NothingButTheRain

Replays? This doesn't tell anything like which ships were still alive at what time. It doesn't tell any battle progression. And besides, none of these ships are camping at the map border, which is part of my point. I didn't have any camping BBs today. I did get a Conqueror who kept sailing behind me but we did were in full retreat. Alas he did end almost on top of the charts while I ended at the bottom despite having been near the contested cap that we ended up loosing. But you're overreacting, none of these BBs are at the border of the map and on one pic they are actually inside a cap.

When was this?

I agree with you. But the best you can do about it now is to install Aslains WoWS mod and click the option to remove the dogtags, like some others here already suggested. I really dislike these patches being in your face and blocking my screen and the dogtag remover feels like a breath of fresh air!

Just to put myself as an example along with the frustrations of my CV player. I have seen CV players of my team GO AFK THE MOMENT THEY SAW THE ENEMY WAS SAIPAN. No kidding. This didn't happen many times, but most times my CV player would loose whenever the enemy player was a Saipan. And frankly, this is THE reason why I'm not even gonna bother playing CV in randoms above tier 5 or so? I play my CVs in coop and operations, just so I can at least enjoy myself without having to play the "Saipan you loose!"-lottery, which is a waste of my time. Tier 7 CV is still played alright but at tier 8 it drops off, people will continu to play their OP tier 7 premium CVs so the tier 7 amount of CV players will remain relatively high. At tier 8 it drops off massively and this almost has to be because people stop playing the silver CVs. This is also a possible explanation. Whats your main account? With 62 battles I don't think you can point out stuff about high tiers like that :P

I actually suspect this is one of the main reasons I see much fewer CVs in tiers above 6. It's also a main reason why I stopped playing CV in random, along with the fact I don't want to be the cause of my team loosing simply because the enemy CV is simply better (or one of those OP premiums pilotted by a much better player). Maybe you can still use your CV in operations though. I sure enjoy playing my tier 6 ones in scenarios! I haven't gotten a chance yet to try out my ranger in operations, but I surely won't try it out in randoms because I know what I will be facing... So I think I kinda understand you?

The first time I saw this (it was on PTS) I was like :D :D To me scenarios are a welcome break from randoms or from the radically shifting experiences there. I very much like that missions can also be done in operations now! I think the tier 6 ones are the right level of not being too hard and not being too easy and also not being too frustrating (though the Raptor one had so many failures, that was so frustrating that I decided to not even bother with Raptor anymore till Defend ops was the weekly scenario). The tier 7 ones are no fun anymore. With Atlanta I get prioritized way too much, they actually sink the ships I hide behind before starting to target the ships that are actually doing damage to them. And with BBs Hermes was just easy mode, with me often not even taking any damage till the torpy bit... And Frontier has become harder (now you need 3 forts alive I think instead of 2), even though that was already the least fun operation at tier 7 to me and everyone becomes overstretched across the map on this one. It's more like a senseless slaughter for the bots with a couple players making it till the end bit by clamping onto the heal zone and then "Lets see how many stars we gotten this time" type of gamble. Or at least usually. Narai was fun and engaging. Sure there was the occasional stupid stuff but overall it was pure bliss! I do think a hard mode for scenarios would be welcome

That's analogous to "Know that you need to shoot the red stuff", which imo basically everybody does (except for people who are AFK that is). Not a good comparison. Don't mock me and don't imply indirectly I'm one of those campers in the back. You know perfectly well that THIS here is not what I meant. Or perhaps you mean this entire thread along with its complaint is a joke. That I see as more plausible. So I suppose you agree with this not being exaggerated? In that case, go ahead and actually COUNT how many BBs TODAY you see being border sliders and chickens camping from max range. Go ahead and count the actual numbers. It's a sunday, should be way above average today (so according to you it should be much higher then 66% of ALL BB players, right?). Go ahead. Or perhaps it's you guys who should change their attitudes. "Oh yes you was full health!" no I wasn't. "I was first place!" no you weren't. "You were camping in the back!" no I wasn't. "You are coward!" No I'm not. "You snipe from max range 3 out of 4 matches!" no I don't. I see lots of people speak out about lots of things but frankly I think many of those people should get their facts straight first. Bring proof or the problem is overreacting and being overemotional when it comes to actually sizing up this great sniping problem that needs acute interdiction. I'm really sorry but the numbers presented here sound unbelievable to me. Totally not realistic. Otoh I have seen people claiming things that simply were not true. I've been accused of supposedly been doing stuff and later (when they saw the actual replay themselves) they apologized almost as if they were ashamed of themselves or they simply refuse to accept cold hard facts and simply prefered to continu to play a victim role. Go ahead and count the actual number of BB per game, how many of them snipe at their max range all game and how many only camp the borders for no good reason at all. Because I don't believe you guys here.

