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  1. StBg17

    PT 0.9.5 - Dockyard

    If somebody really wants to spend 35,000 Doubloons on the Odin almost 3x the cost of the Tirpitz for a ship that is mediocre at best for the sake of 5,000 Steel thats their prerogative I won't be doing that I'll Grind her for the 18 and buy the last 2 stages, I won't stop others from spending loads of money on a ship not worth 35k its their money.
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    PT 0.9.5 - Dockyard

    On PTS you get 100k Coal instead as Odin is still WiP Its not that you get 250 Steel for completing all 20 stages, its say you buy 10 stages for Dubs then complete the other 10 stages through Directives you get the ship then happen to complete the remaining 10 stages from Directives as you already have the ship instead of them left over stages being completed and doing nothing they are compensated for with 250 Steel.
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    LOL russian cruisers split coming next

    Barely. Problem is not that you can't find some ships for the new line but that there is a big problem of finding suitable ships for high tiers. And P class is definable not a suitable ship for that. Sorry, but did you just assume that Edinburgh and Sheffiels are the same because Wiki is saying that they are the same class? Do you see any difference in images above? Edinburgh subclass was longer and "heavier" then standard Town class cruiser and just because it is on T8 that doesn't automatically means that Sheffield should also needs to be T8. You don't need to grind it. Just log in into your account, go to Tech Trees, choose Britain on the left menu, click on T9 in the cruiser line and you can see it. And again you missed all point of problem. Just because Wiki is saying that Paolo Emilio should be a Capitani Romani class doesn't mean that the one we have in the game is. How about you first compare Capitani Romani class and what we have in the game as Paolo Emilio? And that is a problem, trying to fit RL ships on the tiers where they don't belong gamewise just for a sake to have a "historic accurate" line. Still no. If you don't understand why that all this "conversation" is pointless. "Barely. Problem is not that you can't find some ships for the new line but that there is a big problem of finding suitable ships for high tiers. And P class is definable not a suitable ship for that." I do agree finding suitable high tier ships is not easy, and that maybe P-class is not the best option but again it was a rough idea if you have a better choice please share. something like - No that ship doesn't work there - this ship would be a better choice other than just saying no - back-up your claim with a better ship/design for that position. "Sorry, but did you just assume that Edinburgh and Sheffiels are the same because Wiki is saying that they are the same class?" No. Just due to both Edinburgh and Sheffield being the same class doesn't mean I assume they should be the same tier - if I thought that I'd be saying oh Belfast should be T8 or oh Edinburgh should be T7. Sheffield would work at either tier - in hindsight moving Shinny Sheff down to T7 to would be a better option I agree - again this was a rough idea I threw out there and never claimed it to be prefect. "Do you see any difference in images above? Edinburgh subclass was longer and "heavier" then standard Town class cruiser and just because it is on T8 that doesn't automatically means that Sheffield should also needs to be T8." I am well aware of the differences in these to sub-classes you don't need to tell me... "You don't need to grind it. Just log in into your account, go to Tech Trees, choose Britain on the left menu, click on T9 in the cruiser line and you can see it" - I thought you were referring to playing the ship not comparing stats my bad. "And again you missed all point of problem." Do elaborate - you asked me to name a project of ship built after Nurnberg - you did not specify a tier and I named one. "Just because Wiki is saying that Paolo Emilio should be a Capitani Romani class doesn't mean that the one we have in the game is. How about you first compare Capitani Romani class and what we have in the game as Paolo Emilio?" I didn't use Wiki, if you do thats perfectly fine but I prefer to search for more reliable sources. And regardless what sources we use or if she was or wasn't the same class they were similar enough and she is being added as a high tier DD - this is something I did agree with you on earlier about Capitani Romani probably being added as a high tier DD. "And that is a problem, trying to fit RL ships on the tiers where they don't belong gamewise just for a sake to have a "historic accurate" line. " - If you had taken my full quote instead of half -"I only selected that one as I wanted an actual built ship there in truth I had for a while left T10 blank with thinking an Aussie Mino" - you would see I agreed that an Aussie Mino would be a more feasible choice & that originally I had thought of an Aussie Mino - however I didn't pick it as I wasn't sure how that idea would originally fly. "Still no. If you don't understand why that all this "conversation" is pointless." Go on then you produce a list of cruisers for a Commonwealth Cruiser Line - I never stated this was a prefect line merely throwing ideas around - I never said it had to be that and I'm always up for constructive criticism, if you have a differeing opinion or ideas tell me don't go saying no or wrong - put your ideas for improvements forward - back your claims up by drafting a better selection of ships...
  4. StBg17

