Sub_Human

I play mainly T 10 dds. They all have their pros and cons, but I enjoy them all. Bottom of my list would be z52 and Gearing. Grozovoi is sort of on my shitlist right now. Shima used to be but after the buff its better. Top would be Yueyang and Khaba. Funny thing is that having all of them you will always find something that works when the meta changes. And that makes them all enjoyable. Also you will find that your own playstyle will change from time to time, and when it does some other dd will fit you better. I always return to Khaba though. It just doesnt care about counters like radar and such. Its all about you, your decisions and your skill.

I love mine. Have only played 2 games in ranked t10 so far. Khaba and radar YY both work fine. I would not bring Grozovoi to ranked though. It works in randoms if you are cautious and can be a good capcontester as well as a great flanker. I do agree that the range could be a little longer 13.5-14km with aft and give the guns the same he alfa 1900dmg as all the other high tier RU DDs.

Thx for the details I will keep hoping for some russian imagination though.

I really suck at historical facts. But I remember something about Kebab being designed (or project...) by the Italians. And someone made a comparison to a Italian DD or cruiser. It wasnt as fast, but close, and had some armor. I was just thinking that if the Italians follow the same pattern as the Ruskies. Lazer-guns on DDs and Cruisers, atleast on high tiers. Then 1000+ m/s guns on DDs could be really fun (I like gunboating in the open). You could probably hit reliably on max range and depending on the size of your ship you wouldnt even have to be that fast, atleast not if its agile. I guess someone will tell me all about Kebab and Italy soon... A premium would be awesome, it would atleast show where their thoughts are heading...

I really want to see a Italian DD-line. Dont know what they will do but there is some Khaba-like potential there. And looking at the 1000m/s guns on the cruisers... I want this sooo much

I agree that raised citadels are part of the solution. It would punish bad play and make Flanking manuvers more rewarding. I also think they should change the CE captain skill so that the percentage is the same for every class, just like the module. Also the CCs are right about the xp-system needing some rework away from damage farming...

I tend to get my tubes destroyed as well. Only in the YY, it litteraly has never happened in another DD in 4000+ games.

I had a similar experience when I realized that my winrate went up if I had the time to start playing t4 Isyaslav, then Ohotnik at t5, then t7 Leningrad... same captain. After that I can play any t10 DD better. For me its sort of a warmup. But most days I dont have the time so I'll just jump to t10 with mixed results.

The two most enjoyable DD in my opinion are Yugomo and Fletcher. So if you have your heart set on DDs and the old lines you have a gem waiting for you at either line.

Yes but as I said to Boris the chances of winning are slim. It does happen and you may be able to tie up 2-3 ships for 5 minutes before you are cornered. But its not going to happen often and if it does the game is likely to be lost anyway.

True but the actual chance of winning such a fight is slim. Locking up people so that they waste their time is something useful, that is very true. I do it a lot in my Yugomo for example. And yes you have a point, but funny thing is that people tend to go in to very situational situations just to prove that something is situational...

Funny thing is that if I sit in a Kagero against a bunch of cruisers Im kinda screwed as well...

Two massive crashes today and horrible lag-Spikes.

Ive gotten used to playing without PT. I Always go PM and thats my only 1p skill on any DD. I even rebuilt my IJN ones out of RPF. Took EM and Torp Acc. instead. It feels like the best awarenes skill is your own spidersence... Then again some days... When it comes to CVs if you can turn away so the planes have to chase you you can shot down quite a few before they can drop you. And hopefully dodge the rest. This does not apply to t10 CVs as their planes tend to be to tough. Outrunning the torps never gets old though.

I went BFT on the Kebab. 10% at the start of the match is better then the late game buff. And the torp buff with ar is irrelevant. Flamu went ar + extra 1p skill instead. Im not sure what is best though. Kebab is always a target for CVs, being clumpsy as it is. BFT helps a little, atleast against t8 and t9 CVs. Against a t10 you better be Good at dodgeing.

YY yes Kebab yes Z no Grozovoi yes Shima yes Gearing no But would you trade rudder mod 2? Just realized you were right and Im sooo wrong...