So far I have found the tier 6 scenarios to be not that much harder. I had more gripes with poor teamplayers then with scenario difficulty and perhaps a bug or 2. But the tier 7 ones used to be nice and now are not very enjoyable anymore. Narai is gone, Fronteer is no fun to me with too low xp rewards and too much frustration and Hermes with Altanta means hiding behind Ruan all the time while with Rich it's basically easy mode till the last torpy part. The tier 7 ones could use a bit more love and could be made to be less harsh. But so far I haven't really noticed the increased difficulty with the tier 6 scenarios. I like the linear rewards bit :) Rewards for courageous resistance sounds great to me I'm not sure about the heals bit, it may actually make people protect them a bit more and it will punish the team if it gets destroyed. Narai is gone and I still miss it I've seen Little Trouble ram the transports as well, but that should be avoidable with some torps I think? The life leech...is that a little bit like the heal thingy we had in the halloween scenario? That rocked! Personally I think KIller Whale is fine. The only thing I don't like about Killer Whale is that targetting some ship will instead target some fort instead Raptor scenario ended for me with lots of frustration and mostly losses of the idiot kind Like loosing a Cleveland before we even get to the carrier or loosing Raptor even before we get to the torpy bit, what? But personally I'd mostly like to see the nerfs to the tier 7 scenarios be undone, or at least partially. Some of it is simply rediculous (poor Atlantas).

It's not that I don't agree with you that BB players that play BB that way are not behaving in a commendable way. It's that nerfing BBs won't fix that and that most people I see in game actually do try their best and are not camping somewhere behind the back somewhere. I think you're exaggerating here. And this solution won't fix this supposed very urgent problem. What I notice more in a bad way, are toxic players who spam the chat or ping the noobs that are supposedly the root cause of their losses, and AFK players. No, toxicity is also the result of people who want to vent their anger to other players who might or might not have anything to do with the cause of this anger. So it's absolutely not exclusive to what you're referencing here. Actually, most of the time toxic chat has nothing to do with others not willing to team up. An example is someone who was in a div who accused me of causing the loss of the game, but his facts were all lies, all meant to boost his own ego and to devaluate my efforts into that game by making stuff up like me having full hp while I had less then half and no heals left and more of such lies. I report these for bad behavior in chat. And yes, most games cost money but they are still games. I wouldn't want to call a stock market a game, but some people may see it that way. Now don't get me wrong, I know the camping battleship players you're talking about and it just plain poor. But it's not something I would consider of more importance then toxicity in chat, toxic chat is MUCH more common. Also, it may help some players to not expect too much perfection from other players. Not everyone is a super unicum like you Last 7 days Last 21 days Battles 5 224 0 25 63 Win rate Next level: Unicum (+1.2%) 58.77% Great - - 76% Super Unicum + 0.08% 73.02% Super Unicum + 0.17% Personal Rating (PR) Next level: Very Good (+9) 1 541 Good - - 1 843 Great + 2 1 848 Great + 4 Lowering the bar helps a lot already. I know, even things like tier 6 operations can really work on your nerves if you expect too much of them. And by too much I mean that I actually expect maybe 2 or perhaps 3 good players at the most in operations and the rest is either noob or a freeloader/troll And yes this game also costs me money, but it's still a game. Purple ratings mean nothing outside of the computer screen, or at least that's how I see it. There's so many more MUCH more important things out there that I take much more seriously. And some things even money is worth nothing anymore once you know the value of someones life and such. It just isn't. Sorry that I don't that the BB problem so seriously, but I just don't see this particular problem as game-breaking and I certainly hardly ever see a BB hugging a border. And I mean literally! Maybe once every 100 games or even fewer!