    LOL russian cruisers split coming next

    HMS Battleaxe is Weapon class Destroyer. It was somewhat smaller then Battle class, slower, only 31kn, and had 2x2 4inch guns. This on the same tier where we already have Battle class destroyer, Jutland, with better and more guns, more health, somewhat faster, great concealment, heal .... well what do you think, should WG splap even more gimmicks to make this work? HMS Barfleur is Battle class same as current Jutland so having same ships at T9 and T10? I don't think so Are you kidding me? HMS Panther is P Class destroyer, one of several series or War Emergency destroyers, just like HMS Caprice btw, which is basically based on the same hull as J/K/N class but equipped with whatever weapons RN could find. This mean both of these ships would have same hull as ingame Jervis, but less and worse guns and less torps. Panther could be at T6 and Caprice, or I would rather see her sister Cavalier at T7 or T8 max but no chance that those should be T9 and T10. Sheffield is resembling more a Crown Colony class then two improved Town class cruisers, Edinburgh and Belfast. Did you even check it or just saw that both Sheffield and Edinburgh are the same class so they should be on the same tier? Sheffield should be a T7 cruiser, putting her a T8 would require getting her lot of gimmicks which would probably make her not consistent with the rest of the line. Why would we have two same ships at T9 for two different lines of teh same nation? If you take Mino, remove 60% of her main guns, 62.5% of her long range AA, all other AAA, all torps, one third of HP you will basically get a Blake/Tiger. No chance that could work on T10. And it is a CRUISER not a DD. Kleber, Haru or Khaba would pack more firepower then Blake/Tiger. No way. Just no. Well I suggest you to check current RN T9 CL in the game. You fill find it remarkable similar. Version of Minotaur was suggested to Australia and it should have 4x3 6inch guns and that is why mentioned in my post an Australian Mino for Commonwealth line then why you mentioned them At T9/T10? Sigh It is not her sister ship. It is based on Capitani Romani class. It is similar, and it was named after on the the Capitani Romani class ships that was never laid but it is not Capitani Romani class. But yes it would probably be a DD. One of the problems is it is not Pan Asian CVs line, it is Indian CV line. And Indian Navy would probably not be under Pan Asian Tree. News from the last year. There is so much wrong with this line. Just no. Gambia and Uganda are both Crown Colony Class, same as T7 Fiji. Uganda belong to Ceylon subclas which means she only have 3 turrets. Ontario is Minotaur class (not the one we have in the game) which is basically modified Crown Colony Class with just three turrets. So T8-T10 were basically copies of T7 Fiji, pushed higher, and top two, T9 and T10, even have one turret less. This won't work. https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/130407-★world-of-coldwarships☆/?do=findComment&comment=3349803 "HMS Battleaxe is Weapon class Destroyer. HMS Barfleur is Battle class" I know I even listed they were those classes you don't need to tell me something I already know... "HMS Panther is P Class destroyer, one of several series or War Emergency destroyers" So what if she is an emergency destroyer class? Its still a different class. "Sheffield is resembling more a Crown Colony class then two improved Town class cruisers" You do know she was a Town Class right? "Sheffield should be a T7 cruiser, putting her a T8 would require getting her lot of gimmicks which would probably make her not consistent with the rest of the line" Edin gets along fine with little gimmicks - considering I did say have this line with no smoke but HE. "Why would we have two same ships at T9 for two different lines of teh same nation?" I don't know - I did say these were just rough ideas I never claimed to have created an out-line for the ships I just slapped some in as examples. "If you take Mino, remove 60% of her main guns, 62.5% of her long range AA, all other AAA, all torps, one third of HP you will