Migantium_Mashum

What does it take, given the voiced discontent on this forum and on other forums, for people to understand that 8.0 has done great harm to the game? My screenshots showed player numbers as low as 17,000 at peak time... (Archived). The Polls are all against the rework (Archived) WG staff refuse to answer direct questions and posts are (Archived) WG says we are not moving to console yet launch a console version (Legends) PC WOWs is safe.... yet discontent gets archived. The whole rework was such a fiasco that hot fixes came thick and fast... All this discontent because WG wished to pander to 4% of the player base... MK I love debating with you but how can you say "You can't know whether this is a majority or not?" The highest percentage of players responding don't like the rework... If this game was 100% F2P WG could do as it pleases but it isn't and a lot of paying/playing players feel very very cheated... WG has suffered a loss of trust and this will ultimately cost them a lot of money..

Try to fight with numbers okay MK... Here are just 3 screenshots of 3 polls just for you.. what doesn't speak cannot lie... and these are not mine. Poll 1. Poll 2. Poll 3. Amazingly all these were Archived... you want some more?

I loved playing against a good RTS CV captain as a DD... I am sitting in front of my screen watching the planes coming in... I know he wants me dead... I slow down, I begin to zig zag, speed up, hit boost... I never smoked because there were some really good cross torp droppers.. You were constantly watching the lines the aircraft flew and making your turns to thwart the enemy CVs torpedo bombers.. your AA is active and if you have DFAA you are either activating or counting the seconds...and if he gets you well then... it was of course and always should be "Well played good kill." and why not?? If he didn't get you you breathed a sigh of relief and made good your escape.. your heart is pounding and you cannot believe your luck.. now you want your revenge. 1 v 1 DD V CV it was just as intense, he knows he must sink you and he has to concentrate 100% on you which means your team are free from his attention and your allied CV if he remains can go to do his bloody work... as a DD if you avoid his attacks you pummel his backside with HE until you can get in for your torpedoes.. you fire him and he is even more disabled.. you kill him and the sound of the CV death Nell shrieks though your speakers. "Who's next?" WG wants more players so to achieve this they have to provide a game that fits the level of the moron... the player that does not want to use their brain.. the MineCraft generation. So how long do you think this game will retain the morons when they decide that they want to try other ships? But wait, dumb down those too... all for the 4%.. makes perfect sense.

Go through the Archived posts on this and other forums... WG archived them for a reason. Every Archived poll showed a majority against the rework, of those who took part, I did not see a single post that had a greater percentage of happy post 8.0... what does not speak cannot lie a little like my screenshots on server numbers that were also Archived quicker than butter sliding down a red hot knife...

Post 8.0 CV's are. So the rework for the 4% of RTS CV's actually achieved nothing after all except piss off the other 96%... just like the testers told WG before the launch. Please don't give WG any more ideas... people are still suffering from this one.

I did better with screenshots...for 5 and a half hours I screenshot server numbers... I posted them and my posts were archived after an idiot tried to tell me that when my screenshot showed 19,000 players there was actually 27,001 players on the EU server. You couldn't write it... Was trying to help you with 10% but there we go by your own admission only 4% were playing CV's..you're making this too easy mate.. Makes it all the more sensible for WG to piss off 96% of the player base doesn't it. Again what majority despised RTS CV's? CV players? DD's? BB's? Cruisers? Where is the nonsense? Look through the Archived posts of this forum and the others (Google Translate will help you) see for yourself..or don't and keep being the advocate. I didn't despise RTS CV's..My Clan of which all but 1 have quit since 8.0 didn't despise RTS CV's either... I actually enjoyed facing them...

Why because you're a lone voice in a sea of discontent? What @ForlornSailorsaid is echoed by more people on more WOW forums than the whole 8.0 CV fan club in its entirety ... you saying that the majority are wrong? That smacks of arrogance. It isn't manners that have taken a nosedive but the intelligence of the rework brigade who can see nothing is wrong... don't get hurt when WG slams into the brick wall.

