ForlornSailor

Isnt it nice, when you meet someone from the forums, that you had a "friendly discussion" earlier, on how to play the game? And you can finaly settle this once and for all? So, WG & RNG gave me the opportunity with @skdKitsune today. I think we both know now, whos the better player, right? Hows border hugging in the Yamato working out for you?

And there we are, always wondering, why there are so many potatoes in this game. No wonder, concidering, those ships had dedicated potatoes stowages *cough number 73 cough*

Yea, only 2. Cuz besides those 2 there are 98 more T10s, Kurfürst, Yamato... and.... and... oh wait. And btw - Yamatos concealment is better then Moskva. So maybe it should join the first 2 in having good stupid concealment.

Well if you dont see the shell arcs haveing any impact, then I dont see anything you claim making the difference to Chapa having any impact :) Case closed, we stay with what @DFens_666 @Exocet6951 and @iJoby suggested. Good that we finaly agree!

Right... the famous T 10... where BBs have better concealment then cruiser. totaly balanced!

So in return you get +1 if you get reported? Else you couldnt possibly have positive 15, right ? :p You havent played much RN CLs and RN BBs I guess, cuz --> play RN-ships = get reported. You can count on that.

No they are not. Not by a long shot if you start to compare Cleveland / other US-arcs vs Chapayev / other RU with 152mm+. Moskva is the worst.

Ok, thats nice to hear. I was projecting what I saw recently into you, thats why I came on pretty harsh. Sorry for that, frustration of the last days.... The trust in the own capabilities is ofc a factor to kep in mind. Everyone should have this awerness. I can give you one advice on the way, that will help you a lot in DD-play: Learn the detection ranges of all DDs (or install a mod, that will show it to you, altough learning is the better way.) Then, lower the detectionrange of your own DD as low as possible - camo + CE captainskill. Next step: when a round starts, you check for three things: - Is there a CV? - Is there a Cruiser that can have Radar? - Is there a DD with same or lower concealment then mine? If you answer all those questions with "no", you are free to go. You dont need to fear anything really, unless you steam full ahead towards the enemy.

Trust me, you dont understand what the video is about.... The better player won. Most likely not.

Yea, i´d call that build unrecommenable at best...

@Excavatus Im sorry to point that out, but you are a prime example of that group of players that I often talk about. Which would be: playing so obviously wrong, that it hurts but thinking, you are doing everything perfect, thus even having the guts to call others mouthbreathers. Only yesterday Ive had 2 examples of players, that fit your "playstyle". Both made us lose. And I only played 3 rounds! First a shima. From the start he is moving only half-speed towards B and not going straight for the cap, rather like there is a magnetic force pushing him away. So Im trying to strenghen his selfesteem by telling him: Im gonna support him on B and gonna use my radar if there is enemy DD. He doesnt answer and keeps moving cowardly, until he is near the cap, gliding sideways. Then, B starts turning red. He speeds up, running away. This was absolutly what he wanted. In what book is this DD-Play? Second - a Gearing. Okinawa. He bails from spawn towards A. Enemy has two DDs, we have three. B and C are contested pretty fast, which means, A is clear of DD. Gearing is going low speed around A, doing nothing. So im starting to get pissed with that guy. Im telling him: Either cap A, cuz there is no DD, or get yo a$$ over and support the other DDs in the contested caps. Nothing happends. Someone else is telling the Gearing - more harsh now - to go cap A. He is moving in. He spots a Missouri, that is now almost in the cap aswell (keep in mind, a BB reaching the cap at the same time as a DD - and god knows from where the Missouri came?? So what does Gearing do? Naturally. GO IN THE CAP AND SMOKE UP. So he gets deleted by Missouri and then starts blaiming the team, cuz WE MADE HIM GO IN THE CAP AND SAID, THERE IS NOTHING. Other then that, the most crazy stuff ive seen is a Shima going around the cap and then opening his guys on a group of 4 or 5 ships like he is a Khaba... or a BB.

This. You wouldnt let ppl drive cars without passing a test & taking lessons either, just cuz there are other ways to learn it then the offical way.

Your opening already makes no sense. First, a total complaint about the topic itself, then talking about respecting it. Which one is it? cant be both. Also - who is "we"? What kind of madeup-majority are you talking for? Did you have some sort of written-task to represent "them" in the forums? As long as the answer is "no", please, in the future use "I" instead of plural. Again, talking for a huge mass of players. You know every Player? You see each and every game going down in wows? Thats what you claim. "BBs are never at fault, I know all BB Players and all games." Redicolous... Congratulations. You are playing your class as wrong as possible. You ARE the meatshield by defintion. Now, go on tell me, I havent figured BBs and tell me again your logic on how BBs have to play. Meanwhile, I checked our stats and im an easily 10% better in WR then you in BBs with doing ~33% more kills.