Frankly...I've seen some people call others cowards even if it was totally uncalled for. These 'cowards' were nothing but a product of their imagination. An example is someone who complained to me that I had caused our loss, but this guy stated it was a fact that I was a coward and that I was full health...even though I had actually less then half health and had zero heals left. Also he stated as a fact that he was 1st place in our team, which was also not the case. Such peoples facts like someone being a coward, are just a ghost inside their imagination. So to say that people being cowards is supposedly the real problem...I doubt that. If there even is a more widespread problem, it's probably people being clueless and yes this also happens to me. Some people simply don't even care what the problem is, as long as it's someone else they can blame for their own failures. Actually I think this and other kinds of toxicity are much more of a problem afaic. I do think that new rewards are a nice idea, but this was already brought to everyones attention by Flamu. To me this thread seems a bit redundant when it comes to extra rewards. Now what this camping BB 'problem' is concerned, I challende the supposed fact that BB camping is actually a significant problem. It happens sometimes, but most of the times I see these accusations thrown around, I'm not seeing it. But I do see some angry kid who blames everyone and their cat for their unfortunate misfortunes. The toxicity is the problem, not the warships.

Coop, of course. Where else? Or use fxp for the modules instead of trying to freeload and hope the rest of the team can carry them. I think Raptor turned more sour the last few days (with the amount of wins dropping WAY under 50%) due to too many freeloaders being in the teams. The only defeat I had in Defend this week was a battle where we had 2 DDs, one was a IJN DD and of course these DDs ended at the bottom of the list, even below a CL who died in the first wave (I kid you not that CL really died in the first wave. And 1 DD placed even below him after we had lost and the other directly above him). So yes, the answer is coop. You get +50% win like 95% of the times and coop battles last a lot shorter. Or play DDs in randoms and get much better rewards even if you loose, but a loss in scenario basically means you get even less reward then in coop while having spend maybe 3 times as much time...only because you got teamed up with too many freeloaders.

COOP is 8 vs 8 vs only bots in enemy team, this battle is 10 vs 10 with humans on both sides and seeing he has 35 battles in total, this was probably one of those matches described by Klopirat.

I always cry a little when I see a DD in ops "But I'm good with DD!" yes maybe, but you'd be even more better if you had taken a CL or a CA or BB or a CV And whatsnot, other more new players will see this and start thinking "Hey, I'll bring all my 3pt captain stock DDs into operations too!" yes very much funny. So far Defend seems to be operating normally, kinda like it used to. It does seem to require more good players and imo for the Defend scenario, DPM >> everything! So don't bring puny gunned DDs and don't die (also don't sacrifice before the final assault, it's better to then let them penetrate the green boundary). And all stay withing the green circle. At the final assault all cruisers should go into the repair areas. BBs are more free to roam around a bit more but BBs that do that I do see dying a lot (I mean a LOT! Almost always do they end up dying but I think the CLs are more important in the end bit anyway due to their firepower and consumables and perhaps speed to quickly kill the last CV). This operation is also good for CVs and for some reason I perform better with Ryujo here then I did at Raptor. I think this ops has good balance and basically is just right, though regarding operations I tend to perform above average.

My understanding was that this general concensus was that only the chat report could do more then just reduce karma.

The thing is that one can tell a DD is playing extremely poor if the DD player yoloes towards enemies and uses guns and gets himself killed. That anyone could see. But I do agree that some things you basically can't really tell unless you've experience dit yourself (like playing CV or something).

And vice versa it also doesn't mean that if some elitist has supermegaunicum stats, that their toxicity is suddenly warranted somehow.

