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won Gorizia, played one game, did 22k with AP ( hit a citadel for 10 k), SAP didn't do jack crap and got blapped. I'm done with that line. Turd. v2. Never was my cup of tea, the lack of HE and the fact there is too many "Emeralds" in that line to free XP. Not worth it

Looking in retrospective Omaha still remains good, Cleveland was a very good ship, then was time for the Turd that was a ice age in the US tech tree. N.O. was okish, (Us split) Baltimore, i'm having fun. :)

How I disagree with you in this one. Baltimore it's a awesome ship. Up until now I only liked CLs, but now not only is my first and only CA that I truly like but, also, will join Budyonny, Shchors, Bayern, Nurnberg in my go to ships selection. I already unlocked Buffalo but I didn't bought it yet. If i'm not mistaken, it's captain will be my next 19 point captain. DM will have to wait. I'm going for a mix tank/AA build too, I'm finding very useful most of the times. cvs tend to leave me alone and the dds/whatever ship I support.And when they came for me I'm able to mess up their drops, most of the times No torps, no BS, just guns, good hard hitting guns with a decent reload, more tanky than hipper, it can sustain more damage/it's more resilient to damage than hipper

a pretty bold statement. I don't have the ship. But there's a fierce competition for worst ship in the game. Pensacola T2 IJN BB Gorizia, and that's only to name a few. But I got to admit, the TURD (Pensacola) seems like a Baltimore when compared to Gorizia

And I agree with you . But normally, Thunderers are usually crappy ships, armour wise, with "nerfed" guns, that nerf come from players or are the players. and what I said (about not having any respect for that ship will , most probably, will bite me in the [edited]when I encounter a decent player. Personally it's not a ship for me. Soft target, I don't value the small dispersion values. sometimes the dispersion is the difference between hitting the target or not hitting at all. Is it strong? I believe that can be. But it's strengths can be it's weakness, again, depending on the player. Germans BBs and Russians BBs aside, I was well impressed with Alabama (I tried a couple of weeks ago, renting premium thing) it can hurt what it hits. so NC from what I heard Even Conqueror seems more interesting than Thunderer, JB it's awesome, Georgia, Massa. I think they are better ships than Thunderer because they are not so demanding in Skill as the thunderer, which isn't for everyone, IMHO

Lately the type of ship counts.

Thunderer sniping abilities is highly tied up with the player ability. I still remember the last time I encounter a Thunderer with my Chapayev, I almost sink it, the guy couldn't hit nothing I traded much better than him, free damage. I didn't encounter no one until now worth mentioning, most probably by chance/accident But I don't have any respect whatsoever for that garbage BB. (ok , garbage maybe a strong word, reserved to IJN BBs) I really don't see the appeal of Thunderer. They say it's good but all I saw up until now, it's a huge meh

right. what actually happens, most of the times, you are kitting all the way from your flank to the opposite flank in time to face the second red flank, non of the caps are green, half of your team is sunk and the game is near the end more or less in half of the running time of a normal game. @GarrusBrutus I can't disagree with you on that one.

You know what? That's BS.

That a huge BS. What one or two ships can do vs an entire flank? I used to think that but know I just kite away joining the lemming train waiting for the defeat. For me. About players that don't have clans...I don't know, the last one I remember ended the battle, first place with + 3k base XP. Players shooting right at the start of the game and keep shooting for a while. players in smokeless DDs.

No... The team with most smokeless dds loses, and loses big.

I don't know about that. they usually die quickly, they usually don't spot very well mainly because of lack of smoke , I think. Overall they are in disadvantage vs other dds , there are better torp boats than them, they are better gun boats than them, while Swedish DDs are kinda middle of the road dds without a smoke. They might be strong or awesome but not with the average player at the helm. And to tell you the truth I don't know who gets the worse bit of it. the overextended cruiser or the Swedish dd when it's spotted, both near the cap. I had games in the last 3 days where the reds have all 3 caps and picking on my team one by one. games with 1 or 2 DDs per side. All or half of them smokeless. there are days where I can't even do the first win. At least, having 4 or 5 dds per side it's better, there's a safety in redundancy, we just have to take it easy in the early stages in the battle.

