NothingButTheRain

DDs are probably the hardest class to play. If you play them right, you can dictate the course of the battle (and even more so if you can exploit the weaknesses of the red DDs). If you fail, you will perish. The trick is to not fail and to use your brain to play. Obviously I play DD differently from the other classes. THE very first thing I do is check if there's a carrier, how many radar ships and their radar ranges, and which DDs I'm probably gonna fce and which DDs I can dakka dakka and which ones I should avoid. The second thing I do is to plan a direction of what I'm gonna be doing the first 2 to 3 minutes or so while keeping a hawkeye on the minimap because I want to know where their radar ships are. When any of the 3 main factors change, I adapt my playstyle. When all 3 have been eliminated it basically becomes time to mop them up

You know...on second thought...there's now also the changed DoY. I really don't understand what WG is trying to do here. I mean..what? Why? What are they doing? EDIT: I mean, imo it comes down to WG now having comitted substantial amount of resources to change the upper part of the RN BBs because they listened to the wrong people. The RN BB line should never have been changed anyway. And the Italian line seems like a waste of time as it is now, but at least that one is easier to fix (won't cost as many resources).

Isn't Mogador line supposed to be the new hard counter to CLs? I mean both Flamu and Flambass had no problems deleting CLs like Mino and Seattle with ships of the new DD line while sailing broadside with them

On PTS I managed to reliably citadel a 45 degree angled Lion with my Iowa from close range Yep, looks like this line is now a joke. Nice work wargaming. It's not as if these results were totally unexpected

My question was not why he plays differently now, but if and how he plays differently now. And how (according to you) his playstyle is totally different when looking at the playstyle he has now and he had a year ago. I'm asking because I don't know what you are talking about. I really don't. I didn't notice any huge change in how he plays and also not in how this ties into what is being talked about here.

But DDs have been substantially buffed in their survivability since beta, so if their survivability is still low, the cause has to be something else right? And there's sufficient empirical evidence suggesting that players are dying too quickly by their own actions. Like for instance not using any of the advantages of their ships and just yoloing which causes them to die too quickly.

I was referring to shinyo suicide boats btw.

Example of his current playstyle? I mean, the way Flamu played BBs a year ago and the way he played BBs now are both differnt from the current BB meta as deployed by the less gifted and less experienced players. Especially you mentioning him playing totally different. Are you sure about that?

Well, as I was waiting in the que for a random battle on PTS which can take 10 minutes or so, I decided to write down a couple of the things that I noticed. The tier 6 Italian cruiser I was playing was being open water gunboated by a Jervis and the Jervis would have won. So far my overall impressions is that this line is a hard pass and it's the first time I made this decision about any particular line. The only 'interesting' thing is the well, running smoke? Full speed smoke? But for the rest, I'm not even gonna bother with this line if it stays this way.

There is currently a bug with the SAP and IFHE, but this won't make it to the live server. Frankly, I think it is actually extra important that this be changed before going to the live server.

I get 0 damage he pens on a lot of ships, but on DDs it's the most annoying as they are the hardest to spot and every k of damage to them matters the most.

I may go watch this later and see what all the fuss is about But dunno if today as I am kinda busy (also on PTS).

Weren't the supertesters supposed to actually playtest these ships with the new performance? You know, like actually play them before they make such significant (and imo stupid) changes to these ships? Cuz I sure didn't see any of the streamers play them, they focussed on the higher tier ones. I haven't tried Monarch yet but DoY is done now. How the %$^&* is this supposed to be nothing more then a rebalance. How is this more comfortable? I was always against these changes and now we got this pile of S. I warned them. Bleh.

Yes, I had several midgame-disconnects last week. At one point I was playing a coop battle, got kicked from the server, came back and I was dead. Oh well, it was only coop. But still. And I got a funky birds eye view when I got back in I had the flooding and on fire gfx and sounds while viewing the battlegrounds from post-mortum

I'd have to challenge your assumtion on Yamato beating any BB out in the open. Tried it in a training room vs a Grosser and the Grosser won (by a very narrow margin). Map was Ocean and was a training room. But you can expect a BB on BB shooting contest to be roughly 12km from each other (much more distance at the start when people are potshotting from great distance to the end where brawling is the main thing). And I tried a 1 on 1 in my Yamato vs a Stalingrad (both of us nose in) in clan battles and the Stalingrad just ended up rushing me (bathing my shells along the way) and slapping me on the cheek

How come the maps look mirrored?

