

I think it was Chapa and not Donskoi, indeed. Been a long time since I last played these cruisers but I remember Donskoi being pure bliss.

But you know what? Wargaming is perfectly aware of what they are doing, they don't need me to tell them this. They have all the statistical data available so they can go compare these new russian cruisers with for instance the italian cruisers. Or perhaps the new british cruisers. The bias is right there. Beyond perhaps informing fellow gamers, this has become a pointless effort.

Donskoi was really close back before the CE nerf. It could (iirc that is) effectively stealth radar but only for a little bit. My apologies for my sloppy wording. But imo being able to stealth radar for something like, say, 100m is not really that relevant by itself. The maximum range is imo more important as is the maximum speed of the ship and its ability to punish ships at maximum radar range. Btw, borderline stealth radar is also becoming more of a problem if the ships being able to borderline stealth radar have 1) longer range radar and 2) are very fast. And these new russian cruisers are both of this. Weren't the new cruisers something like 36.5knots? This is faster then some DDs out there? Btw, I edited my post above with some calculations

Totally agree with you! And it's exactly what I do, try to stay at the very edge of the maximum radar bubble and 12km covers a lot more area then 10km. EDIT: If I were to set an effective hydro surface area based on 5km hydro range in which radar is not effective (because it doesn't matter due to having hydro to spot with), 10km radar covers an effective surface area of 314,16km² - 78,54km² = 235,62km² while the russian cruisers with a radar range of 12km² will have an effective surface area of 452,39km² - 78,54km² = 373,85km². 12km radar is arguably roughly 50% more effective compared to 10km radar range. Nobody cares about a hypothetical 5km radar, it's the range that counts. Duration is second but 5km radar range lasting 20 minutes is perhaps of some use, if it were to exist in the game. I'm pointing out how useless a 5km radar range would be to illustrate just how powerful the jump from 10km radar range to 12km radar range is.

Or maybe it's just an attempt at powercreep. The 4km torps, it's really not that relevant how stealthy they are. Even the 8km ones were nice, but not gamebreaking in as much that I was surprised WG had to nerf the torp range on Siegfried from 8km or 9km to 6km used by all KM ships except the premium Graf Spee cruiser. The 12km radar is really nasty for DDs. I think 10km should be the max and all ships in the game which exceed 12km radar range should have these ranges nerfed to 10km. 10km is still powerful but I also play cruiser and getting the 10km used at least requires a lot more work compared to the russian click&railgun radars. Btw, I think the 12km was fine back before all russian ships got an extra 6 or so seconds on their radar duration. This seemed more like a ping, to get enemy ships on the most-recently-spotted-minimap but I still think having something like half the duration going from 10km to 12km is already equally powerful. These new cruisers are absurd. I don't believe anymore WG is trying to make a balanced game here. It's turning more into some sort of mockery or something.

They get basically the same radar as the current russian high tier cruisers. I doubt it will change DD gameplay all that much. And WG won't really see the problem here, just look at stalingrad radar which is also still there.

Just compare these new russian cruisers with the italian ones and the bias is right there. They have the best accuracy of all the cruisers in the game except at near maximum ramge where they are basically second best BUT they have fastest shells too! And improved pen angles which is suppose to be a USN thing oh and also the best radar in the game which is also stealth! And of course their AA will be awesome so anyone who doesn't like to fight carriers is oblidged to play these. Doesn't seem very convincing to me.

Totally agree with you here

Lack of PvE is most probably a key reason why I stopped playing WoT. Or why I hung around in WoWS. There's no reason to remove narai completely, it can be fixed with the old version still being on the live server. Especially if Raptor remains while it has the same issues. It will make grinding that coal for people who haven't gotten the JB or Smolensk yet also more difficult. I'm unfamiliar with boarderlands.

So why not raptor? Raptor has the same issues with the bots as narai.

Nope, didn't receive anything here. I think at least? I could check, if I got one (which I doubt), I probably wouldn't have noticed unless I was given a notification about it while not being afk .

Iirc, when the Cleveland was moved due to that cruiser split, it also had a unique camo. It was not split like the doubloon permacamo was (you would also geta permacamo for the Pensa) but moved as the ship was moved. If Wg would do the same it did back then, then the space camo would be moved to the now coal ship but perhaps you would also be given a standard permacamo for the new tier 10 ship? But I wouldn't count on it per se.

Personally I'm not even sure it is a tech tree or a premium ship, I was mostly reading the article for the way the token-rewarding is gonna be structured. If I really wanted it, I could just spam some fxp (though I'd probably rather just play the ships as for me this is kinda what the point of the game kinda is). But all things said, I still don't like the rng bit of the current event.

I'll first wanna see what the directives are like. I'd need to grind the new line from the start if I wanna get the tier 8 here. The directives and bundles from the now current patch are also meant to reward players who invested money into the game, so they can get the tokens a bit easier. I'm glad I can at least get some premium days and other rewards for the tokens since chances are I won't get enough tokens for the commander.

Feel free to keep us updated on the results

I'd rather I get more ecxp instaed of the extra skills. In the end the ships are just gonna get balanced around 26pt captains instaed which down the line means the only thing which will really chance is the amount of captain grind getting an enormous increase. You don't realise that getting from 15pt to 19pt is kinda like getting a 0pt to 15pt. It gets harder with each point and getting from 19pt to 21 points will probably be similar to getting from 15pt to 19pt. And to go beyond that, no thank! No, most people will not want more grind. On most ships the extra pojnts are not really worthwhile anyway while the loss in ecxp is too much a sacrifice. I am sorry to have to disappoint you, but your dreams of an ultimate 26pt commander are best left in the freezer, never to thaw