NothingButTheRain

You have about 200 people on your blacklist and maybe a sim,ilar number of people on your contact list? And its not just the loading, but MUCH more the damned lag spikes

Then you never played dynamo because frankly, you're the one having missed out I do agree that, if you play solo, operations seem like a large waste of time unless you somehow can carry all these potatoes on your own.

It's too bad that this slows down my crazyslow ui even more. It seems to want to check the online status of everyone there or something.

You know what insanity is? Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

I mean come on. Music like this is the epic epicenter of pure epicness!

WoWS has perhaps the most amazing OST of any game I ever played, if only by the sheer stupifying huge number of awesome tracks it has. It's not just filler, there's several hundred fantastic tracks in this game which is kinda unpresedented. 3 of my favorites ones are these: I mean, I'll even listen to tracks like these when outside of the game

Wait, was this music for cyclones really deleted? This music is great!

Yep. This also means Stalingrad will remain as it is, no matter how terrible this ship is for any kind of competitive play. Looking forward to seeing a lot more of those now in randoms now that owners won't need to keep their heads down in fear of it getting noticed too much, that ships is a joke. Oh well. Next battle.

Looks like no more tier 10 'competitive' gameplay for me then. Oh well, next battle

I agree with this. This is what happened to WoT and the maps got changed for (amongst other reasons) "filthy campers in bushes" and so the great deforestation began (RIP magical forest, welcome aboard corridor brawler maps). Camping has such an unnice ring to it, but if it gets removed we get WoT gameplay. Nowdays the WoT maps are very carefully layed out, every ridge and every roof is meticulously planned (or more often to prevent angles of firing solutions, to block shots from certain directions). And yes, the whiners got their way in WoT and I sincierely hope WoWS doesn't go the same way. And especially the people complaining about camping, they are usually people that just want to brawl and see any stagnation (because someone is perhaps unsure of where to go or is overthinking the situation) as somethjing that needs to be adressed by changing the map. Especially CCs like Flambass and Notser seem to really dislike what they call camping or static gameplay or whatever. Well, if anyone wants to play a brawling wargaming game they should go check WoT out. it's perfect for them and I left because of making all maps basically play the same. It was whining rusher noobs who didn't want smarter players being able to flank them while they rushed across an open field and those whiners got their way in WoT. A large part of the frustration in WoT stems from not being able to pull off manoeuvers that are natural, like flanking or holding a position (which is often called a dirty camper next to an island). I hope WoWS doesn't also listen to these crybabies as there already is one WoT. And one WoT is all the WoT we will ever need

What did I just read?

Sub_Octavian mentioned that if GC gets nerfed, all other OP premiums will also get reviewed and nerfed if deemed necessary. So it's most likely not going to remain an exception.

It is not hard to get to tier 10. It just takes a lot of time and increasing this time won't make players play better anyway. I voted no. Using premium time, usually +150% xp and I still don't have all tier 10 ships. This game is already a huge timesink. WoT can keep its hellish grind, I'm kinda done with that 'game'. I come back from time to time but it's just not enjoyable to play and the toxicity adds some gasoline on top of the hellfire. But anyway, to me this grind is not too generous.

I actually like to use the element fire camo on my conq. Pretty useless, but it looks great

Probably thursdays

Just got the Furious. Tried it out in coop and went to bomb some islands. The sound of the bombs hitting islands sound pretty awesome btw

I don't have any problem with WG now and again copypaste an existing ship and selling it as a premium. I'd love to have a premium Kongo, even if it's just a copypaste And some of these ships are build as sisterships. They are kinda supposed to be very very similar anyway, so why waste resources on 3D modelling? And cloned ships can be nice to have to try out different builds and upgrades or something As long as WG doesn't start getting cheap, right?

Yes, it was. It was a single measurement. I'm pretty sure taking another measurement with somewhat different parameters could shift some things around, but it's kinda a lot of work so I can understand why most people wouldn't want to go through the hassle (and also because it may actually provide proof in one's own disadvantage). What you describe can be seen with the Arkansas ST? (it was an Alabama close iirc) and the Kongo and (to a lesser degree perhaps) Kamikaze clones. But I don't think it goes only in one way. Some old premiums are actually performing worse than I expected (Black, Kutuzov and Missouri come to mind). Another reason I don't think it's as straight forward as suggested by you is that there are many players who still have these old premiums and play them a lot and are actually kinda bad in them (taking myself as an example, just look at my mediocre Missouri stats ). I also see that ships like Belfast and Kutuzov have gotten powercrept, but I believe that this is for a large portion because of the smoke changes. Especially Belfast is still very very strong in its tier. Perhaps removal of one of the upgrade slots (the 6th one?) could make it fit in with the rest in a better way. It would at least prevent it getting retiered, which some people may not like as it would remove Belfast from being used in tier 7 operations (but would add it to Cherry Blossom). I'm not saying with this that Belfast should be nerfed or whatever, I stated my views on Belfast in my lengthy post already and am keeping my stance on belfast as described there.

