ForlornSailor

Hint: Check the cruisers skills and then think about how Atlanta will look like ;) But yes, cruisers lose everything. They will get more damage from CVs, have more accurate BBs shoot at them, will have less tools to dodge torps (Vigilance gone) while those torps will deal more damage. FTFY. Seriously, I can see WG devs raging and punching their screens, while playing BBs and shouting "THIS ATLANTA !!! IT BURNED ME DOWN AAGAAAAAIN - JUST WAIT FOR NEXT REWORK MY FRIEND, ILL TEACH YOU!!!" I have no other explanation.

Possible. IMO - the description still leaves some room for this not beeing possible tho. We shall see, maybe they will clarify aswell.

Asashio in T10 game anyone? 20% faster torp reload?

Optimal would be one entire patch, I concider 2 weeks the absolut minimum tbh. This remains to be seen. There are multiple ways to interpret, what WG is doing. its either: - A captain is stuck to one class (unlikely, since they mention, its possible to change between classes, eventhough this might just be hinting at a complete reset of skills) - A captain has different skill trees for each class. You can switch between classes and then have access to different skills accordingly -- Addition to that: a captain might have 4 seperate counters for skills points. Say you have 19 pt right now on Yamato/BB captain. So after the change you can redistibute 19 points on BB skills. Its possible to switch to a cruiser BUT the captain has 0 skill points there. No penatly is applied for switchting to a (premium) cruiser but you have to start from scratch.

Atleast for this game - this is completly wrong. There is a lot of interesting things to go back. For example historic ships. I used to play lower tiers all the time, T4 to T7 I played constantly, pretty much every session I logged on. Because I like the ships from this time and the gameplay is different aswell. Quite the opposite tho: there is actually nothing, that justifies only playing T10, with the exeption of beeing always the high tier ship, which isnt a big deal in this game anyway. Oh but needless to say, with CV rework beeing greeeaat success and T7 matchmaking change + IFHE rework - I do not play <T7 anymore. And it looks like, many players are unwilling to. Lower tiers in wows never had a problem to populate games. Only recently.

Ive checked last weeks EU-server numbers and almost 30% of T4 ships played by humans were CVs. No wonder its not possible to fill games with real players. Cruisers are way below 25% of the population on that tier.

Which tech tree ships, which premiums and more important - what players?

From my experiance, ships like Smolensk (and f.e. Benham goes in the same category) are bad ships for a (strong) division. Because a unicum division will usualy push the enemys away from them. Sure, really bad players dont are and still yolo suicide into you, but then the ship you are in dont matter an inch. But to stay on Smolensk: Ive had rather bad results in her in divisions, the better games were actually in 2x divisions, since I got more possibilities to deal damage. Much better ship in division: radar Minotaur. Same for Benham. I dont bring her out in divisions anymore. Fletcher, Jutland, Udaloi or Chung Mu is what I recently play. Higher impact on the outcome of the game. Same reason I dont bring Friesland in a division. Id rather go for Z-46.

Only if the player of the Buffalo knows what he is doing tho ;) Basically the same as here: OPs point there isnt a contradiction at all. If you want to claim, that there are no newbs in high tier premium ships, that dont belong there, then we must play a different game. On the other hand, an experianced player in such a ship... WG could easily prove this to us. Just stell Stalingrad for money and you will see the huge difference in the stats (although Stalingrad has been dropped constantly over the years, since the availablity increased). And to jump to OPs defence some more: He does have some points. Overly focused on p2w, as many pointed out. Id rather say its p2l. People shortcutting their own skill-development by throwing money out is seriously jeopardizing the entire gaming experiance for everyone. Also, I heavily disagree since their release, that ships like Alaska/Kronshtadt are in the same class as Neptune or Seattle and I will continue to do so. Again, not so much of a p2w-problem, but rather a balancing thing. As I wrote: call it p2l and it all makes sense...

You need to concider the possibility, that Zao just isnt your thing or you havent really found out how to play her. Want to see my T9 Cruiser and DD results sorted by avg damage? So should I start a topic, how OP DDs are? Forum would rip my head of - rightfully so. I just know, im way better in DDs, thus I can look at the performances in relation. But ok, you said you gonna do 100 battles. Seems like you realized yourself, your conclusion came a little early.

