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I'm really struggling to keep my expectations down , to keep my feet on the ground with this ship. I know what is expecting me out there in random and i'm a bit afraid because as they say the highest you go the harder the fall is. I absolutely love this ship, it's like it was made for me by WG, a love letter from the devs team to me, only other ship was love at the first sight, Kuma. Screw NC, this ship it's like a T8 Bayern with better armour and bigger guns and versatile as crap. and so accurate. It's like, going from this To this It already out tanked my Bismarck on the same conditions I just broke + 40 planes mark and i even didn't notice that, at first. i don't care if it was against bots or not, i never came close to that since patch 8.0 A premium ship that actually works like a charm. Best buy i made since i'm here. Pls help.

Why? Because of secondaries? Nah, for some reason i found out Bayern it's a workhorse and Bismarck and Gneise are just for here and there. I had already tested Bama before a awful session with Gneise, worse than that only in a game i had with Jackal where a shell fell off the barrel Going slower and not having secondaries keeps me alive for longer. I'm not ruling Massa out, but that ship makes the same trades than the Germans did while Alabama doesn't. It is a different take while remaining familiar and with desirable trades (toughness, punchiness and accurate e.g.). I try to keep myself in check, looking to the armour, specially all the way to t10 i will burn a lot, maybe more than in a German BB which can burn quite nice, but then i jump in the Bama and i'm the superman...crap.

Now, you got me there (i just don't remember how the last "collecting data session" went MM wise.) But i only have 9 t8 ships, of those only 3 or 4 will be able to carry ASW if there's no t8 "Nurnbergs". so... And besides why test t8 subs, if the t6 ones are still undercooked? One thing that WG could do it's a North Atlantic convoy scenario pvp or pve and launch corvettes and other proper anti subs ships, that's a lot of sellable premium ships. I'm amazed why they didn't do with Greyhound what they did with Dunkerque

Those will not cause any problem, they sink by their own accord

Man, you have to buy a lottery ticket today, you'll be rich No. that would mean that t6 would be bottom tier when facing a sub. And would had to face much higher tier BShitery BS torps BS detection BS unable to hit target with no ASW tools like Nurnberg e.g.

It was not disastrous because of lack of incentives, it was disastrous because they suck. not only because of those BS torps but mainly because of that unable to hit target major BS plus the fact, many of the surface ships don't have ASW thingies plus the fact they have completely BS detection, that will end with dds I did my part, providing some data, after that i will actively avoid them they have no place in random.

If we go by No Zoup for We don't need this ship. we don't need one more dd to hang in the back, for that we already have two lines of dds.

No, you stay safe. And don't forget. Dodge, duke and pray.

Are we switching? :) Bad timing with that (IFHE rework) Free XP Aoba, start at Myoko, Kuma (t4) and furutaka (t5) are fun. Shchors it's a pretty good ship if you don't mind the lack of armour. Budyonny it's a pretty good dd hunter, Leander can be good It depends, if your target (other cruiser) is sailing strait giving you flat broadside, to the waterline If the target ( a cruiser)is sailing going slightly further from you but broadsiding, a little over the deck If the target ( a cruiser) sailing going slightly closer from you but broadsiding, a little under the waterline Every thing else and angled cruisers, shoot HE No. But for that better check LWM topic. Nurnberg doesn't need IFHE (But a lot of bounces and shatter it's expected) Dodge, Duke and pray, (regarding positioning) DDs are always priority targets that will be US cruisers. 203's, CAs, CLs not so much, maybe to other CLs.

I have those too. (EM + AR + SI). Now i'm not sure about the modules on Bayern, except one, the rudder. But for Alabama i will have to have the same as you + flags, i'm 2 points away from having my much needed reality check with that ship :)

I gave it some thought about RPF, i have RPF + Hydro + CE in many of my CLs but in a CA? Slower reload and if you have radar... you just click the consumable and the target appears. That was my logic. Yes, i can go with that. I think the problem it's the lack of good options when the establish build changes

uhhmmm.... Let me make small corrections. FP it's too expensive for what it is, by it's own it's useless, there's no big difference in having three or four fires burning, it relies heavily on the other guy skill too, instead of two you will get one fire in most cases, but you can get two or more. Now, FP coupled with SI and JoaT and BS, HA it's a strait up benefit ( yeah, i went for tankiness i went for them all, i just applied my Igor's build to my Bayern) but even if i only took SI and JoaT, that's a whooping 9 points to make a thing work. I disagree, i potato the torps in this one ( my Bayern has a 11 sec rudder) but the bombs and rockets were all thanks to the cv guy, he was just missing the Mark by his own, i believe with my old build this cv guy would never came near to my Bayern. I'm not stat shaming or anything, i'm just saying you can feel the difference and you can't just dodge, you will eat always with them (bombs). The current build it's more productive but not as fun.

