Butterdoll

I liked very much little trouble, a way to face a t9 bb in my gneisenau. a way to familiarized myself against that ship until my gneisenau it's ready for random.

Or better yet. destroy X specific ships in a random or ranked battle, like it used to be. If that's the truth . (people go there to harvest requirements). There was so much whining about having so much potatoes in random/ranked battles , perhaps WG included ops and even co-op in the missions requirements to try to fix the issue for the babytatoes. there have always been potatoes all over the modes. But now, perhaps, the ops were changed because they are part of missions requirements. PVE was always all about, relaxing, having fun, doing things that you normally wouldn't do in another mode, and having an alternative to the PVP, a well deserved break. Not having a challenge and what not. PVP it's all about the late, in random/Ranked/CB/KS and all those modes are all about, sweating and whatnot,but not PVE. PVE was good as it was. potatoes now and potatoes then, they are all the same, but clueless people just to farm x ships, no please. Some seems like toddlers wondering of.

I'm all for the relaxing/kicked back party. thank you very much. I enjoyed your video very much, and i'll try to do your path next time this ops is up. I usually go to the other side of the map.

I am with this feeling that not just Ultimate frontier got changed. I'm playing this operation since it started (this week) with only one ship, (training it's captain and probably saying goodbye to a ship). Now I am having trouble doing this... (post 16) This mission was?, is ? One of the two where I got more citadels per game (26 or 27 ) and doing around 20 often, but now, I just can't manage to go to that number. Let alone over it. Besides of getting more focus at C5 from an occasional set of incoming bb shells, now I have to take at account 3 or 4 that can ruin the last leg at B4, and thus farming some more citadels. Now, for some games I have to go to A3 not only to catch the cv when needed but to spread the chaos between the bots and in the process drawing some of their fire to me instead. A3 or B4 I have my boat at 50% of HP at best sometimes at very low HP. while in the past I could brawl the Kuma, Aoba to kingdom come, sink the cv (when needed) and have enough HP to turn to the bbs and feast a lot or a little bit At first I thought that was me, not being fresh and tired from work, but today I got a good night sleep. So... the player is the same, as the player base. the ship it's one of the usual, and I did out performed me in this ship when compared from this past week to today, so the same ship. I was fresh today. I did the same things as I did in the past raptors ops. ...pretty much the same. Is just me or anybody else are finding this thing harder?

Again, what are you talking about? The ship you are describing it's from the US Line, t7, you know? the USS Floating Turd. Listen, Buddy it's the T6 big boss, very fun ship to play, it can do many things. give it time, it will certainly grow on you. It's like an armoured nurberg...in reverse . and faster. It's more than a long distance HE spammer, it's also a dd hunter, a CA and a CL hunter. It's a very comfortable ship to play against t8. Perhaps the most of all t6s. Ok, have a long turning circle and weak AA but that's it. I recently played the Moskva (the space thing). Buddy it's like a petite Moskva with torps. Yes, you can leave your mark on a buddy but he will sink you. At this moment Buddy it's my second best brawler, and it's not one of my boys, it's my boy. Ok, you like German, you have Roon, but that it's a t9 with what? at least 27mm? Buddy it's a t6.

well, today was not a bad day, I can't complain about the team mates I got. The normal usual. the fun thing is... I don't think this ops was changed like the others were. My last game award me with a will to win thing, thou. Ultimate frontier- t1000 bots Killer whale- I didn't notice any thing unusual Raptor rescue- t1000 bots Maybe they are retrieving samples, numbers, data and all of that math stuff. I had a couple of teams that rushed the second wave, and in one of them I stood alone in the end, a 3 stars win, ufff. by the way. a special thanks to NothingButTheRain and his clan mates, they literally saved me from the raptor ops... I was hitting a wall in the last day of that op.

thank you I got a lot of damage that wouldn't get in the past against cruisers and after I make the bbs blow the repair party and manage to set perma fires on them, they didn't last for long.

the Turd will not be one of them. That's for sure. There's a lot of cruisers capable of that. But I'm very sceptical about Cleveland going to t8. We are going to lose an apex t6 ship to gain a mediocre ship at t8, turned into another and bigger, clumsiest Atlanta. In exchange of a crippled Turd, not even warm. Since after Hermes I'm playing exclusively Cleveland.... saying goodbye to a ship. (the last time I checked the "news", weren't very cheerful). There are 10 tiers, and they had to mess with t6.