Im bad at imagining things. It also leaves room for speculation. Just take the easy route: show us. Try hard. Do 10 battles now. What im expecting from your talk is 9 out of 10 wins (ill let 8 count) and avg damage of >150.000. Ill be waiting. And gladly agree with all the points you made, once you´ve accomplished your own set task.

lul. I've seen many lazy CV players. They exist. A lot of them. All they do is fly their planes into flak. And cry when it does not work.

Super bad CV player confirmed.

Id like them to learn in the first place. In the second place, have an economy in place, that stops them from playing T9/T10 constantly. Seriously, the best game, the best experiance for all of us will be achieved, if we have a playerbase, that is interested in winning, knows the mechanics and knows their ship. If you ease the games for them - you will achieve the opposite. My opinion. Games will still be piss poor, if people dont need to perform to get what they want - which is XP, credits and wins.

Yea seriously. Playing a game? unheard of. From now on, I shall demand, that when I download / buy a game, then install and start the first time it says "YOU WIIIIIN" right away - followed by the outro video. Then I can feel good and deinstal. I beat the game guys, full 100% !

Upload 2 or 3 replays? Maybe you can do something different. Your numbers look good, eventhough I wouldnt pick FdG personally. But again numbers look good...

Technically, it shouldnt concern you, as you could just ignore it (as long as it isnt required to play for some event or gives any special rewards ofc) but the question remains, how would such a gamemode, that plays so differently, influence the playerbase? It kinda gives a "wrong" (maybe call it different) idea on how the game is played. I can see both sides of the coin. Oh yes, and if you make it permanently, bump up divisions to 3 persons - this way, its a random 3x3 mode aswell as a clan brawl 3x3 mode at the same time. win-win.

Clan Brawl is 3x3 on the exact same maps, im telling you for the 2nd time now. If you cant understand - I cant help you, as with other things - problem is with you. Wow, you can 3 containers per day, can select coal everytime, up to 3600 coal per day + 360 coal clan bonus, within 3 days you can have over 10.000 coal, WG is giving it to you just for playing their freakin game. Such a paywall, gathering coal, such a must, playing ranked. not. You used the word "IDIOT" and claimed, he used it. And ofc you fail to quote, where he supposedly said this. Stop the whine. get over you not having a Pommern. leave me alone. Grow up. You are even too blind to see, that you are constantly beeing aggressive & insulting, yet you arent shy to put yourself in the victim-position in the same frequency. hypocrisy. End of story, you are going to the block list, waste of time to talk to you. Enjoy your next Ranked´n´Rage, good luck.

You do know, that this same gamemode with the -exact- same maps was used prior several times in clan brawl? While Pommern wasnt even announced? How does this fit in your narrative? Let me answer: it doesnt. You do know there are - randoms - coop - operations - training room - clan battles going on all the time as we speak? That plenty. Go pick another one. Nobody forces you to play ranked. There is nothing there that you cant get any other way. Sounds like the child, that eats all the candy in the backseat of the car, while family is driving home, and cries his eyes out in the evening, when his smart brother saved half his candy and enjoys them now while watching his favourte cartoon. Got only yourself to blame. And didnt you get another ship for your coal before? Ah you are putting words into other peoples mouths, even claming they insulted other players? He never said anything close to this. I can see your level of discussing now. Shame on you. The only one who is constantly blaming someone else - is you. Rest of your rant is not worth the time to read, strawmans, putting words in my mouth, usual blabla of someone who had a bad season because he didnt knew how to play his ship and now needs a place to vent.