And I did, a full 20 seconds more than the movie.

I was like @Verblonde, playing other games…. Playing gone in 80 seconds.

Yeah, you (you as in dd players, you) need to be seen , you need to create fear , you need to destroy the morale of the enemy. Don't let the cruiser players take your places. yeah, you need recognition. p.s. Don't forget your smoke

Why go so far if you can shoot Nazis here. There's an entire line of them. p.s- I don't know where the battle button is in WOT

No it's not. Too few of them today. I played 3 games with 2, 1 and the last one without any. too many smokeless DDs, I'm getting tired of the Swedish dds. games sucks. I don't know where the dds mains are or where the proper dds went. But we need more of the latest.

wait...what? Man are you tripping? 1 - Smoke works both ways, you don't see what in the smoke and dds don't see what's outside the smoke. 2- there's only two ways a smoke up dd can spot 2.1 - a team mate spot for them 2.2 - dd comes out of the smoke. 3 - how you know if the dd it's out of the smoke? you get detected. Smoke it's great because... it can tell you where a dd is . if you see smoke ahead and you are not detected as long as you don't shoot, you can creep closer to that dd. I advice you to take a look how the smoke mechanics works because there are ways to take advantage. like... You are in a BB, your base concealment it's...let's say 14 km, your concealment after you shoot it's...18 km (every time you shoot your concealment it's equal to max range of your main guns for 20 seconds, after that your concealment drops again to 14 km, your fire in smoke penalty it's... let's say it's 10 km. The proxy spot is around 3 kms, acquired detection is around 3 km. that means if a friendly DD smokes up your BB and if you don't shoot your main guns and let the secondaries do the job you won't be detected while you are taking apart your target.

here's a suggestion for Swedish DDs Get smoke FFS

Not all the times, there are times that AA is useful. Long gone are the days where we could shoot down + 40 planes in a match with a Gneisenau or a ship good at AA with no specific AA build. I'm running some tests, I'm experiment with AA, i'm in my way for a full AA build in one of my ships. I don't have too many data yet . 81 battles 218 planes shoot down, that's an average of 2.69 , so far, the most I did with a 9 point captain was 16 planes, doesn't seems too much, looking this way. (although I get the feeling that I can shoot down much more than 16 planes if I get fed with planes with the ship plus captain as is) We all know that WG wants to guarantee always a drop on ships.... but not all cv players are good. There's more bad players than good players and in this context the AA is still useful. What I did noticed so far : - Sometimes, the build (captain+ ship) can shoot down up to 6 planes in a single go (neutralizing the wave) - Due to that Nation particular gameplay (American), that can put the ship in a very fragile position for the planes to take advantage of, so, AA it's very handy to mess up the cv drop. - cv still prefers to go for other ships and avoid mine if he has the change. - I can project my AA protection to other ships too, in some extent, if the other ship is close by. Or he pays more than he is expecting or he avoids and goes for other target That, ofc, while relying heavily in the cv player skills, that's not a guarantee like it used to be. But from I saw so far, I'm going full AA. anyone experimented with Dogfigth expert?

@AndyCx No. it's not just you. This, days Don't be too much caught on Meta, I think there's an overlapping of metas , if you are chasing after that you are not taking yourself seriously, you are not having fun, and your post it's the prove of that. Fall back to what you like, improve what you like, it will never fail you. Let me give you an example Last t6 sprint in Bayern (old build, secondary oriented) + Nurnberg, both of them were outside the Meta for that sprint, I had fun reaching R1. Last t7 sprint Gneisenau + Shchors both of them were outside the Meta for that sprint, I had fun reaching R1.

Sorry, who?

I never was chat banned I don't use much the chat and it's very rare to lose it, but sometimes... Defend base you morons, keep two flanks you morons, fmoron(s)

t6 Budyonny , Nurnberg, Bayern with Perma camo + economic flags t7 Shchors, Gneisenau with Perma camo + economic flags t8 Baltimore, Bismarck with economic flags and camo

Uff. so, Moskva still is a t10. not was a t10. @gopher31 Nice camo, where/how did you get it?