Nobody ever crap on a decent RTS CV... a decent RTS CV captain took the time to learn his ship and was quite lethal...but the new CV influx want Boom Boom Zoom Zoom without having to bother learning their game so we have big numbers low skill.... Now, given the loss of players who have already left or stopped giving WG money you'd better understand the mentality of your opponents will at best be 10 year olds and at worst be the BOTS. But, I am glad that the majority of the 10% CV player base are happy as you claim... you 10% might just end up being all that remains. Erm...what majority? RTS CV's accounted for what 10% of the player base pre 8.0...some majority there... what about the other 90% or does your Abacus have a malfunction? Before 8.0 I did not see the volume of dissatisfaction that has been shown since 8.0. Take a trip through the Archived posts you'll see. How many polls did WG archive that showed the majority of those who took part in the poll "Did Not" like the rework? Plenty and not just in the English Forum hence WG archiving them as fast as possible. If WG won't throw away the rework they are working damn hard to curtail CV performance.... aren't they?? You'd think that they realised there was something wrong with The Flying Shima the rework. Who pays WG staff when the revenue falls...you? F2P this game may be but free from cost it isn't. Oh and check out the Poll results here also...seems you're in the minority after all.

Which is what you had with RTS CV's and I used to love my DD main when the CV was after you.. Moving left, right, slowing down or speeding up.. was damn exciting...then trying to avoid a cross torp drop with your fingers crossed and coming out without a scratch.. CV then either recalls planes or continues to spot you..but you had a chance as a DD. CV's could also actively stop enemy CV attacks...save your team shoot down the enemy planes..you were the hero even if you had a low damage score. But MrConway says no console gameplay even though it is released on Legends for console... Contradiction? Not according to him.. Post Archived... PC WOWs is safe and we are supposed to take them at their word... Do you trust them? To play any ship in WG you had to get good, learn the ship... it took me over 12 months for it to click... too many immature players want results yesterday with no effort.. and the new zoom, zoom, boom , boom CV players won't stay long so what then to fill the vaccuum.. Oh yeah "Submarines" that should be fun to implement. You won't either. 21 paying/playing players I know of have quit the game.. + me... I talk to others who say their Clans are almost idle because nobody plays... and this is success?? Not quite what I understand success to mean but WG are foreign so perhaps it is lost in translation.. Someone told me that the amount of games played has dropped by almost 1,000,000 and when I observed server numbers, with screenshots, they were down by over 1/3rd and I then suffered the clown telling me 27,000 people were playing when my screenshot showed only 19,000..which was so funny. Oh post archived again.... wonder why.. And then we get the usual forum CV advocates whining because after "The Flying Shimakaze" WG finally cotton on to the up they have created and pull back on the leashes of the God Like Stallions they have let loose upon the game.. So unfair eh? @MrConway how about WG just says "Sorry". The rework was a failure... or are you just going to wait until everyone has gone and you're left with the 10 year olds.

I voted with my wallet. It doesn't matter, this tweak, this nerf, WG really only pandered to the incompetent RTS CV player at the expense of every other class in the game with 8.0.. WG refuse to answer questions and then archive posts on this forum because they are slightly uncomfortable with the questions... Hence we have the hard post 8.0 nerfs which cause the CV Babies to whine foul..After the flying Shima like wtf do you expect? Anyone with half a brain knows WG made a big mistake... but the game now panders to those with no brain. Let's see how the revenue charts add up in 5 months time.. This game may be F2P but without paying players who pays the staff..I haven't played a game nor have I spent a penny since 8.0+2. Your 10 year old arcade players won't stay for long when there are only BOTS to play against... Numbers are down, guarantee revenues are down... good way to fcuk up a great game...still that's the norm for WG. Now the zoom, zoom, boom, boom arcade CV players cry ... whatever. Better things to spend my money on better companies to spend it with who value their contributors..

CV's were apparently broken before 8.0..after 8.0 the CV's become Gods pissing off the other 90% of players. Many stop playing, even more stop spending... if you think WG is still going to pander to the 10% over the 90% well you're living in Cuckoo Land. WG needs revenue so CV's have to take the hit...just like everyone else did in 8.0...and you whine..that's so funny.

I am sure before 8.0, players knew how to use their AA already...and when we had AA manual control we used it better by targeting the most dangerous aircraft first. Yeah because when 8.0 came out it was so popular with the other 90% of the player base wasn't it... wasn't it? NVM don't get hurt... Where is the skill? Zoom zoom boom boom return repeat... you can't even support your team with fighters to dissuade the enemy CV from attacking... in fact the new CV is no longer a team player.. the game is stifled and about as much fun as watching paint dry. So you whine for the 10%..comfortable for you mean discomfort for the 90%... perhaps World of Warships isn't your game so try World of Warplanes instead. Heard several players might leave... I personally know of 20 who have quit since 8.0...all contributors to the WG pot. You operate your planes with a mouse not a Joystick how more comfortable do you want the game play?