So far I think La Ga is ok as a replacement. I don't have a captain on my Nürnberg atm, but I remember liking her. I have recently (partially thanks to these missions) tried out Budyonny and I think this is a great replacement. I didn't like Leander very much, it has poor AA, bad damage potential vs angled targets and poor range. Don't forget that these other cruisers have something that Cleveland doesn't, torps

Noooo, sell all your ARP ships to meeee! I got like 45 spaces there and I really need some extra slots, all are taken

I know someone in my clan who was telling me he had wanted an Atlanta ever since he learned how much fun the ship is from me playing it. And vice versa he told me how much fun Scharnhorst is. Now both of us can have our wishes granted! I do wonder how long they will stay in the tech tree this time, I already spend a lot of money lately so I hope these ships will remain there for a longer while. There is a mod where you can view ships that are currently unavailable. I can even preview the ARP ships that way, even though I will probably never have one I'd LOVE to be able to sail all 4 Kongos!

I try to see it this way. I don't mind AFK players as much as in andoms or scenarios. I basically just report them and often see them having gotten 0 xp and this is a fine solution for me. Just let them get 0 xp all the time and more targets for me If they get no reward for being AFK, at some point they might not even bother trying AFKing anymore.

Yes I know. But the question was if cruisers 'can' be effective with HE only. And my answer to that question is 'yes'. Sure, I'll even use AP with Atlanta once in a while, but would usually use HE. I suppose when shooting AP at BBs you aim for the superstructure or the side above the armored belt?

I had similar results when playing Hermes last time it was in rotation. With Atlanta I ws basically trying to hide behind Ruan most of the time (Ruan even died once due to the bots REALLY wanting ME dead ) and with Rich it was basically easy mode, unless I took some torps at the end torpy bit.

The problem with that thread is that suggestions are 'lost in the pile', so to say. It has nothing to do with WG or with warships, I see this happen on a lot of forums. Couldn't some people maybe keep a list of all the more interesting suggestions? I have been somewhat keeping a private list of all threads that are about suggested tech trees, maybe such a collection topic with links to all the suggestion threads would be nice to have here? Though...it would be nice to know if some of the suggestions are actually sensed by WG staff so we also have a better sense of direction in what feedback they are looking for? Flint, Kamikaze, Saipan Btw, I did watch the video. The Montana was actually at the front at the beginning and it may have been there where the Montana had gotten (at least part of) its damage from. Somewhat at the end the Conq is said to have been holding its fire and only after some more waiting finally decided to shoot the cruisers, but it probably couldn't have fired earlier as it was behind and island (which can be said was its actual fault). I do agree with the tone of that video, or at least partially. Don't forget that these parrticular videos are also partially just entertainment. The Conq was sitting at the back for almost all the real match. I had a match kinda similar like this one yesterday when playing my Hindi in Lands of Fire. Both teams had only 1 DD with their DD being an Asashio and that Asashio was at the left side of the map while I was at the island at the right side of the map, taking hits and doing the scout work as our DD was also on left side of map. And what happens? After a couple minutes a Rich tries to cap, but basically gets focussed to death, and 3 other BBs were sitting in the back sniping damage The.Whole.Time! I was risking myself, taking up position for those campers just so they could farm more damage. I left my spot (Rich was almost dead, he received +1 from me have a nice day) and basically said "Go use your HP or something, what are you guys doing hiding behind me?" and "There.is.no.DD there! What are you waithing for?" and the 3 BBs decided to follow me so they could be behind me again? What?!?! They left their positions and tried to find a new position behind me! So then I moved further back into our hinterlands and they kept following me.... Unbelievable. Most games BBs are not so campy and most will actually try to kinda do their thing, but not this match of mine

I think it would be more useful then AP-only. I'm also thinking something like Zao.

I'm hearing so many horror stories about the tier 9 shipsin the game, I can recall only a couple 'good' ones, the USA DD and the Lion. Shouldn't it be considered to buff the crappy tier 9 ones a bit?