basically get a Blake/Tiger. No chance that could work on T10. And it is a CRUISER not a DD. Kleber, Haru or Khaba would pack more firepower then Blake/Tiger. No way. Just no." Ok fair points - I just want Blake in game its a ship I like. Again I also never said a second CL line was feasible nor should it be added but its an interesting thought. "Well I suggest you to check current RN T9 CL in the game. You fill find it remarkable similar. Version of Minotaur was suggested to Australia and it should have 4x3 6inch guns and that is why mentioned in my post an Australian Mino for Commonwealth line " - Would love to once I've grinded it. Didn't know of the version of Mino with 4x3 was suggested to Australia - do you have any links to this info I'd very much like to look at it and any related proposals. "then why you mentioned them" - Rough ideas in-case someone had any idea plus I was planning on looking into their respected Light Cruisers in more depth at some point. again I never claimed to have constructed an out-line for them - again it was also 2:30 am when I wrote this I was shattered. "At T9/T10? Sigh" I never gave a Tier for them nor did you state T9 or T10 for a German CL - you said "Name one German CL built after Nurnberg? Or at least some project beside what we should get in game as Mainz (Hipper with 150mm guns)" which is any tier from 7-10, I was thinking for M-class T6/7 "It is not her sister ship. It is based on Capitani Romani class. It is similar, and it was named after on the the Capitani Romani class ships that was never laid but it is not Capitani Romani class. But yes it would probably be a DD." - look up the class the Paolo Emilio is listed as a member of said class. "One of the problems is it is not Pan Asian CVs line, it is Indian CV line. And Indian Navy would probably not be under Pan Asian Tree. News from the last year." - I was un-aware of this announcement, I suspected It would be under the Pan-Asian line as it is a Pan-Asian country, it would most likely end up in the Commonwealth tree as India is a Commonwealth Member State regardless of if they were sold to India when they were a Member State or not, unless they create an Indian Tech Tree. "There is so much wrong with this line. Just no. Gambia and Uganda are both Crown Colony Class, same as T7 Fiji. Uganda belong to Ceylon subclas which means she only have 3 turrets. Ontario is Minotaur class (not the one we have in the game) which is basically modified Crown Colony Class with just three turrets. So T8-T10 were basically copies of T7 Fiji, pushed higher, and top two, T9 and T10, even have one turret less. This won't work." - The T7-9 UK CLs are all very similar they were all improvements on the last IIRC with a similar set-up, but I see your point with the 10 only having 3 turrets but its still 9 guns only 1 less than Mino - I only selected that one as I wanted an actual built ship there in truth I had for a while left T10 blank with thinking an Aussie Mino. That said it does seem more logical to have Uganda and Gambia switch so Uganda a T8 & Gambia T9 Maybe something more along these lines: Tech Tree Premium T1 HMAS Swan (U74)  T2 HMNZS Philomel T3 HMAS Brisbane T4 HMAS Adelaide T5 HMCS Aurora (1913) T6 HMNZS Achilles T7 HMNZS Bellona  HMCS Ontario (or T8) T8 HMCS Uganda T9 HMNZS Gambia T10 Aussie Mino perhaps named HMAS Hobart Must admit I was wrong to assume they would be made up as there clearly is designs. Also had a search through the forums found this contains even more designs - https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/1647-list-of-soviet-cvs-projects/ If every single ship that had radar that is in game had it as a consumable you would be looking at loads and loads of radar: HMS Queen Elizabeth HMS Warspite HMS KGV HMS DoY HMS Nelson HMS Hood HMS Vanguard HMS Exeter HMS Fiji HMS Edinburgh HMS Devonshire HMS London USS North Carolina USS Massachusetts USS Alabama USS Iowa Just to name a few some players are already hoping Mighty Mo is the only BB to get radar, something tells me they wouldn't be too pleased if suddenly almost every ship in game got it.
  5. StBg17

