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Siegfried never can fit to T10 even with historical armor, she's lacking firepower,armor and AA and i think i can guess WGs plan for German T10 largecruiser. Siegfried looks fine at T9 but yeah reload is bad on Siegfried in my opinion and it has cruiser like accuracy as i know not Georgia's one. Ägir in other hand right now is really just for people that wants German Alaska/Azuma type largecruiser not Siegfried like battlecruiser.

Ah yeah Flambass dropped video about Siegfried. Siegfried was promising from the beginning they adjusted somethings then they announced Ägir and both ship went into development hell even now they are in weird place in my opinion but I have to say WG should give secondary range back to Ägir. So both of them will have great thing to compare, one being more Accurate other being more spammy type ship.

I like doing these type of proposals so i decided to do another one. WG decided to add Yashima/Shikisima with 510 mm guns thus breaking their promise but with that that allows them to add larger guns for other nations such as German's H42 and above but problem is above H42 is way heavy for T10. By displacement and size problems H42 is the only 1 that's fitting to T10. So i'm heavily gonna talk about H42 here.First her displacement size guns and historical information. H-42 The battleship H42 is battleship designed in 1942. Hitler issiued a request for larger battleships and no restraction for gun caliber or displacement.Only requirements were speed 30 knots or above and better horizontal and underwater protection. Displacement: 90,000 t Dimensions: 305/42.8/11.8 Horsepower: 260,000 Speed: 32 knots Armor: 300 mm Belt, 145 mm upper belt, 60 mm upper deck, 140 mm middle deck, 130 mm lower decks, slopes of the deck is 150 mm, Thickness of external bulkheads is 45 mm above them is 25 mm internal bulkheads is 30 mm, conning towers up to 390 mm, turrets was armored up to 400 mm armor. Depth of underwater protection increased to 15.73 meters. And to 3.7 meters The depth of the inner bottom. remining is similar to H41 and H39. Armaments: 4 x dual 480 mm L/42 SK C/46 6 x dual 150 mm L/55 SK C/38 8 x dual 105 mm L/65 Dop.L.C/38 14 x dual 37 mm LM/42 10 x quad 20 mm Flakvierling 38 This is it's historical specifications just heavier then Kremlin by 4 thousands tons as i know so she's easy to balance in my opinion. let's come to In-game stats that i think H42 might or should get. German T10 Battleship Wilhelm der Große Details Tier:-10(X) Class:-H42 class Superbattleship(BB) HP:-112,000 overall armor:-19mm~400 mm Torpedo protection damage reduction:-35% Armaments and shells 4 x dual 480 mm L/42 SK C/46 Max range:- 21.2 km Reload:-27 seconds 180° turret rotation time:- 36 seconds Maximum dispersion:- 262 meters Sigma:- 1.8 AP damage:- 16,100 Shell travel time:- 805 m/s HE damage:- 5,900 HE shell penetration:- 120 mm Chances of causing fire:- 46% Shell travel time:- 810 m/s 6 x dual 150 mm L/55 SK C/38 Same as German ships. 8 x dual 105 mm L/65 Dop.L.C/38 Same as other German ships. Anti-air 23 x dual 55 mm Gerät 58 vierling 14 x quad 20 mm Flakvierling 38 Avarage continues damage:- 371 per second Number of explosion:- 6 Damage of explosion:- 1470 AA starting range:- 5.2 km Maneuverability Speed:- 32 knots Turning circle radius:- 1040 meters Rudder shift time:- 16 seconds Concealment Surface detectibility:- 17.6 km Air detectibility:- 14.4 km Detectibility after firing in smoke:- 14 km Consumables Box standard German BB consumable. So yeah this is my proposal for the stats of H42 heavy as GK but still exchanges somethings such as armor,secondaries for AA,health and guns. Guns are not Ohio and Thunderer accurate they are slight improved version to Bismarck's dispersion, Gun angles might feel like FDG more rather then GK. Deck armor is heavy as Russians since project says so. AA is left to WG but GK has weak AA compared to other German ships WG didn't used empty space on GK unlike FDG B hull. I don't know what to add now anyway take care.

