Migantium_Mashum

I have a 19 point captain set up for them and if I am in a particularly shitty mood I load him up to play... pretty successful too.. I prefer 8km @ 76 though..

Might be too much effort for OP... I have TRB on Kagero, Yugumo and Asashio twins... always makes the enemy jump...lolz.

It is your fault, it is nobody else s' fault other than yours.. I have Kagero, Yugumo, Shimakaze, Kitakaze, Asashio, AsashioB, Hatsaharu, Shiratsuyu, Mutsuki, Fubuki etc etc so I do know what I am talking about.. Shimakaze has 5.6km concealment and can have 6.4km torps @ 81 knots, 8km torps @ 76 knots up to the crappy 20km... you get in close, watching the mini map, you remember the radar and hydro capabilities of your enemy to avoid detection, you remember where enemy ships popped up and you fire your torpedoes between 6km-7km thus avoiding GK hydro and the ship goes boom... Learn your ship before you complain. You don't need Potatoes in the enemy team to win you just need to play better.

I never complain about radar as it rarely bothers me... I took the time to learn enemy radar ranges...

How you get shredded by GK with 5.6km concealment or Yugumo @ 5.5km or even Kageroo @ 5.4km shows the OP is not ready to play IJN DD's... GK hydro is 6km.

If you are answering like this you're not ready for any high tier IJN and it is as simple as that... The rewards come from being aggressive and smart... If you cannot judge how to avoid air detection and surface detection with 5.6km concealment you're in the wrong tier...If you don't know the radar and hydro ranges of your enemy you're in the wrong tier... You complaints show you're not ready and if you cannot take criticism you're certainly not ready.

You are the one complaining... as a Shima you should have 5.6km concealment which means the GK cannot spot you above 6km because his Hydro is not good enough.. Sounds to me like you don't know your Destroyer that well.. so yes it is down to you. FYI I love attacking GK and I attack from 6km-7km and my torpedoes never miss even if GK has Hydro up.

So go closer before you fire them and use faster torpedoes..

So adapt.. On My Shimakaze I use 8km @ 76 or 6.4km @ 81.. My Yugumo is also 8km @ 76... The closer you are the harder it is for your target to dodge them and it also helps if you don't fire at the bow or stern.. If you come in from the blind angles undetected how can they avoid them unless your firing solutions don't account for ship speed and torpedo speed? You don't just fire using the guide do you? You will almost certainly miss if you do...Perhaps you just need to change how you do things. When firing my torpedoes I try not to be over 7km before firing them at my target... and I never use the 20km crap.

Yeah, fair point. I am not that tech savvy in comparison to others..

They just reverse to the previous version...as long as someone remember to back up..

Don't take too long about it because if this goes wrong, as many players fear, you're going to lose a great deal of income by losing time served players who spend money because they enjoy the game..

My premium time ends 3 days after the change and so I will have 72 hours to decide whether I shall continue with this game or not... I have adapted to every change WG has made since I began in 2016 but given what I have seen in the testing videos and comments from seasoned players..well I shall just wait and see.

@fodder89 I have known Carrier captains to forget that the number 1 controls their ship and thinking that they have directed their aircraft for an attack they sail to destruction whilst dealing with other things..

@RAHJAILARI it is a shame if they don't deal with these kinds of players because it really does ruin the enjoyment factor when you have to have these people on your team...

Already done. WG said that I should of used the in game report key but have taken this up from my ticket for further investigation. Maybe they found something from the replay they can use...

You cannot rely on teams in random to be coordinated or smart and so Div DD's will sometimes work together as a team.. One spots, one attacks swapping roles as they move along..One caps and one protects usually the benefit from this is that they react immediately and together. Many times these players save games and snatch victory because they are playing as one.. I had a game recently in my Scharnhorst with my clan mate also Scharnhorst and between us, on the 1-3 lines from J to A, we sank a Bismarck, Monarch, Cleveland, Kagero and Benson. We combined our fire on visible ships doubling the damage and our combined AA against the enemy CV succeeded in taking out 29 of his planes and we finally capped the enemy base.. I succumbed to an enemy torpedo attack from the CV at the end but my clan mate finished the cap unmolested because there was no one left to contest us..

Not all victories today but some really high scoring games and others where I was the eyes of the team or the primary cap tasker. Karma up by +9 so someone was happy...lolz In Yugumo I was relegated to spotting and Capping when a salvo that was intended for Moskva somehow caused damage to me taking me down to 57 health points.....

