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Ufff. that's a relief. I can say now that the only ship i had any interest has already come out, and for doubloons. (Mainz) I'm only waiting for this all subs thing will end, to see if i spend money or not at all.

You know that with depth the threat becomes bigger, a near miss or something near can crush a sub like a beer can. don't you? Pressure difference alone can be fatal down there. Like the wolf packs in the Atlantic, and yeah, you are right, enface in withering supply lines. Not taking part in major battles. It's why i spoke of a mode for them or a ops. It's hard to git gud if the opportunity window to actually manage to hit a sub is that small and very sparse You are not the first person to say that, and how you are wrong, they will change nothing in that regard, not the cvs nor Asashio changed that. all they will achieve is to turn dds in a rare unicorn. And if and when the team needs a dd to recover a cap or to contest a cap, the sub won't cut it because they are too slow, it's like my farragut game, those two subs completely useless they were too slow to enter either cap, the hatsuaru knew that, all he had to do was running away like he did and even if i had concealment, RPF would not changed a thing. As many other ships and classes of ships Who, me? Soon. Do you know who this guy is? Is the Restelo's old man. He's saying Why sending ships so far away (to Africa and to India) if we have enemies (Muslims and Spain) so close to our Homeland. And guess what? We discovered the maritime path to India, we colonized India, Africa, we discovered Brazil, we went to Japan (Nagasaki was a center of Portuguese colonialism) Timor and so on. And despite all of that we lost our independence in 1580 our fleet was used by the Spanish to attack England with the invincible armada. only in 1640 we regain our independence to never lose it again. Nah https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mallard+locomotive+speed+record&&view=detail&mid=F2867F0A6018A9F79709F2867F0A6018A9F79709&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dmallard%2Blocomotive%2Bspeed%2Brecord%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

@Sunleader Well, i did some more battles in this mode, i did my part, i gave them data, no need to put subs in random And yes, DDs are the best for the job. 1 - farragut (with no concealment or camo) 2 - Nurnberg 3 - Budyonny 4 - Budyonny 6 - Bayern Nothing changed ( of my Newport defence analogy) I think one could be the safest in BBs but that can be very situational. No sub went for me , the cv (human player)focused on me and that was it, the beginning of the end Cruiser will be very hard in Random, dd as well because what one can make within this mode most probably will be unrealistic in random. No, the mode has no flaws, apart from one, subs. Instead of maintaining that mode or do a special ops with convoys and escort convoys, subs have no place in random. I'm not talking about the silly situations that happens within that mode, it's the start, everyone is learning the ropes If today there are so few dds in games or not at all, with the subs will be none ,being perma spotted and having to sink that sub will be suicide, especially with a cv in the game. the fleet having to wait for the subs battle to be finished to be able to see it's also stupid. (that will happen) One of the major reasons for the cv rework, wg wanted for all player "to be in the same page", to be in the same plain, so they ended with the RTS part and now the go underwater. In one hand they stop with the invulnerability of that slingshot crap but in the other hand subs need the 6 m invulnerability crap. If subs need all this things only to be viable, then they are a dud . You can't shoot them, you can't depth charge them, you can't do nothing to them. And yet they can't and they wont replace DDs because they are slow, cumbersome, fragile and lack offensive/defensive weapons, choices DDs are much better, they have smoke or TRB they can shoot AP or HE they have torps or deep water torps, they can have good guns, they are fast and manoeuvrable, they can attack or defend, they are versatile Subs are a slow one trick pony, and remember Asashio? The bane of BBs, well, they are still here. tldr Cvs crap in everything, but especially on DDs and because of that they are so few of them today and it's easy to give the last push to see DDs go down the cliff. If they put subs in random we all will miss the DD and be stuck with a thing that's already sunk in the start of the game.

No, Don't count with me for that s.hit show.