I'm here to suggest to change Torpedo's to same as GZ's low damage but easy to use torpedo's but bit different. for T4 torpedo damage will be lower at 4,900 or something near with 35 knots speed and 450 meters arming distance. For T6 Torpedo damage will be same as GZ's at 5,333 with 35 knots speed and 470 meters arming distance. For T8 3rd bomber will be added same as the line but damage and arming distance will remain the same. For T10 4th bomber will be added, Damage of torpedos will be stay 5,333 with 35 knots speed and 490 meters arming distance.(Kinda like improving GZ) I mean why not there's lot's of possiblilities WG can do other then this useless hard hitting current Torpedo concept.

Can't we have GZ's Torpedos, i bet no one will be mad about them since they are both easy to use for CV player and low damaging enough to not make anti CV people mad?

First i meant main gun accuracy not secondary accuracy and In this state she's better ship. Secondly yeah Agir has Odin guns but they are better because of it's accuracy is different. Agir using Supercruiser dispersion, Odin using Battleship dispersion. Kron in other hand is crap ,very crap because she's using Battleship dispersion not supercruiser dispersion. Although if RNG is with you Kron will work but nah Kron is worst Battlecruiser currently. And then get German BBs aswell, I really don't think any type of O class ship would fit to be secondary ship since it's armor never designed as frontline ship.

Not really again Kron using Battleship accuracy. thus it's damage is low compered to other BCs due to not able to hit things. Ägir is more of a better Azuma and kinda worse Alaska with weird armor and same accurate 305 mm guns with German flavors. Against Kron, Ägir has better range, Battlecruiser dispersion and German AP and German HE which is great. And with accuracy changed now we can feel real German accuracy unlike meme secondaries that's like German BBs has. If you want Meme secondary ship get German BBs or Massa, Georgia.

way im thinking to balance this is giving these guns accuracy of Bismarck just slightly improved Bismarck dispersion. I wanted to make H42 different from GK and more like larger Bismarck. 105s will change AA and secondary power but gun's being larger should balance her.(Even though accuracy must be worse then Thunderer and Ohio) for rudder German's improved rudder historically in plan's, so i give Bismarck's rudder shift.

GK is actually longer with 313 meters long. H42 is shorter but heavier.

457 mm design of Project 24 (Kremlin)was 86 thousand tons, but 406 version is 76 thousand tons.

GK displacement technically unknown since it's WGs imaginary design, Kremlin has 80 to 90 k tons Displacement as i know.

Siegfried returned to testing btw.

Historical ice breaker might help Agir a bit but Turtleback is real issue but doesn't metter since Agir doesn't need to get in close anymore. But yeah just like how we have Kremlin vs GK ,we might get Stalingrad vs"KW50" T10 Agir with 12 305 mm guns with secondaries. And KW45 with accurate 8 380 mm guns but with less secondaries and less armor. Im just hoping. California nerf is very questionable, she's very slow BB with proper AA and T6 guns.

I actually liked Agir changes, I didn't wanted secondary memes from German large cruisers i wanted to see German big accurate guns. Like mix of BB and CA.Guns and armor from BB and accuracy of cruiser. And i don't think WG just throw secondary cruiser idea out of the window there's still KW45 and KW50 battlecruiser designs, they are fitting to T10 and WG can make them with actual armor and secondaries. Can even make Siegfried and Agir versions of T10 with 8 380 mm guns and 12 305 mm guns. 1 sniper other secondary brawler. https://wiki.wargaming.net/ru/Navy:Проект_линейного_крейсера_фирмы_Kriegsmarinewerft_1939_года