I have just finished a game in my Kitakaze with 4 clan members ( 2 each side ) and although I cannot prove it I am sure that the guys on my team were ghosting for their friends after being sunk.. They both died early and then the enemy ships had an uncanny knowledge of where our ships were... right down to our afk J line camping Jutland... Every time I went for the cap, unspotted, not radar detected, the Roon and Mogami immediately changed course heading for my location... the Mogami was one of the clan members. The minute I turned from them to retreat they then went for another ship.. In the end as they picked off ship after ship the game became pointless....

When did the Asashio scar you so? What made you so bitter against this fine little DD? I have seen the Shatter Skill used by Mesmers in Guild Wars to combat Illusion spells.. for you to try to use it here... oh the horror. I feel all DD's deserve respect because in the right hands they are pivotal... at least until the update later this month...

That's it just ruin my dreams... I am off to the Pub to drown in a Beer...

I still like the Asashio/B in the right hands she is a great tool and lethal...

I have many DD's and will list their concealment's for you: All DD's also have the -3% to detection camouflage with the elite camouflage or those obtained from containers (Type 5). CE= Concealment expert (Level 4 skill) CSM1 = Concealment System Modification 1 PA. Yeuyang 5.8km with CE, CSM1. Chung Mu 5.7km with CE and CSM1. USA. Gearing 5.6km with CE and the Legendary Mod. Fletcher 5.8km with CE and CSM1. Benson 5.8km with CE and CSM1. Kidd is 5.8km with CE and CSM1. Nicholas 5.8km with CE. Smith 5km with CE. German. Z-52 6.1km with CE and CSM1. Z-46 5.9km with CE and CSM1. Z-39 is 6.1km with CE and CSM1. T-22 is 5.7km with CE. G-101 5.8km with CE. IJN. Shimakaze 5.6km with CE and CSM1. Yugumo 5.5km with CE and CSM1. Kitakaze 5.9km with CE and CSM1. Kagero 5.4km with CE and CSM1. Asashio and Asashio B 5.4km with CE and CSM1. Shiratsuyu 5.8km with CE. Hatsuharu 5.8km with CE. Fubuki 6.1km with CE. Mutsuki 6.0km with CE. Minekaze 5.4km with CE. Tachibana L 4.7km with CE. UK Lightning 5.5km with CE and CSM1. Cossack 5.5km with CE and CSM1. Gallant 6km with CE. Cambletown 5.8km with CE. French. Aigle is 6.8km with CE. Russian. Gnevny 6.1km with CE. Commonwealth. Vampire 5.7km with CE. Hope this helps. Edit: Just noticed @Rusty_9has also listed a full chart.

Yes thank you @Riselotte you are correct 5.4km concealment not 5.5km and yes my camouflage is in order... I got my range mixed up with my other DD's of which I have many. We are talking about the Asashio(B) not Kagero but yes Kagero would work just as well... and does. As to the 6km torpedo attack the closer the Torpedo attack the more torpedoes hit the target the greater the damage the more likely the kill... again not limited to Asashio(B) but the topic is about them.. isn't it? So I got the AA wrong then... I have nearly 20 DD's so you'll have to forgive the error. The last quote was for the benefit of people who do not know how to use DD's.. I cannot find a part of my post that stated no other DD can do these tasks so that last comment had no relevance to me.. unless can you show me where I said that? So why are you dissecting my post again?

I have the Asashio and Asashio B... I am a DD player and find my Asashio(s) a great DD to play even though they are only T8. Amazing concealment at 5.5km means you can spot for fun, just remember radar or hydro capabilities of your enemy and they'll never find you, Asashio is good for capping and later in the game good for hunting BB's.. So what if she can't sink DD's or Cruisers with torpedoes; just skillfully latch on to a BB get closer to your target fire your torpedoes at 6km and those torpedoes don't half sting.. Her guns are good but you must know your enemy before you engage. Her AA defence capability isn't bad either for a DD. The player determines the performance of the Asashio.. in some games you will not accrue a massive damage total but you will cap, spot and in general keep the enemy guessing.. In other games if enemy DD's and Radar Cruisers are down you can achieve some good numbers.. DD's must be versatile and sometimes just being the eyes of the team is enough.. does it matter you finish low down the list in a victory if you have provided the targets for your allies to kill? A win is a win... Asashio in my opinion, despite the torpedo limitations, has much to offer.