The reason, why Alaska was strong in this gamemode, is easy to explain. First, it has vitually no citadel and super strong AP. It almost counts as a BB. This is even more pronouned in a 3x3, since you can keep her easier safe from beeinf outflanked and HE spam from light cruiser is non-existent. Then when you pick Alaska, you place another cruiser on the enemy team. Quite often something else then an Alaska, so a ship, which doesnt have the mentioned boni. And last but on least: BBs were super popular. So you had many games with 2 BB and 1 Cruiser. 2 BBs + Alaska vs. 2 BBs + lets say Neptune (ive been in such a game, we lost because of the Cruiser picks) - huge advantage für the Alaska-side. So its not only the ship, its the environment that made Alaska so strong. If DDs would have been popular, Alaska wouldnt have done this good. Even the radar wouldnt help, because of the low dpm. Put 2 teams like this: Z-46/Fletcher/Neptune vs Z-46/Fletcher/Alaska and my money would be on the Neptune-team (given decent players/equal skill level). Was it? Maybe a little. Then again - is it wrong? We are playing a f2p title. So WG creates a gamemode, in which the new released ship performs good (not OP), to give a little incentice to get this ship. Thats how these games work? Wows is nowhere near to the most annoying f2p-titles, where you cant play at all if you dont open your wallet. You can play wows very nicely without ever spending a single cent. You can even get Pommern without spending a cent, at this point, its not even hard. All you have to do is invest some time and play the game. Is playing the game too much to ask? Really? how come? I didnt get Pommern. I concider myself a good player. I didnt feel this was an elitist insult, as you claim - yet it should hit me according to your definition. Why do you play a ship that you know of is unsuited? Then you have only yourself to blame? You are punishing yourself. Do you steer your bike on the highway and shout at the cars honking at you? Is it the fault of the company, that build the highway, that you dont have a car to pick? Isnt it rather your own fault for driving a bike where it doesnt belong to? Victim Blaming? Rigging the game mode to monetize Pommern? Seriously? And what would you prefer WG to do, please enlighten us. Create only bad premium ship that nobody wants? Because else they might give you an advantage? Then how does WG create money from this game? Maybe they should introduce a monthly mandatory server fee instead? I personally could live with that, if that brings some changes to the game. But since you seem so eager to not spend anything on this game - wouldnt you exclude yourself from the game then, if you´d have to pay 10 € per month to access the game? thats how it looks from over here.

Absolutly right. Add to that: Dont know how to play the game as any class. There is nothing to be learned on lower tiers now. Games are filled with bots since almost 30% of the ships played by human on T4 are CVs now. Thats actual statistic from last week, I didnt made this up.

And to be fair, you had it so easy, since obviously you all were intelligent and experianced players. You looked at the given environment, you analyised your strenghts and the enemys weaknesses. Based on that, you laied out a gameplan and executed it perfectly, since you have the ability, the skill to do so. You wouldnt have rushed against 3 DDs right? And thats just the difference here. The enemys on the other hand already made questionable ship picks. Granted, some players dont have all the tools available. But often enough the ship pick already points to lack of knowledge, lack of skill. Thus the better player(s) won.

Add to that: in RTS times, CVs did not produce such aweful numbers. Skill gap anyone? But people will tell you about "RTS CVs shut down the other CV with fighters so couldnt do anything" - yet the numbers totaly dismiss this claim as lies. Reason for that is simple: most of the times, incapable to mediocre CV player faced a .... incapable to mediocre CV player, thus both were useless with the fighter planes, thus both could deal damage to the enemys. These days, they fail in the flak, beeing useless always. every single game. And thats how you produce 4500 avg damage with T8 and T10 CVs in ~ 100 battles or more. Now I could go on, predicting what people will throw at me to counter this argument fact, but lets see and wait if we gonna turn in the circle for the nth time, or if we move forward at some point. And why am I back here?

I wouldnt. Why would I want to wait to get more i*****s on my side? Because thats what you are asking for. The only group, that would love your suggestion, is the horde of 40% players with less then 10k avg damage in their HE-Shooting, range-mod, AFT-build, SE Kurfürsts & Yamatos. No. its RANDOM. Thus this happens SOMETIMES. but not ALWAYS. Are we clear on this one? Yes? Yes. YES! Thus it should not be "fixed" since there is nothing to fix. You want to rig the matchmaker against good players. Which will make them leave since they will always be paired with mouth breathers. Now you secretly would love this (ofc you will not admit this, since it would be admitting the real reason behind your cheap argument), because YOU want to win more. Its the only reason to come up with such an idea, since you are angry, that you lose against better players. Thing is: how long you gonna enjoy your position as a better player, when the Super unicums left, hm? two handful of games. Then the game will hard-boot you down, when you overperfrom. Overperform would be: winning more then 5 games out of 10. So you get all the schmocks on your team from now you. Then you can start to complain when you lose against teams full of 50%s because your teammates are all afk, beached at an island or hugging the border, shooting HE. Eventuelly, you would quit too since you are pissed off - thanks to your own proposal. End-of-story.

One again: its the ship pick. Why do you think, Friesland is a good pick in this environment?