NothingButTheRain

I don't have a real problem with adding some BBs with radar, but I had something in mind closer to, say, 8km or so. Not 12km. This will only make things worse for DDs

What upcoming russian BBs? You mean the russian BC line or something that I am not aware of yet?

Sometimes it helps to move the mouse around after having seen the "I am loading, please wait" icon thingy for a while. Or if this fails I will try this link here.

It is possible for all ships (except carriers as those are so totally different) but only if an enemy ship is headed your way and you are just outside your maximum gunrange of the enemy ship you want to shoot. As long as there's no other ship spotting you, you can shoot the enemy ship (you won't have locked onto a ship and thus less good accuracy) just in front of him with the intention of your shells landing on him as he sails to catch your shells. You will remain unspotted and still be able to hit him But this is quite circumstantial and will work only in this situation. Kiting cruisers are more likely go end up in this scenario. Other ways are the run-of-the-mill fire from smoke and fire from behind cover.

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You forgot to mention giving all dds stealth fire and kinetic deflector shields

Well, I can't help but agree with you on this here as well

Totally agree with you 2 on these here as well.

What would theoretically, in your opinion, be the most optimal way to close the skillgap? Because I have seen this mentioned before. The best way to completely close a skillgap is to make skill 100% irrelevant, and I am not so sure I would want that tbh Stupid people will only be worthwhile playing DD if you make DDs virtually unspottable and immortal. Personally I think it's impossible to make these DDegenerates good at playing DD (ok perhaps they can be good in PvE scenarios with their level of skill but this is at best a diversional solution). There is no realistic solution these ddegenrates can be provided to make them good at the game. The only thing that will work is if they git gud. Course they won't like it and they will cry a river and blame it all on radar and planes and bad teammates and the pizza deliverydude but in the end the only solution is for these potatoes to stop being potato. And the best way to do that is by confronting them with their bad gameplay (without making them feel too bad about it as this will only shut anyone down, thus hindering the learning process) and to kinda not listen to them lamenting about the game (effectively muting them without letting them know they are muted). Effectively be constructive about their mistakes. Most people don't want to be bad players but it will be essential to give them a nudge into the right direction. Those people who don't want to improve...well, I think it is fairly clear how these narc-like people should be treated as giving these what they want will only make things worse for everybody else. Totally agree with you on this.

Your assumptions are incorrect. They are over-simplified and thus false by design. You state that radar makes the game more stale and less enjoyable. THIS is where your assumption is just that, just your own personal assumption. Your mistake is to take these as some kind of universal truth. Perhaps stupid people will fall for such fallacies, but it won't work on me. I have already explained my PoV about these new cruisers quite extensively. Your sentence adds nothing except insinuating that I have no idea what will happen when these cruisers arrive and/or that I am not aware of these ships and their 12km radar. Your post is quite offensive. Please don't bother me with your crap again. Change your tone if you want to achieve anything worthwhile with me. Or don't and I will add you to my blacklist, there's always plenty space there to go around

This sounds reminiscent to my experience with the twilight bundles, where most of the camos were either at the start of the line or at the end, with fewer in between.

It does help vs DDs that smoke up in front of an enemy blob and dakka dakka, as there's already plenty of those. And I still see it happen regularly. A day or 2 ago I even got an enemy Black smoking up like 4.8km in front of me while I was in a german DD with 5km hydro. I mean like wut? Caps can be fixed by adding in more cover. And I believe that stupid play should be punished. Radar can be baited or avoided and to make use of your radar, most radar ships really need to play 100% for the caps, which personally I think should be rewarded.

I already got the 12km and cap cover covered And it's also the duration of that radar. With 9km the duration is kinda irrelevant anyway as I can simply move to outside their radar range (unless I got caught closer with my pants down. Then I get what I deserve imo). But try to do that with a 12km 36 second duration on 2 DDs trying to play for the team, trying to get 2 different caps.