On top of that - he is worse then the avarage player. And we all know how good avarage is. 28,5k avarage damage in a T4 BB is far from beeing a "king". Just FYI - I have 69k avg in my T4 BB... You need to understand, that there is something wrong with you. Not with the ship. Cant make it any clearer.

Today was really some of the worst Ive seen lately. Simply unplayable. 3x T10 BBs sitting in spawn. I radar PADD + Edinburgh in B cap as a last resort to stop the lose. Bring the PADD down just to be pounded from the Edinburgh for a total of ~23k dmg. He is standing still broadside to our 3 BBs. You think they are shooting? hell no. Then again. what else is new?

If you are trying to say, that you can not detonate if you are not getting hit - you couldnt be more wrong dude. So you might want to back down from trying to be smart...

Sorry to say, but your numbers you claim are not the reality: Edit: omg forum? https://imgur.com/a/02IpU You are doing bad overall in BBs. You might want to look for advice on how to play better.

Exactly one of my ideas from some time ago. There needs to be more of a reward, if someone activates his AA and is someone is not aware of an enemy plane closing in - why should his AA fire?

I have the same feeling about it. Thats true. It also made the skill gap bigger, leading to those games, where 1 CV, that is already very good, can roam free, cuz he is paired with a CV, that doesnt know what he is doing. I often have the feeling, that the "avarage-player" is missing in the CV-class. You have ppl dedicated to that class, playing hardly anything else. They managed to overcome all the changes in CV-gameplay and have been around so long, that they have all the CVs unlocked long time ago. New players have a hard time getting in that class - all the different reasons have been told many times before - and the avarage players simply have left the class of will at some point. If we were to talk about population / demography, we´d say we have a generation problem.

Using CE and hanging back doesnt really make sense, dont u think? Topic: Using it on all BBs expect german. Missouri / Texas (same captain) I went AFT first, cuz I dont have enought points yet. But CE will come next. The advantage of CE vs. FP: You can disengage easier thus dont even take fires, that you would stop from happening with FP. FP is a good pick on german BBs tho.

Why am I not surprised? Seriously. from where the game is going, especially recently, I think that WG devs are avarage in their own game at best. And there are enough examples to back up this suspicion. (what was it in that video? Im shy so i like to stay in the back with my BB) I never understood why ppl in wows show such a huge problem with learning teamwork. Overall all random games show really low skill, low tactical knowledge and even lower support / interaction between the classes. Maybe the game rewards avarage gameplay too much. The lonly border hugging BB is often the last man standing, so obviously he thinks, he is awesome while his team sucks. The DD that doesnt go for the objective but rather hunts the CV, thinking he will farm high damage - while the CV smelled this minutes ago and is already on the other side of the map - The cruiser that preserves his full health, hiding at a rock, thinking his tactic is superb, while 5 km away the teams last DD is having a gunbattle with another DD... list goes on really. This is an interesing view of things. While ive argued before, that CVs (should) have every right to punish a target, that is out of position, I never looked at it this way. Maybe you are right about the concept. Question is: did WG intent them to be like this? And: could this be changed? Also, foremost: SHOULD this be changed? I dont have an answer to that, nor am I sure which way I would lean (also depends, how would these changes look like, obviously). But it could be worth discussing. And with the current Meta and how CV-AA-interaction is setup, im sure you are right: Teams, playing perfect, would even lower the audience willing to play CVs. For people starting to play this game now and trying out CVs, there are already enough stones thrown in their way....

True. Stats support this, as we dont see Divisions with 100% WR. Not even close. Execption: Divisions with good CV achieve higher WRs then other Divisions.

yea well. you aint making the rules. For the third(?) time. Read what I say. You keep quoting me and talking about non-sense like CV-nerf. Thus my conclusion: You didnt read. Every time you prove me right.

4 pages down and you still have not understood, that its not HE who has a problem. Instead leaving another l2p-style comment. You reading comprehension is funny at best. If you dont understand, that there is a difference between a random game (which this ENTIRE topic evolves around) and a clangame, then im afraid, I cant help you anymore.

Again more out of context - off-topic blabla. You must be fun at partys.