I actually liked Agir changes, I didn't wanted secondary memes from German large cruisers i wanted to see German big accurate guns. Like mix of BB and CA.Guns and armor from BB and accuracy of cruiser. And i don't think WG just throw secondary cruiser idea out of the window there's still KW45 and KW50 battlecruiser designs, they are fitting to T10 and WG can make them with actual armor and secondaries. Can even make Siegfried and Agir versions of T10 with 8 380 mm guns and 12 305 mm guns. 1 sniper other secondary brawler. https://wiki.wargaming.net/ru/Navy:Проект_линейного_крейсера_фирмы_Kriegsmarinewerft_1939_года

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I have to mention this here Graf Zeppelin torpedos are entirely different then current tech tree plan. GZ torpedos 5330 damage - 35 knots speed - 470 meters arming distance AvP Torpedos 6,600 damage - 25 knots - 604 meters arming distance MvR Torpedos 8,200 damage - 25 knots - 784 meters arming distance Graf Zeppelin didn't had problem with torpedo's in my opinion they were low damaging but very usable torpedos just like EU DDs but this line it looks like it has very unusable torpedos. I have to ask why fixing one thing( Dive bomber ellipse is fixed with the line)and breaking another thing(Torpedos looks useless)?

Yo it's me again making fan designs of some ships again i'm making German ship this time it's FDG at T10. As we all know Germans lacking T10s in the game somehow or just WG ignoring them and focusing on Soviet imaginary ships yeah like most im not happy anyway it's not the thing i'm here for right now. T10 FDG it might not sound intreseting and it is not actually, who plays with Tirpitz will recognize this ship's gameplay style a lot. Historical design of H class Battleship H 1939 53,400 metric tons standard displacement 63,600 metric tons full load displacement 277.8 M lenght 37 M beam 10 M draft Armaments 4 dual 406 mm guns 6 dual 150 mm guns 8 dual 105 mm guns Performance 30 knots at 165,000 shp 19,200 nm at 19 knots Armor Main belt: 330 mm mid, 60 mm forward,90 mm aft Upper belt: 145 mm Torpedo bulkhead: 45 mm Decks: 100-120 mm main,50-80 mm armored deck Bulkheads:220 mm Turrets: 385 mm face,240 mm side, 130 mm roof Conning tower: 390 mm TX Wiessenburg Ship name:Weißenburg Ship Tier:T10 Ship class:Battleship Ship Nation:Germany Health points:93,400 Torpedo damage protection:30% Main battery 4 Dual 406 mm L/52 Drh LC/34 guns Reload: 24 second 180 degree turn time: 32.7 second Range of fire: 21.1 km Maximum dispersion: 251 meters Sigma: 1.9 HE Shell 406 mm Spr.Gr.L/4.4 Kz Maximum HE damage:4,800 Fire chance:38% Initial HE velocity:810 m/s AP shell 406 mm P.Spr.Gr.L/4.4 Maximum damage:12,700 Initial HE Velocity:810 m/s Secondary armament: 6 Dual 150 mm L/55 SK C/28 guns Fire range:7.6 km Reload:7.5 seconds HE damage:1,700 Initial HE velocity:875 m/s 8 Dual 128 mm L/61 KM41 guns Firing range:7.6 km reload time:3.6 seconds HE damag:1,500 Initial HE velocity:820 m/s Torpedo armament 2 quad 533 mm Veirling torpedo reload time:90 second 180 degree turn time:7.2 second Maximum damage:13,700 range:6 km speed:64 knots AA Armaments: Long range 8 Dual 128 mm L/61 KM41 guns N of explosion:6 Within explosion damage:1540 continuous damage:210 hit probility:75% Mid Range AA 14 Dual 55 mm L/77 Gerat 58 Zwilling AA guns 8 Dual Flak LM/42 AA guns continuous damage:452 hit probility:80% Short Range 12 quad 20 mm Flakvierling 38 guns continuous damage:195 hit probility:75% Mobility 30 knots 940 m turning radius 16.3 second rudder shift time Concealments 16.7 km base concealment 12.1 km air detectability 17 km after firing inside smoke Consumables Slot 1:Damage control 10 second work time---90(60) second reload Slot 2:Repair party Charges:3(4) Action time: 28 second Reload time: 120(80) second heal rate:0.5% /sec Slot 3: Hydro acoustic search charges:2(3) action time:120 s reload time:180(120)s 3 km torpedo detection 5 km ship detection Slot 4: Spotter or fighter Ah that's it this is all i can think of right now a FDG with better everything,i had another German T10 design named Brandenburg that uses Russian BB accuracy formula, both of them is great design in my opinion but who cares hehe that's all for now I'll be thinking about more ships and i will do something other then German ships maybe Japanese CLs next time Thanks for checking the idea!