My team just melted in this on what a waste of 1º win of the day bonus. I'm so frustrated because I needed it that bonus. we won with two stars by the skin of our teeth. Will to win awarded but I need so much the XP points to my 14º point...

Nah, you are confusing Buddy with Shchors. Angle your buddy, it will work until the point the shells trajectories turns flatter. CE+ premium camo=11.2 kms

But I was... almost all the time. because of some factors, like. old bots. not being alone. etc. Do you remember me saying in another topic the bot I feared the most in Raptor rescue was Piss? Because I always knew if I had to sink the cv I most certainly would end up dead, and sometimes I simply couldn't handle the overall damage and be sunk by one of the bbs, Many times by Piss. scraping that last kuma and Aoba (that I was able to guarantee, not anymore), I think it's precious to the team, not only it's two ships less but also no torps on the water. ( the cv will focus the guy that is up there). In the past, at c5, again Kuma/Aoba, scrapping those was and is Lowering the possibility of the convoy being torped, and if you manage to at least occupy the dds, well, more to you. either wise they would fall on top of the convoy. But neither B4 or C5 you are alone, I think, you have your team mates pumping hot lead also. A3, if the bots go south you simply don't have enough range. tldr- It's bad because now you simply can't make sure of wining with ,at least, 4 stars. Now it's defeats, again.

if this it's for me I can answer, no. At least not as hard as the every ops are too easy guys. I'm just surprised that WG did the experience thing with all the ops, I thought that was only with ultimate frontier. And apparently was a fiasco . As I said in the other topic, when I play co-op or ops I don't seek challenge, I want a relaxing time and a quick way to gain oil and Xp. I'm tired and I want some quick gratification (like brawling and so on). well, 19 point captains, IFHE and DE bots it's way more than I have got. (In fact IFHE it's what I'm trying to get with the ship I talked about). exaggerated accuracy, also. Co-op and ops have many upsides. One of them being a great training room. That happen to me also in the last weekend, 15 battles, 9 defeats. 9x0 stars. that it's unheard of in ops, came on, people. whining? give me a break (not you Starbuck) But in the past we had those too and wasn't impossible to have a field day. We had weekend and stuff also, and the thing usually didn't change much. Now it's a completely different story. If it's not me, it's another guy(s) of the seven. I was fine doing what I usually did (C5- B4) supporting the team, killing the Aoba and Kuma and sometimes a dd or two, then the last set Aoba/Kuma the cv and the bbs, right in their backyard, if I didn't got them all, I was able to sink some of them and make heavy damage to the rest, as well, providing cross fire for the team, drawing some of their fire from the convoy to me and be a safety net to the team regarding the second cv. without fancy signals or other fancy stuff. Just my ship, a 10 point captain, me and my team. Now when and if I reach B4, I'm hardly battle effective , I can't take on 4 ships at once anymore (98% of the times that Kuma/Aoba were two guaranteed kills in the first minute or so after B4) I have to retreat to A3 now, and that it's not as effective to say the least. Now I need help to continue to make this approach (C5-B4) and division up or not the problem is we (the team) just don't have any ships left to spare, specially with early loses. The problem starts at that god forsaken island where Raptor is, always were, all or almost all the players go hide there, instead of creating a defensive perimeter they all go hide. But this problem wasn't as big as is now. I never used the repair zone before. C5-B4 it's all about timing, dodging (there you will eat some damage), citadeling (everything else it's a fail) and timing again to stop to be detected before the bbs can take a shot at, and wait for the last Aoba/Kuma make the left turn at that island to be broadsiding with me, two/three salvos each were enough to sink them. Now I still can't go to that repair zone, if I get there my timing will be off, if I do C5-B4 I just don't have enough HP left. So, scrap the t1000's and reinstate the t-100's

I thought that (bot change) was only for the ultimate frontier ops In Killer whale I didn't noticed any difference from what it's the usual, but this... it's just too much. For what I'm concerned I think this it's turning into a thing. i'll be more interested in the future how this all thing will be developed. well... 15 ops. 9 defeats, 0 stars. 6 wins, 1 five stars, 2 four stars, 1 three stars, 2 two stars. a far cry from it used to be.

what about, Belfasts and flints? there are some videos about it, I think they call them cancer divs.

I said also tanky. It was my initial goal, reaching Mogami Let's see in the future, I kinda lost my steam for now. And I've got the Shchors for the moment.