I got Hawkins and Devonshire, only by luck, 4th bundle , never played Hawkins Don't have any of the Arp Ships, i miss it and when i realized i didn't bother with them I have London and i like to think it's my budget Belfast but i don't play much, a battle here and there Eu DD, only Friesland, I'm gonna get it when i have enough for Alaska too. Russian Cruisers i got 10 tokens (i was playing Crossout) and i think i have enough XP in the Shchors to unlock the new t8 CL and newT8 CA at once yeah, but things are kinda slow for me now. early acess? why? if i can wait for them when they are released in the tech tree. RN CA teach me that

@Redcap375 @MrWastee I don't play WOT but i see some vids. few things i noticed was : Wots - Bottom tier tanks have little to no hope of doing damage to higher tier tanks. WoWs - here, we've got very recently the IFHE rework, that translate in a very similar thing Wots - the introduction of wheeled vehicles offset the in game balance , specially the light tanks spotting capabilities Wows - introduction of subs? I don't talk about cvs because the spotting capabilities was nerf with 8.0 Wots - the premiums over there have a shorter life span , they must have so many premiums over there that once a new one is release the old one becomes a shadow of what used to be, they even switch guns from a tank to another. Wows - there was an increase of premium ships release. And Wows already started to think about changing premiums (GC as an example, they wanted to change the tier at one point) And other things too. As Wot it's older than Wows. both belong to the same company with a business strategy. my question is: Are Wows going in the same direction as Wot? Can we expect that to happen? I'm wondering for some time now. In five years time Wows can be in the same place as Wot .

I don't care. My Moskva can multi citadel BBs, can bow tank, that's good enough for me. I will have the others and it will be good having a cruiser of other times pre patch 8.0, before this mad competition started to creeping in. to the op I wouldn't sell

yeah, i'm sceptical about Buffalo too, specially after Baltimore. about being bottom tier it's not that bad, Chapayev was painful for me, specially after Shchors, there wasn't a single game with the t8 and tier 9 where i wouldn't wish to be in Schohrs, but i did it, i get through , i have Moskva. Hipper...well, it has everything to be a great ship but for some reason it isn't, what i was expecting from Hipper i got from Baltimore, I'm at Roon now . I never did what you are doing even with chapayev or Hipper i fought to the bitter end. But if you are with that mindset you are better off in co-op. Not only you can do more games per hour but you can earn more XP per hour if you manage to do between 500 or more per game, in average for a random game you can do 2 co-op games things add up in the end. Nowadays many players if not all go to co-op to grind mission/directives requirements anyways. And you can shorten your estimative to reach DM Use economic signals (flags) and camo with XP bonus, even in co-op they will pay off and if you use flags and camo with free XP bonuses you don't have to play the Buffalo , you can play what you like (with those bonuses) and free XP the freaking thing. don't ruin the game for others and don't sap your fun/enjoyment

Nurnberg was my first choice for the job at hand but once in the game i realized that it didn't have depth charges, when i was on top of a sub, pressed G and nothing happened, and i don't know why. But it's not my only specialized DD hunter CL, and i run Hydro in ALL my cruisers. It's not only silly if you choose BBs, in that Nurnberg game what happened next was very silly. I stayed in top of that sub, the sub stayed at 12 m underwater and that's was it.

Surelly WG was expecting this. Wows it's not the kind of game that mix bots and players in their games like other games do. e.g. World of warplanes because of low player base. Subs mode it's a MM of a one tier only. Plus the lack of interest of player base in general

yeah, especially if the CL you are playing doesn't have depth charges

@IanH755 And what is or are your suggestion or suggestions to force human players to play ?

That's about the same DPM... I don't know. Sluggish

Troubling news. Of my go to ships only 3 weren't "acquired taste" - Kuma - Budyonny - Baltimore And since Cleveland was t6 i didn't had another reliable US cruiser.

It's what i'm afraid of. Where I'm standing it seems to me another Shchors/chapayev (the first it's awesome, the latest it's meh at best) a go to ship / a ship that i'll never play again. DM could be the next Shchors but the 12 sec reload makes it only ok. Now, Budyonny's big brother guns are awesome. In t6 you have a light and faint hint of what's to come