Well there is the stats that ColonelPete has kindly provided here. Is that hard enough for you? I'm pretty sure that's not because DDs are underpowered, because they are not. You have any hard data of your own to provide?

I very much doubt that the game has changed into something speedier by it's self (with which I mean that the game has not been made to run faster ina literal sense). Someone did have a good explanation and another explanation I can come up with is that now savage battles are gone, the people playing these savage battles are now back into randoms and dying/yoloing quicker, making for battles to unravel more quickly. There certainly is no shortage of Kamikazes these days (and no I don't mean that plane).

It was broken because of this multipen bug WG couldn't fix. But the funny thing is...that it was actually just realistic. The simulator was actually (and perhaps also unexpectedly) better then WG thought. But it did cause high damage AP volleys on DDs very occasionaly But otoh I do get a lot of zero damage HE volleys on destroyers I agree with you. These cruisers don't have hydro or other tools needed to hunt destroyers down. They are basically getting designed in such a way that they are gimped against destroyeres in basically every way. What's the point of this design choice anyway? And I certainly totally agree with this comment here. DDs are supposed tro not get detected. That's why they got the best conceilment in the game! They got no citadel and now they don't even have HE to worry about? What's next? DDs outgunning Minos? Oh wait that's already a thing now Yes, really. Are you not aware of how badly DDs get played these days? Never noticed half of all DDs dead within 4 minutes because they can't read the map, they push into a cap full of radar or gunboating in the open and yolodie? DDs get misplayed so often these days and after 4 minutes the battle is often decided by one team having all of its DDs expired and everybody getting farmed But the dead DD players don't care, because while their now ex-teammates are getting outspotted and farmed, they (the now dead DD players) just go back to port and NEXT BATTLE! spam some more DDs! The most important reason why DDs have the lowest survival value is because of the stupidity of the players playing them. I can tell as I see this a lot up close from all classes (but especially when playing DD myself). Go watch any random stream and instead of listening to the potential ranting of the streamer, just watch their minimaps and watch how long the DDs in their matches last. It's just

I watch a lot of streams on twitch (and not just wows) and I see so many misplays by DD players. No matter where I watch, it seems normal that these days half of both team's DDs are dead within 4 minutes or less. It's just sad. The more DDs get dumbed down, the dumber they get played and the more the spreadsheets call out for DDs to get buffed And I'm still loving Jutland despite its nerf, but so far I like all high tier USN and RN DDs.

A coop achievement would be nice! We used to have the Lidl Kraken (get 4 kills) also alegable for coop before it was removed again (was an Ovenchicken-related award so it got removed again after a while). And there was also this "Take that toaster!" or something award, was kinda hilarious. Imo best coop ships are high tier premium destroyers, particularly Benham.

I'm pretty sure that, if there is some oddity with the chatban system going on right now, that it is gonna get investigated. Anyway. I was reported and lost 2 karma after my very first (and thus far only) random match today which was a real oddity to me as this hasn't even happened to me for maybe a year. Or longer. There might be a chance something is broken. You wanna come to the live server and test something with me right now? nvm, apparently I've used up all of mine already That is actually pretty hilarious

I tried it on PTS yesterday and even if it's only changing the way that sectoring your AA works, I think this is a good change It's not just black or white or right and wrong. Right now the changes in tier are too vast when it comes to this. Making AA do the same damage across all tiers is obviously the other end of an extreme, but finding a middle ground is almost guaranteed to be an improvement over what we have right now. And it does come down to compressing across the tiers. The question is how much it's gonna need to be compressed at compared to how it is now. A friend of mine is grinding several carrier lines right now and he also noticed that when he is bottom tier, his planes just get vaporised. And he also plays surface ships so also experienced the situation as a bottom tiered surface combatant. Making these extremes a bit less extreme makes sense.

You mean like this?