Sub_Human

Guess this goes for Flamu, Flambass, Notser etc. As Ive said before. Radar in abundance is making high tier DD-play boring as f@@k. Leading to less DD-players in high tier. Possibly to sealclub more in low tiers. Som may leave the game making it less of a game, and since DD-players in general are better players the average skillevel on high tiers will drop.

This meta will stick a lot longer then people want to admit. Because of New US CLs comming soon. Also Kronkstahl (not BB) and Big New Staliniumboat (also not Not BB). We will see on average atleast one more radar on each side. And yes it can be played around but in general DDs will be less fun to play (on t8+) and have less influence on the game outcome. Resulting in less DDs per game on average on tier 8+. You will also see more good DD-players on lower tiers sealclubbing. Witch in turn is bad for game regrowth. Since a lot of new players tend to quit at t4-5.

Im not even enjoying the Kebab much the last weeks as it also suffers in cruiser-heavy meta. Kebab eats other dds and can burn down BBs but being focused by multiple CA/CLs is hard to deal with. Torp boats seem to be doing best for me right now.

I did that for a couple of days and then spent some time sulking about in tier 4. The meta seems better now but It will permanently shift towards more radar. More radar ships with the US CLs and 2 new stronk premium Ruski BBs with radar will guarantee that.

No...

Im not sure that it will be broken in the hands of mr average Joe potatoe, that plays solo. But I have run into it 3 times in try hard divisions. Cv+W+ Gearing/Grozovoi/Minotaur. And in such a division its horrible. As a DD there is no point in trying to go near their cap. And its a total no fly done. If your BBs push then it can work but we all know that BBs like to do something else.

Ok where did you hear that it was to stronk with heal? Im just curious.

It would be fun to try it with different combos. It does need more range to gunboat in the open or higher speed better turningcircle. It needs better torps to play the stelthgame. I heard somewhere , Flambass?, that they were giving Groz heal and not radar. Range and Heal? Leave the rest as it is?

I think it will. Only the 19mm will change so the 21mm should be left as is.

Its amazing

Just wanted to say thank you for all the info and great reviews that you give us.

Yes they are. All of them. But sucking as I do at BBs. I have the ability to stink down even the Mighty Mo. 35% WR

Join me at tier 4

Radarheavy meta makes for really booring dd-play. Hence loosing DDs. I just uninstalled the game but could just keep away for 3 days. I will not play any more high tier games exept mabe for the conq untill update 7.7 or 7.8. Sealclubbing galore untill then and mabe scaring away the next generation of players. And I doubt Im the only one. Yesterday I had 3 kills average and 75% winrate.

I really dont get how you think that you are the only one shooting a radar spotted DD? Mabe someone else will take a shot? Mabe the whole team? And outplaying a BB as a stupid DD... broadside... stupid... angeling... stupid... running... stupid. As a retarded BB player enlighten me: how do you outplay a BB as a DD when it has radar? In low tiers its no problem. I will sulk at tier 4 untill the radar epidemic blows over or radar is nerfed. 3 frags average having a blast.

Didnt feel like starting another topic on something that already has so many. DD-play has gotten so much harder since the US-Cruiser line split. And we havent even seen the light cruisers yet. My winrate is dropping like a stone and Im not enjoying myself anymore. So Im gonna take a break. THX all of you lovely people here at the forums. Have a great summer and Ill check back with you in september :)

Damm it. Will portion it out to CV players from now on.

I do to. Its just that sometimes when Im giving someone all my 11 reports I realize that they are probably at zero already, so its just a waste.

It still boils down to, damned if you do, damned if you dont. With some games now that have 7 radars on each side. 5 radar cl/ca and double mo. If you dont contest caps in your dd you will be flamed in chat and you cant keep track of that many radar ships. So all that is left is flanking, spotting and damage farming. Other ships can do that to. My preference would be that you cant radar through solid objects.

Conway if Im not mistaken... It made me sooooo sad

The problem is and always was that angeling in a dd against bb ap is more likely to get you killed then potatoing broadside. This is frustrating and generally a bad game design..

Grozovoi Grozovoi is awkvard to play. But it would make more sense to buff her range to Udaloi levels or atleast Kebab levels. 13.2 to 14.6 or 13.5. Also make her he alfa 1900 like the other russian DDs, not 1800 as it is. But if you want to make her fun to play... Make her nimble. She handles way to bad to comfortably cap or even gunfight in the open. And yes i get that they dont want Khaba light. But now they are making her good only against dds.

Yes I agree it has become really hard the last 2 days. Will be playing a lot of Khaba for the forseeable future...

I usually just play kinda safe. Dont go to far into caps. Be ready to run. Turn so that your ship is angled back towards your team and you are at the edge of the cap. Make sure you have buddies to back you up. Radarcruisers are squishy and will rum from bbs. Have map awareness. And as of yesterday dont play Asashio its completely unplayable against 3-5 radarcruisers, you cant even torp them.

I totalt agree. Its not more egoistical than any cruiser or bb in the game. And it has more capping potential. You just cant sneakcap early in the game. It spots, bullys away whole teams from areas and is a better damage sponge then most bbs. Funny thing about the Udaloi/Grozovoi. My stats tell me Udaloi is better... And the captain wasnt even 19p back then.