    LOL russian cruisers split coming next

    One, two are highly unlikely Maybe one, two highly unlikely. You don't even have proper T9/T10 for one, second line would only be made by fantasy ship. And don't count all those War Emergency Classes which should count only as one class as they were all, more or less, the same. From what ships, what would be T8-T10 ships? And please don't say HMS Tiger. Maybe WG can made up something. Name one Japanese cruiser, or at least project that could fit at T9 or T10 Name one German CL built after Nurnberg? Or at least some project beside what we should get in game as Mainz (Hipper with 150mm guns) What real ships? Are you suggesting complete line of Type 1936 destroyers Name one Italian CL class after Condottieri class that could fill higher tiers or at least some project. Keep in mind that Capitani Romani will probably be a high tier DD. Please no. Still lacking high tier ships, especially T8 and T9. T10 could be Australian version of Mino What you and a lot of others are forgetting is that you can say whatever you want about Soviet Navy it still have more proper projects to fill high tiers, T8-T10. Krony, SG, Moskva, Nevsky, Smolensk, Kremlin are all based on quite developed projects (problem with those ships is the way WG balance them), while at the same time WG need to made up German and Japanese T10 ships, base RN T10 CA on very loosely defined study, not sure if French T10 CA is made up or loosely based on some concept but T10 BB is made up, just like Italian T10 CA, and Japanese T10 gunboat DD... I don't like another Soviet sub-branch, I would rather have something else. I don't mind them tho, as Soviet cruisers are quite good line and I love Budy, Shchors, Chapa and Donskoi as those are great ships so getting more of them it is nice. They are also quite good looking ships, way better then new T9 or T10 RN CAs, so that is bonus too. And Soviet CV is quite realistic as again they a have enough well developed project which more to say then you can for number of lines you are suggesting. Hey I never said that 2 additions lines for some nations was likely nor did I say practical, nor that they would have to comprise separate classes for each tier but merely outline with so many ships they could fill 2 additional tech tree splits, and I did say you would have to account some tiers as paper ships. My meaning was that the US/UK had enough ships that it would be possible to fill 2 additional lines, not that that is what should happen. As for "You don't even have proper T9/T10 for one, second line would only be made by fantasy ship" for UK DD split: Split 1 - Line 2: T9 - HMS Battleaxe (D118) - Weapon Class - Commissioned 1947 T10 - HMS Barfleur (D80) - Battle class - commissioned 1944 Split 2 - Line 3: T9 - Panther (G41) - P-class - commissioned 1941 T10 - Caprice (R01) - C-class - Commissioned 1944 UK high tier CLs 2nd Line: T8 - HMS Sheffield - yes i know Town Class I never said they would be of different classes, and the T6&7 UK CAs are the same class so I see no problems with another Town class at T8 with a different set-up/play-style T9 - HMS Centurion - yes i know same class as Neptune but again with a different set-up/play-style T10 - HMS Blake Tiger Class, 2 twin guns have worked for other ships with that rate of fire - looking at you Friesland... Or based of a quick search there is a planned design class of cruisers with 12 6 inch guns (same as on Mino (QF 6-inch Mark N5 gun) but in 4 triple turrets instead of double. Here is the class - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune-class_cruiser - be aware its Wiki so don't take it completely as truth, or one of the designs from this - https://erenow.net/ww/rebuilding-royal-navy-warship-design-since-1945/3.php - Design ‘Y’ seems to be closest to the the one described on Wiki. Another place this design is referenced - https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=g-c1qwcrsYkC&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=design+N2+cruiser&source=bl&ots=Bcfqf7GDsx&sig=ACfU3U3ptjyFRsM34JzxDHmdro9l6MQW9w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjf5bLJxsPnAhVRRxUIHQL4C0oQ6AEwDnoECA4QAQ#v=onepage&q=design N2 cruiser&f=false and again here - https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=PyDOAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=design+N2+cruiser&source=bl&ots=cX6Vp2FBsa&sig=ACfU3U3q0uOkA6v859mc3b9dsTQdFdUMJw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjf5bLJxsPnAhVRRxUIHQL4C0oQ6AEwD3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=design N2 cruiser&f=false - the ship that is shown as Design ‘ZA’ in these sources is that of which Mino is in-game. Japanese/German/Italian CL line someone will have ideas about - I never said I knew what ships to fill these with just some ideas of maybe possible line splits. But German M-class cruiser - 4 twin 150mm guns similar to Mainz but different. Then there is Spähkreuzer 1938 as a Recon Cruiser (in-game CL) or more likely added as a DD. As for you saying Capitani Romani will probably be a high tier DD, well her sister Paolo Emilio is being added as just that. As for your response to Pan-Asian CVs - I know more carriers are not wanted, I don't want them anymore than anyone else does but I was just outlining the nations that do have the possibility of having them, but I completely agree please no. Commonwealth CLs: T1 HMAS Swan (U74) T2 HMNZS Philomel T3 HMAS Brisbane T4 HMAS Adelaide T5 HMCS Aurora (1913) T6 HMNZS Achilles T7 HMNZS Bellona T8 HMNZS Gambia T9 HMCS Uganda T10 HMCS Ontario - I at first did think why not a Mino copy in this line I like the Soviet cruisers too but I prefer something else that were more real than them for a change like Italian BBs. I completely agree the new UK T9 and T10 CAs look off the bridge just looks out of place. "And Soviet CV is quite realistic as again they a have enough well developed project" Show me 4 suitable Soviet CVs I'am yet to see any designs from that era. And sorry that some seem far fetched or un-logical it was past 2 AM when I wrote them I was tired, I see your points and some do make sense like Italian and Japanese CL lines there are less light cruiser in those navies than what I originally thought.
  6. StBg17