Found an interesting statement from a contributor to WOWs Facebook who claims to have played this game on his PS4... Interesting to hear from @MrConway on this one... considering you said that this game wasn't moving to console. I asked for the link.

@Lord_of_NOOB You can already follow your allies after you have being sunk.. Although there is merit in your suggestion I don't think it would be practical at all. You're sunk, you're out of the game... If you wanted to learn how your team mates play perhaps having a spectator indicator of action might help? i.e a spectator icon showing when a ship employs radar or hydro, speed boost, changes from HE to AP, torpedo firing solutions..etc etc so a spectator can watch how his ally plays his ship... maybe?

It wasn't just the DD's who complained now was it? The CV population was at its height never more than 10% of the paying/playing population so you're saying that upto 90% of the player base, who don't play CV's, have to suffer for the CV rework.. that's crazy. In my opinion the CV rework was a disaster and every other class suffered because of it... the other classes stopped playing and stopped spending...so you think that WG, needing income to advance the game and pay their employees wages, is going to sacrifice up to 90% of its revenue to keep the 10% CV players happy... that would be one way to ensure that your opponents as a CV player will only ever be BOTs.. For companies like WG numbers are important and faced with such overwhelming negative opinions what choices did they have? I never minded CV's, I am not a CV hater, but the rework created ships to which there was no defense.. hence the anger from the other players.. I have tried CV's under RTS and found the class is not for me.. I have played in practice rooms and found the new CV is also not for me.. My highest RTS was Saipan.. for some people it clicks for others not. In my opinion the new CV rework should have been finished before the release.. and if it could not be finished it should have been abandoned. A good RTS CV captain was a lethal opponent but to me it seems too many lower skilled players wanted an easy ride to high scores without the efforts of learning the game... that goes for every class.

I logged in to my ghost account yesterday and over 5 & 1/2 hours between 1630-2200 hrs screenshot player numbers which I posted on another topic about server numbers. Maximum yesterday (Saturday) was 24,464 between 1800hrs-2015hrs GMT before dropping off to 20,200 between 2015 & 2200 hrs. Friday wasn't much better and dropped alarmingly to less than 18,000 players at what you'd think was prime time... Not really sure what this means but numbers are definitely not what they were.

I did something tonight over the course of the last 5 & 1/2 hours, between 1630-2200 hrs GMT to try to see how the player numbers were doing. People are putting up charts and numbers but nobody has actually taken screenshots over a set period of time... so this is what I did. To me the numbers don't look good.. at 2002 hrs GMT the game peaks at 24,464 people on the sever.. whether that transfers to active or passive players I don't know, but I know I wasn't playing. I know there are many screenshots but I couldn't think of any other way to do it. What doesn't speak cannot lie...

But, do you think they will take any notice? I don't and numbers are already down... all this for less than 10% of the player base... good economics (Not)

Same for me... the desire to play has evaporated whilst the game remains as it is..

Not every AFK can help being AFK... I have experienced times when the game does not load and sits with the wheel turning.. so I think you're being a little unfair. It once took me about five minutes to get into a game in my Shimakaze and I was cursed the minute I appeared by the team even after apologising and explaining the game had just hung, the game would not load so I rebooted to get in. After sinking 6 ships though they became less vocal...

Last night... 9pm and just after 10pm on a Friday night... If these numbers aren't low for Friday night prime time.... then I don't know what is.

See your lack of interest, raise it with shits not given. A lot of players who have spent many years playing this game, spending a great deal of money, feel cheated. The fact you don't is fine but given the uproar from others the rework was a disaster..with the exception of the old RTS CV players, who amounted to 10% of the gaming group, who couldn't be bothered to learn how to play and so cried and cried... Every class has suffered for an unfinished product and premium account holders pay with their premium time to be guinea pigs. Premium ships purchased before the rework became useless and nobody should be venting anger? FYI I haven't played since the rework +2 and I hang around just in case WG switch their brain on but with every passing day the desire to stay diminishes.... Oh and of the people who have taken part in the poll 69.3% aren't happy... you'll soon only have BOTs to play with... real fun then.

See my other thread about the validity of your claims..

27,000...omg.. of course there were..keep dreaming fella. Still cannot find 27,000, you have a screenshot? Of course you don't. And of the people who responded to this poll 66.83% don't like the rework..