If you hate Baltimore you already hate DM, they have similar game styles. Same tools Don't do it that way. 1 - the way you are doing it you are wasting so many xp , you could do it faster if you tried harder and managed to translate that in real progress You probably are doing between 0 and 800 xp or so, instead , you could do it in the 1000 to 2000 bracket. 2- You play Baltimore like you said , then you will probably play Buffalo like you said you played Baltimore, then what? Play DM in other way? How? If you spent the last tiers going naked towards your doom, you will find extremely difficult to do anything else than that. 3- you will not enjoy the ships playing that way, there isn't one ship capable of sustain that. You have to play to the strengths of said ship. Tell me, can you tank a DM with a Baltimore? and can you tank a DM with a DM? Tell me a ship that you liked. I'm here for 3 years now, just a few months ago, I've reached my first t10. But i remember battles, exciting moments and so on. I see two outcomes for you. 1- you grind yourself out, get tired of the game without ever reaching your goal 2 - you reach DM and be very disappointed and frustrated In both scenarios you never enjoy the game, the ships or anything else

Just for curiosity Yesterday i did 2 sub battles. In the second battle i picked up my Nurnberg, which is, last time i checked, a CL, it was always a CL. Today i checked my port and all my CLs have depth charges but Nurnberg. Why? Second thing. This happened some time ago Why this happened?

Wait..what? Oh man, i have Baltimore and what an awesome ship, it's a much better Hipper, it's what Hipper wanted to be. I already unlocked Buffalo and i'm still playing Baltimore I'm no one to give you advices but if you say you are shooting with 9 guns... well, you are doing things very different from me i rarely use the rear turret. I don't run radar only hydro and AA, i try to support my dds , (dds are afraid of your 10 km radar, they are afraid if you pop your radar they will be focused by your team). I stay bow in many times, ready to go to cover if needed it , don't tank nothing with guns bigger than 380 mm. All you have is guns and good guns, invest on them. invest on your AA.

Well, now i know where those containers went :) Since the start of my grind towards Moskva i did, parallel to that a grind for raw material containers, so, on top of those 565 i had + 70 or so with coal and i did get this on time. I stayed only a few thousands from Smolensk (thanks God for that) But every cloud has a silver lining because there's a ship with a in game legacy coming up, instead of toxicity it inspired fear and uncertainty , especially the ones with the jolly roger hoisted, in the days where Belfasts and Kutuzovs cruised the MM in vaster numbers than it, and yet, it was more. Aspirational I'm going to get one of those. :) 565 containers and half are failed attempts to get a historical ship second only to Bismarck. @gopher31 No, i have 526 reminders to grind the Odin campaign to get the second best ship of the Atlantic in IIWW. :) Regarding, Nurnberg, let's be certain. @MrConway Why there are CLs without depth charges?

why? Lagal and Nurnberg don't get depth charges? Both of them are CLs About them apples I don't have interests in those containers, they are what was left of try your luck . All SC has been opened . But i don't know why they took so many from me. @Aethervoxx nice to meet you too

No , i had 565

Came on, they are just 15 seconds radars, 10 seconds for the rest of the team. They are not worth the space they will occupy. I will put another consumable in it's place and i'm not surprised if more people will do the same.

What you mean by that? Don't tell me that they revert co-op down to 5 players.

Well, I did two battles today and I hated it. 1 - I wasn't able to bring my Akizuki , so I picked up my co-op Farragut, I managed to sink one, at the end we lost to a hatsuaru hanging by a thread and I with a detection of 7 km or so. the two remaining subs were useless in spotting and they spent the late game going between two caps without reaching neither. 2 - I pick one of my best cruisers, Nurnberg, specialized in dd hunting, 19 point captain, RPF, Hydro, good guns. Last time I checked, Nurnberg was a CL, for three years now, I always thought that Nurnberg was a CL and if Nurnberg, is, in fact, a CL, then I have to ask Where are the depth charges? Because when I was about to launch the freaking charges, the freaking consumable wasn't there, then I shot the guy, did 5 penetrations, the guy submerged to 12 m and that was it. I couldn't do anything, and he, for some reason, didn't do anything and we stood there, I couldn't leave cover because there was a Normandie waiting for me but why didn't he leave? Didn't like the gameplay, was like playing Defence of Newport Station with a team that disperses all over the map like toddlers, then it becomes very stale and stiff with players going nowhere, literally, they stop doing I don't know what and they stay there like bricks with eyes

Oh but they can, if you look closer to history you will find a couple of examples of ships going uphill and downhill