I have the turn the turret faster module, so 14.7s. You know? you have to be stuck with a slower ROF or having a slower turret transverse speed. Either way, no cigar wg usual crap. Yeah, IJN line had to be different, in the wrong way. And I have to agree with you. they are strait and true just too damned slowwwww. If only...

there are the same reload time Myoko 14.7s furutaka 15s One of the turrets have very bad angles you need to be almost full broadside to fire "in all cylinders", furutaka could be more streamlined weapons wise but have good armour, good torp angles. with furutaka you don't fall in temptation as you do with Myoko, and it's also tanky. I'm not saying Myoko it's bad, I can see why it is called a beast and a fire starting but it's just not for me. I feel, how should I put this... In Myoko you feel more the short comings caused by WG sabotage than in furutaka, also sabotaged. you know what I mean? both ships with decent torp angles, decent ROF and decent turret transverse speed could be epic. for me the IJN cruisers stops at furutaka. And it's a pity, I liked Tenryo a lot, somewhat awkward. Kuma, it's just a love letter from WG to the players base (I still love that ship to bits) Furutaka, oh man, I love it. it's fun. Then was the turn of Aoba...

Well, IMO, Myoko has big flaws. Low ROF, lack of super firing turrets, awful torp angles. My original intend was reaching 155 Mogami, but Myoko, after Aoba, was the last straw for me. I dropped that line. The last IJN ship I enjoyed was furutaka, the only thing lacking it's the range but all the rest I find it pretty good. Fiji I don't have it (the only line I don't have) could be tankier, but judging by it's predecessors it's not saying much. Shchors it's a fun ship, amazing guns, and in the recent ultimate frontier hard mode experience was my go to cruiser, but overall budyonni it's a better ship. Pensa it's just a turd, with the recent incoming changes... (I don't even want to think about that, now) I like very much Nurnberg but let just say that the jury is still out in that one.

my last post I was referring to the topic itself. If it's true that they are no cruisers in ranked or they starting to disappear from there, that it's pathetic. Not only from you but often chapa (and other ships) can be summed up into a word... radar. And by the way the things are going, people while in cruisers tend to go in those ships...that otherwise, perhaps, may not get played that often According to this topic people are leaving cruisers and going to BBs and DDs. (don't worry I will not buy a bb or a dd). That's not news. not in co-op, not in Operations, not in random and from what I read often certainly not in ranked. I'm finally reaching t8 (let's see what it have to my likings) in all my active cruisers lines, I will have them all at once. I'm almost there, it's not for this one for sure, maybe the next, or the next after that, I don't now yet. I play for fun, that's a truth for co-op, random and Operations. And let me tell you, from what I've seen so far I'm not that impressed with t8 players and up. The same goes for ranked players. (not all but a fair share). So, tell me... what do I differ from all the rest?

So what? That's not a reason to not play cruisers, at all. to not play what gives you pleasure to play and choosing other ship instead.

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Nah, ranked must be another kind of co-op, a fancy co-op. . seriously now. probably people have chosen bbs , don't have faith in cruisers and went for dds. It's an arms race (radar and stuff). And past t6 I'm having trouble to see the appeal of cruisers, too. I am in the process of streamline my cruisers line. I already started my selection. but with a couple of exceptions (literally 2, in t7 and in the future, t8) all I've got are cruisers. So, yeah. I'm sure about that post. Shock in t8, nah I already seeing what's going on, hard time most probably. I'm putting a lot of faith in a cruiser that I'm chasing, let's see. And maybe this (the topic issue) will give a push to the cruisers, I don't know. either way I still think cruisers are the better class, so...

I'm almost there, don't despair yet.

yeap, you are. Do you want another ultimate frontier fiasco? sometimes, the half of operation ships thing, it's way too complicated or they "chase the rabbit" instead of paying attention to their own position and the time we have left or they simply don't care. yesterday, I had to beg two bbs to get sunk because they were in the North near A8/9 while the exit point was in F1. there was a Cleveland and a cv trying to enter F1 with bot reinforcements closing in, our only ship in there (an Aoba was sunk). it was a photo finish battle. We almost lost. In another battle we had 3 ships left, exit point at A8/9, the fastest ship we had (an Aigle) was near F1 inside the harbour while our only ship inside the green circle (low Hp Graff) was sunk, the second ship ( a new mexico) never got to enter there, wasn't enough time. we just lost that one with the NM just outside the green. 2 examples out of 6. And you want what? At least four ships? ahahahahahahahahahahah. Nice one.

you are joking, right?