Nice idea on the special captain. In that way the owners of the (now nerfed old) premium still have something unique that others don't have. I was thinking of some special permacamo as well (like with more economical benefits and or with some unique pretty colors or something). Perhaps even give unique flags to the owners of the ships that are getting nerfed (like a flag with lots of bulletholes in it or something? To depict it having been shot at or whatever, I'm pretty sure a small group of people brainstorming over this can come up with tons of great suggestions and ideas ).

Flint and Belfast have of course their smoke in tier 7, while Black is a tier 9. You're correct in assuming that Black being tier 9 negates its strengths in sucha way that it breaks its brokenness (making it not OP in its list). And Flint has been called an Atlanta in which you can camp everywhere on the map while Atlanta needs the map to make it work, that's a huge advantage in a tier where there isn't even a tech tree radar ship. I definitely agree on the ships with the unique playstyle It's a large part why I like to play ships like Atlanta, Scharnhorst and Conqueror a lot. Yamato, Black and JB are also unique in a way, but I don't get to play them a lot lately due to stuff. The tier 7 ships I can use in operations at laest, so my stats on them are very deceiving. Especially Atlanta got played to death in ops. Black being cheaper was also decisive in my reasons for purchasing her instead of waiting for something else (and also because of the name. I mean come on! DD-666 named Black? ). And currently Black is the only seamine layer in teh game! I think there's another couple ships with 'interesting' names out there, like USS Blue (yes, another color and the 2nd USS Blue was a Sumner) or USS Conway (A Fletcher. Yes, a mister Conway destroyer. Would be funny to some at least? ). Making something unique without it being OP demands a lot on ones creativity, but a lot can be made possible here.

There are a few other things I would like to point out. 1) I'm ok if ships in their own list are not perfectly balanced. I'm ok if some ships in their tech tree are the weaker ones and some others are relatively strong. I think this spices up thigns a bit and livens up a line, even if they appear a bit bland perhaps (good examples of this are the IJN BB line or the French BB line). 2) Personally I'd prefer to have a silver rule or something (sorry, non-native English here blah blah) that it's ok if the top of the list is filled up by a tech tree ship, even if the tech tree ship could be considered very strong for its tier (and even more so if the tech tree line as a whole is not OP). The tier 8 cruiser and tier 9 destroyer lists seem to be like this, with several of the tech tree ships being somewhat better than their brethen in their list and no premium being OP in the same list. I could arguably view these 2 lists as reasonably well balanced ones. Silver ships can be gotten by anyone in the game, so if a silver ship is perhaps borderline OP, it will still not be P2W as everyone can get one. And it is possible to have interesting premiums that are unique, have their special gimmicks (because gimmicks do help sell ships, it's not a secret) and don't break their own list. EDIT

Overall I would agree with this, but I may be one of the few ones that would say that this combo can actually be balanced. I agree that usually it is not a good idea, but it depends for a large part on how useful the smoke and the radar are. To add what I had written earlier, I was actually kinda surprised that Black turned out to be not OP on my list (and no, not because I have one myself now). When I first got Black, I was kinda surprised/disappointed when I noticed that it traded speed boost for the radar and I think this goes a long way to make it less useful (think being able to better dodge torps when camping in your smoke with your radar on the ready. It doesn't have speed boost for quick manoeuvering and it doesn't have hydro either). And the torps are a fun gimmick, but hardly something that make the ship substantially better. The radar make it kinda unique, but it's basically a tier 7 radar lasting 20 seconds or so. I was really surprised by this. It's also the only steel ship that doesn't seem to overperform. The other steel ships seem to be clearly better.

They did? So where did they say this? Because I remember lots of people crying that WG said they would never sell a tier 9 or 10 premium and none (and I mean literally NO-ONE) has ever been able to produce any of this evidence. So for the sake of completeness for the information available in this thread, would you be so kind as to inform us of WG literally and undeniably stated the above? The only thing I remember where someone from WG said something taht did get changed was about subs (and I mean the already sunken subs )

I would also not like this. And I also agree with the last bit. Getting a refund in doubloons when I bought a ship for money is kinda meh in my eyes if the ships in doubloons limit me to older premiums or premiums that are less interesting to me. Personally I think that people who bought premiums with real money should get something extra, like a premium shop coupon instead of ingame doubloons. But it also depends on which ships will be available in the game for doubloons (or perhaps some other interesting stuff for doubloons).