Im not sure you are right about it needing a buff. I am however sure that IJN Dds in general could use a buff in torpedo-concealment. Reduce it by 3-500m it would help a lot.

Yes please sell me a Kaze as well and I'll be torping noobs like there is no tomorrow. The Kaze is so op its not even funny... Still I can shut it down when I face one. Depending on who is driving that is...

Yes but if the solution to bad play is nerfing range... I can think of a couple of ships in dire need of range nerfs. Mabe even a whole class Also ships being highly specialized would force people to work together. Ships being able to do everything is bad design if you ask me. This whole thread is about people who dont like game-changers, things that forces you and the team to play differently. Ive been there too, I hated CVs with a passion. Now I just feel like the problem is the meta more then CVs. A CV in every game would probably help the game by promoting cruisers. And I would probably never play any torp boat if I knew that planes and tons of radar were in game... So no Asashio. But as is...

How is this different to any other dd or any other class for that matter Playing yester day I had such wierd games. I felt like my team was actively avoiding all caps. My first game I capped a while doing 40 k damage to dds and dying in a Khabarovsk. That was our only cap for the entire game and we lost by points. Last game I got 3 caps in my Grozovoi and again only 40k damage mainly to DDs. That game we won but I Only got 1600k xp, third in the team. 2 damage farmers at 2000k over me. People do not seem to want to win. Only farm damage. This goes for BBs as well as Cruisers, so why the hell not DDs. Im on the verge of going there permanently. F**k all caps and just farm damage like everyone else. Asashio will do nicely for this.

Wow! Well said! Its funny that you can summerize something in 6 lines of text that puts other peoples walls-of-text to shame. Makes me want to re-read your walls of text.

Specked the Gearing for AA. It sits waiting in my port for a more CV-heavy meta. But untill then I will be driving the YY because its better at everything else. It really doesnt even suffer that hard vs CVs, because of perma-smoke. If your cv backs you up you can be used as a AA platform while you hide in your smoke giving him a small edge in the airfight. He then also spots for you and keeps you from getting torped in your smoke. Like the OP I was also suprised by my early stats in the YY 10 wins out of 11 But reality catches up to you in the end...

Im not sure that all people know this. But torping is just as much about other peoples lack of skill as its about your own skill. Its about guessing and luck. The exception being yolo-torping

This is basicly how I percive things. A lot of people would not agree with the tickeling part though, me included. And yes every game I play vs a CV they usually waste drops on me. Still the detectability bit greatly hinders what I as a DD can do. You have one camping fraction on a and one on c. If I push b I'll get spotted and focused if my team is not backing me up. I can dodge all I want I'll still be shot at, breaking modules burning etc. A broken rudder might also be the reason why I can't dodge the next drop. Basicly I need AA support and if my team won't give it Im screwed. I could go after the cv, wich is very much fun. Sometimes I'll even sink the bastard, more often then not. But it puts me out of the battle for most of the game. Im just saying that CVs greatly limit my influence on the game. Giving me more of a passive role. This would be fine if I could count on my team. Today I could not and its frustrating. I played 4 games at pretty good level but could not carry a passive team, mabe Im just not good enough. But I realize that CVs are not the main problem rather the lack of or inconsistency in their apperance in t10 games. If they were more common the meta would change and they (CVs) would not be able to do as much. So clone yourself please...

Cant say Ive seen any lack of CVs in t10 the last 3 or 4 Days. Even had them a lot in ranked. 4 out of 6 games today had CVs in them. I know I shouldnt whine to much, its not the CVs fault. But it really puts focus on how bad teamplay works in WOWS. And since no one specs for AA you find your buddies camping even further back than usual. Or using the amazing a-c split tactic, since no one wants to go b and as a dd its suicid without AA backup. And since all t10 cruisers that are good seem to be playing ranked. 5 BBs per side and 1-2 cruisers seem to be back as a norm. I find myself holding one flank and watching as the team slowly melts away. If Im lucky the oposing side melts faster but trying to carry is really not an option. It just leads to frustration and loss of hope for the human race.