Let's take Balti as an example. No heals 203 mm guns no torps what would be your suggestions, then?. And like Balti, almost every CL has a similar problem with the IFHE rework

well, some ships don't have anything else to spec, there's that.

I hope i wont regret this... @Beastofwar , All nice and dandy, what's up dude? Listen man, i'm always open to new approaches to a thing, just see some of my builds. In CV/AA department there's a before and a after. Before, any ship good at AAing with no particular build could shoot down + 40 planes effortless, now not so much. Balti now it's a shadow from what it used to be. I'm going full AA build with Balti because still worth it, because i face bad cv players much more often than good ones, and in this circumstances the current Balti kinda of works, it can protect itself and dds with it's giant invisible hand, but against good player it struggles to be that fast like when against bad players. If i shoot down 14 planes in a game ,that could mean i protected a dd from two strikes , or two dds from 1 strike and balti can do it fast. If i see a dd close to me for a while and no planes around , i call it a success, despite being extremely anaemic when compared with good old Balti. regarding this. Maybe in battle but not on forums as my experience goes, plenty helpful and useful advices.

Alabama? May not have the Massa's secondaries but it can bow tank or keep it's distance and fire away, it's guns are more reliable than Massa's, stats wise. Many say if you have NC you don't need Alabama, they are copy/paste, That i don't know, i don't have NC. The best way i have to describe Alabama . While it hasn't Turtleback (so, don't show your broadside) It's like a Bayern with better armour and with bigger and better guns, for me, it's a T8 Bayern, much more versatile because it can brawl(ish) or stay at distance. To me it all depends of my mood . I absolute love that ship

I picked that along with one more plane up there skill

One thing i can be sure. Bayern, i had a secondarie build with lots of AA, and i was confident about it , Bayern could save itself or mitigate the damage from drops. But i changed it to a tank build. While my Bayern become much more resilient against surface ships it got substantially worse in defending itself against planes.

apparently, yes. That was exactly my reaction when i saw the video. that make us two. while i hadn't the slightest clue about the skill as a all, i always looked at + 50% preparation time with distrust. How about this? the red circles it's what i already have implemented in Balti , all the rest I'm still thinking about. My doubts about AFT in this particular case... i'm not sure because as is, as soon my Balti gets spotted by planes the AA is already firing, i don't know if i want to give up on that, the element of surprise, i fear if i choose AFT i will give a warning in advance for the cv player and he can retreat in time without my Balti do some substantial damage to his planes.

@NikolayKuznetsov Here, not at kissing distance :) more difficult but effective nonetheless. (i'm not certain if the 406's guns are the same, i think they have different calibres mine it's 45s iowa 50? Iowa has longer barrels i think, faster shells) @DFens_666 My bad, but if they don't have improved angles. they are fooling me well :)

No. And according to Flamu, the name is misleading. see at 14:04

I'm going full AA in my Balti. While it's true that AA it's not what it used to be, and a good cv will just crap on ships. but what is also true, the changes you have playing against an average or worse cv player are just must higher. And in these cases Balti proved to be very useful. It can mess up the cv drops. It can annihilate planes in a second Tend to be left alone by cv players

I like it. I got the Graf Spee, finally.. And the grind towards Odin was doing nicely until i bought Alabama then all went side ways. I can't stop playing that ship How can i pile up elite XP for my Balti captain if i don't play anything else than Alabama. Thank God i got Graf Spee first. @Karasu_Hidesuke My suggestion is. Co-op Play cvs for spotting missions. play dds for kills, defended, captured or assisted capture kind of missions Play x hits from secondaries Random For credits, XP and whatnot.

It's a good starting point. It's up to you to adopt what you read and see and it's useful to your playstyle . there's more videos about Iowa scoring citadels in Yamatos and whatnot

Man i don't have a Iowa, i don't know the ship, never played it. I'm in no position to gave you advices about Iowa whatsoever the best thing i can do about Iowa is this. sorry. see 12 minutes mark