You getting something wrong here Conway. Moskva camo becoming free thus we who spend REAL money on it feeling that they spend money on nothing. Before you say Bonuses, We needed the camo so we can play Moskva casually because T10 economy is very bad.

I should say WG needs to do compensate for that Perma camo like give us 2 option or just give the doubloon back. These 2 is the option. Any other T10 Permacamo you want that's worth 5k doubloon. Special Moskva camo that created for those camo owners. Like how Graf Zeppelin got special camo. Or just give us 5 k doubloon back.

not losing anything? We are technically losing 5 k doubloon. Others getting the camo free and people who bought the camo getting nothing at all rather losing doubloon.That's how i and i guess many who bought camo is feeling right now.

I contacted support about the Camo a week or two weeks ago...They say" you have an early acces to it so no refund" What type of thing even is that, how a camo can be early access like wtf. I'm just angry because it's sooo unfair and frustrating that other's gonna get it for free and i gonna sit here with loss of money.

I will add these here- Zeppelin restores aircrafts like T8, unlike Saipan and Indomitable Planes have health just bit more then T8 Japanese aircrafts but less then standard T8 American Aircrafts. Torpedo damage is compensated by plane speed and easy to use torpedos(35 knots speed and 470 meters arming distance)unlike announced CV line Rocket planes on Zeppy might be slow but its very easy to turn thus making it very easy to handle DDs. Dive bombers are really RNG with 2 bombs but bombs have Hakuryuu panetration. But heath of planes pretends attack on most T10s I mean I can't pick T10s mostly even if they are single(Maybe Yama or late game Kremlin). Problem is German CV tech tree looks nothing like this Their health is below Japanese aircrafts. Plane speed is just 4 knot faster then Japan.(Only at T10 it's faster by 20 knots) AP Rockets their gimmick but i also like to see those GZ HE rockets. Torpedo Damage high but torpedos are very hard to use with 25 knots 748 meters arming distance at T10 unlike GZ. Dive bombers fixed tho although their Damage looks weak at T10 i suppose they gonna be able to pen anything very easily even CVs. Same Health problems at T10 DBs have very close health as T4 carrier Hosho DBs. And Torpedo bombers has same health as GZ TBs but suprisangly they are slower by 7 knots then GZ planes. Graf Zeppelin isn't terrible. She's very great but tricky unlike Kaga or Enterprise or any T8 CV. You need time mastering her but when you do she's very powerfull that torpedo bomber speed and dive bomber speed means constant attacks on enemy. But WG decided to mess it when making this line. Torpedos are terrible even tho their damage is high. Dive bomber healths are messed up. Rockets are still unknown and they used T8 Aircrafts at T10.

GZ using those aircrafts right now and they don't do well against T10s.

It's not Odin. It can't be, First it's T8 Wargaming still didn't made T8 coal ship, Second They said ship itself isn't announced yet and said wait for Development blog for news. I think it's high tier German BB possibly T10 i think tho i just think. Since they broken the promise of 460 mm, H42 and above is possible. I think it's likely they might be planning H42 since its light enough to fit the T10.