Planes are literally and proverbly an entire class on their own And 36 seconds is like only 10 seconds less or so compared to the USN 9km radar? 9km is barely enough to cover even a single cap but the 12km one can easily cover 2 on many maps. And I think being able to effectively lock down 2 of the usual 3 caps on any map is bad for the game and does not entice DD players to play for the objective, especially if it's not a squishy ship (like Donskoi or Chapa). If the enemy team has an unspotted Moskva or Stalingrad and I'm playing DD, wth am I supposed to do if I know that 12km radar could be anywhere? EDITED

To add to what I just said, what do you think will happen if DDs get massively buffed indirectly? Masses of people will flock to playing nothing but DD again and there are already a LOT of destroyers in the game as it is. This was a terrible match lasting a mere 8 1/2 minutes. I was basically permaspotted and with the few enemy BBs having so few targets, I was targetted and shot at all the time. And I don't even have any hydro so I had to rely on my DDs to spot for me, which they still didn't manage enough even though literally more than half the team was DDs! And most weren't even the new EU ones. And this is with radar as it is right now. This match was played this morning around 3am or so. DDs don't really need a buff anyway. Their players need to get buffed or the non-DD players need to become less dependent on their own DDs, so their own skill matters more and RNG matters less. And even though 12km radar can be nasty (imho), the ships themselves aren't OP and their radars are at least not as long duration as the tier 10 12km radar ones. I still think all 12km radars should lose some of their radar duration. But the rest should remain as is (yes this includes ALL radars that are below 12km) or at least not get any worse as wows needs radar to exist.

And lets face it. Even if radar would become heavily nerfed, it would never change the first DD dying within 4 minutes of the game anyway. The BB AP nerf made DDs yolo more and didn't do much to help their global survivability. DDegenerates will potato harder the more immune WG makes their ships. Most of the time it is just a matter of git gud. Sure many DD-only players don't like to hear that but it's the cold hard truth. They are just bad players and removing carriers and radars from the game will probably only change their demands into bringing stealth firing back and giving all DDs kinetic deflector shields with a 5 second reload on their torp reload booster, which of course all DDs should really have to help balance the game and whatsnot. There will never be an end to their demands.

I think the 12km ones are a bit too much. 10km and down is so much easier to work with when playing DD and 9km and below is really mostly a non-issue. 12km wouldn't be as bad if the radar duration would be a lot shorter like they used to be before the radar rework when the 12km radars got 6 seconds extra personal illumination on top of the standard global radar illumination the russian cruisers already had.

I wouldn't call the tier 10 12km radars short-duration though, especially with the coal upgrade

And how does one get one? Premium shop? Because I tried to google it but it only came up on the wows wiki as a promo?

What is an Orkan anyway?

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The change in itself is remarkable enough though. It seems unlikely to me that they would have actually bothered with it if nothing had changed. But it could have been as trivial as an unintended side-effect of changes made to smolensk in relationship to the captains logbook. But still, I wouldn't know why WG wouldn't make it an xmas boat.

So I tried several ones. My first doubloon rental was the Missouri and since this is literally my most played ship, I didn't want to try her out again The credit rentals I very much liked even if only to be able to try them out! I tested the Bayard, which I kinda didn't like. The Duca degli Abruzzi played only a single battle but she seemed pretty good actually. Good torp angles, decent reload, it has a heal and HE and hydro. I kinda liked this ship. Loyang is basically a Benson (I really liked the Benson) but the match was a bottom tier one in which I got outplayed by the enemy DDs. The Yūdachi though I ended up really liking. Kinda felt like a Shima put in tier 7. Conceilment is not that great (6.1km?) but 15km torps, even managed to land several of them. Yes, that was definitely a fun battle for me So which ones have you tried and which ones did you like? (and which ones you liked not?)

Really?

Thanks everybody for giving your feedback here! I got to try 2 more, Haida and Z-39. I did not like Z-39, end of line. Haida was more fun, especially with that rolling smoke along with a spare smoke upgrade. I played very badly in both of them but the Haida seemed more fun to me. I did have 1 funny moment though when playing the Z-39. I was bottom tier in both these matches, both maps Greece. At some point I spotted a Black and as I assumed his radar was on cooldown, I smoked up. Course he popped radar and proceeded to dakka me while remaining spotted himself. Then his radar ran out (I still lived) and I got unspotted as he smoked up....at 4.8km distance from me. He remained stationary for some reason why I used my pingpongcannons to 'farm' him just inside the range of my 5km hydro DoY was next, but I already have that one and I was getting tired. Maybe tomorrow I will try out the rest.