    LOL russian cruisers split coming next

    Because the player base really wants another made up probably broken Soviet set of ships instead of say Italian Battleships, Italian Destroyers, Commonwealth Cruisers, Commonwealth Destroyers... In fact Some here are some other lines that could be added or split: - American Battleship Split - American Aircraft Carrier Split (using removed odd tier carriers) - could actually be split into an additional 2 lines for a total of 3 (consisting of real and built ships) - American Destroyer Split - could actually be split into an additional 2 lines for a total of 3 (consisting of real and built ships) - British Battleship Split - could actually be split into an additional 2 lines for a total of 3 (consisting largely of real and built ships) - British Destroyer split - could actually be split into an additional 2 lines for a total of 3 (consisting of real and built ships) - British Aircraft Carrier Split - could actually be split into an additional 2 lines for a total of 3 (consisting of real and built ships) - British Battlecruiser Line - British Cruisers could split into a second Light Cruiser Line (consisting of real and built ships) - for a total of 2 CL lines & 1 CA, second CL line could be similar to UK CAs no smoke but HE shells. - Japanese Light Cruiser split - Japanese Aircraft Carrier Split (using removed odd tier carriers) - even the Japanese could have 3 CV lines (going off the lines splitting at T6 & T8) - Maybe rework the German Cruiser line so the main line is Light Cruisers splitting into a Heavy Cruiser Line (still largely consisting of real and built ships) - German Destroyer Split (still largely consisting of real and built ships) - German Battlecruiser Line - French Destroyer Split - French Aircraft Carrier Line (yes its possible, Béarn T4 -Converted Normadie class hull, La Fayette T6 - Independence Class, Joffre-class aircraft carrier T8, Arromanches T10 - ex-HMS Colossus) (only one is a design that wasn't built) - Italian Battleship line - Italian Cruiser Split - Italian Destroyer Line - Italian Aircraft Carrier Line (not sure if possible, will most likely have to include designs but Sparviero could be T4 and Aquila T10) - Pan-Asian Aircraft Carrier Line (would require paper/made up ships but INS Vikrant (R11) ex-HMS Hercules T8 and INS Viraat (R22) ex-HMS Hermes (R12) T10) - Commonwealth Light Cruiser Line - Commonwealth Destroyer Line - Commonwealth Aircraft Carrier Line - Pan-EU Cruiser Line All these lines that could be added, split or tweaked slightly and we are getting even more made up fantasy ships, I won't be surprised if the next line announced is the completely not made up completely real Soviet Aircraft Carriers Line.
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    0.9.1 PTS - General Feedback

    UI looks much much crisper which I like, however I have noticed the ships do seem to look fatter than before or are my eyes playing tricks on me? Edit: some reason my aspect ratio was changed without me doing so.
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    Battlecruiser Line Proposals

    Could throw HMS Anson in (one of the names originally going to be used for an Admiral, she also apparently was going to look slightly different to Hood) Hood would stay as a BB, they don't change release premiums, also she essentially was a BB upon entering service. None taken, everyone has their own preferences I personally like the look its unique. Most defiantly Warspite shell performance and equal sigma - after all both have equally as impressive service records and both had equal gun performance both scoring quite long range hits IIRC. Renown's speed would be almost 10 knots faster as her historical speed was 32.58 knots fastest capital ship in the navy a title she still held after the wars end. Repulse had a speed of 32 knots, so would be same as Hood, however she would have a better turning circle being around 60 or so feet shorter than Hood. Renown would go ever so slightly fasted as her top speed was 32.58 knots fastest capital ship in the navy a title that she still held after the was ended.
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    Battlecruiser Line Proposals

    Completely forgot Goeben served in Turkish Navy think she was decommissioned in the 70s. Shame about them saying no BC line spoils the fun, can you link to where they said this if possible? :)
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    Battlecruiser Line Proposals

    Sounds like an interesting thing for a game mode. I want a ships like the QE's added in their original config. E.G Malaya
  11. StBg17

    Battlecruiser Line Proposals

    Ok when you put it that way, I get what your saying. :)
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    Battlecruiser Line Proposals

    As long as its permanent camo is it as a tree.
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    Battlecruiser Line Proposals

    Now *there's* a ship name that deserves the Black Friday 'gimp' treatment...! Haha, what about this name for a ship - HMS Paddlin - Premium British Battlecruiser - Bundle contains: -HMS Paddlin -Port Slot -Unique Gnome Overlord flag -Unique Salt Mines Permanent Camouflage -Jingles Laugh horn when SaltMines Permanent Camouflage is mounted. -A Commander Jingles with 10 Skill Points. @AdmiralHipst3r
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    Battlecruiser Line Proposals

    Queen Mary 8 13.5 inch guns centre-line mounted only 2 less than Iron Duke, same calibre & also centre line mounted. Seydlitz 10 11 inch guns, König 10 12 inch guns with a similar arrangement I'd say both are ok at T5, QM is on par in gun size with her Battleship equivalent yes she has 2 guns less but she is a BC after all, Seydlitz had a similar turret arrangement to her Battleship equivalent and they are only slightly smaller. :)
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    Battlecruiser Line Proposals

    Most defiantly and both fit as T5.
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