ForlornSailor

I keep asking myself this question... and im a Cruiser main :/ Innitially, what I liked about them, is gone on many tiers. F.e. recently I unlocked Moskva. I waited almost a year to go there, cuz I pretty much knew, its not gonna be fun. And it hardly is. I dont understand why WG feels its ok to give Moskva worse or at best almost same concealment as BBs? Now someone will come with "Moskva is a BB with better relaod". Well, its not. It takes huge damage from everything, needs its captainskills for other things and cant deliver the same numbers in damage then a BB can in most situations. This one is seriously hillarious. After WG put in the RN BBs i really think, they had no clue how gameplay looks like. Take Orion, spam Cruisers at 14-16 km, disable their Engine + rudder with HE = they are DEAD in the water without the possibility to even fire back. Everytime I do this, I really feel for that Player - it stinks, its nasty. AND above all - it promotes camping gameplay for BBs - which is so often critizised. Rightfully. But why shall I get to 10-11 km (if we stay with Orion) when I hit almost as good from 14-16 km? HE does the trick anyway. What I like about Cruisers is: fast reload, option to go stealth, relocate fast, react to whats happening on the minimap, have torps, have accurate guns... Yea, some of those things dont apply to all cruisers, and there is already a problem. Also, I cant say it often enough - Give cruisers BOTH CONSUMABLES !!! DEF AA AND HYDRO !!! They need this to do their job... Ofc costs must be put in half. No wonder. I myself pretty much switched to RN Cruisers only. Their smoke + torps + low concleament make up for so many things which hurt cruisers right now... When I now see ships like Hipper or Kirov or Shorchs I ask myself right away: Why you guys do this to yourself? Played one last round Shorchs a few weeks ago, grinded it in 2016. No thanks man. Its horrible these days, nothing like it was a year ago...

RN CLs are pretty depended on external factors. Biggest is map, second to that team. If your DDs are worthless - you struggle. If you have to go to Tears of the Desert - you are screwed (atleast for the first part of the match). If however you get a decent map an ok-ish teammates (all they need to do is spot and dont border hug - all the RN CLs starting T6 have huge carry potential. Edinburgh is very close to Fiji. Same guns, same playstyle. The better concealment (T8 slot) makes is a better DD hunter tho. Neptune plays different then the three before (basicly, Leander is same as Fiji and Edinburgh, even more forgiving but less dmg-output.) About the Neptune: You get a new job which is to be a AA-Cruiser. While in Leander-Fiji-Edinburgh I often position myself away from the fleet, I want to be closer to it with Neptune. Two reasons: First, if you are away from the fleet, it might be, that after your smoke a DD came close to spot you. Leander to Edinburgh can deal with unexpected incoming fire better then Neptune. Thus you want to avoid the "oh F, im spotted" moments. Second, the AA. Nothing better then to disable everything thats flying around your smoke and the CV is wondering whats happening. I set a new record with Neptune in terms of planes shotdown in my 3rd game in it. Also, huge carry potential. It can devasted DDs so quick, if you can surprise them, its worth a rush, if you know, you will be undetected right after you took the DD down. Did it twice today in one round, it feels awesome.

If you know how to use google - its literally 5 sec away from you. We have 2017 dude....soon 2018. Also, posting that stuff here would violate rules badly. Are you trying to trick him into doing this? Or do you really need help on google? Its one or the other.... Keeping an onlinegame cheat free by reporting behind paywall & private cheat communities? I gotta ask : is this the first onlinegame you are playing?

And the game credited the one shooting in the gif with kill + devastating strike cuz it didnt knew whom else to give it

Hey, dont judge just now! We still have a few days left... Yea I agree with that. Generally speaking, people want to win each and every encounter and want to be in control always. Radar adds a factor that sometimes you are not in control or you have to keep that factor in mind. Nothing wrong with that really? There are still occasions, where you play a lower tier DD, there are no CVs and the enemy team has no DD at all. Its an absolute walk in the park with everything beeing free damage to farm - execpt you really eff-up. There is no skill needed for that really.

Did he do that? You need to understand, you are dealing with individuals. You cant blame him for stupid things someone else said.... Thats why I asked to be sure. But what is your stand on detonations then? There are more options then yay or nay. I personaly dont mind it THAT much but I personaly would be happy if they are removed. Still, there are bigger problems with the game then detonations. Also, I see nothing wrong with ppl expressing their oppinions on how to make the game better. After all, thats what the forums are for. Nobody should be attacked for voicing this opinion.

So WoWs would be ruined.. if detonations are to be removed? Very interesting view...

To sum up your post: You are argueing for CV buffs overall to enhance their dmg capability. It cant be like this, simply, cuz CVs already lead the stats in damage tier-by-tier from T7 on - and what you describe, affects only T7+. And if you reduce AA on all ships, so that CVs can attack anything at all time with losing max. 2 planes - how could you stop CVs? Answer is easy - you cant. The entire AA-CV-interaction on hightiers / T7+ is totaly out of control. Started with the Saipan, really, and the introduction of more and more ship lines. Some of the latest crazy things are Missouri, Grozovoi and ofc Kidd. You are really effed if you play something like Bismarck in a game with Midway and your teammates are ships with better AA then u. You are the absolute prime target. And introdicung those crazy AP-Bombs just is a reaction to something went wrong and making things worse. Patch patch patch without adressing the real problem. Its what I read in your post aswell. Patch & Tweak around, but ignore the real problem. Here is the real problem: WG used historic numbers of planes for the CVs. And then they build the AA of the ships around those numbers. Thus hugh-tier-ships had to have crazy AA-values, which left us with what we have now. Imo - AA-CV-interaction, also if you keep captain skills in mind, is much more balanced on lowtiers. I do divison my Orion with a CV-Player always. I can help my CV often, it takes a moment for me to shoot 1 or 2 planes down, but its enough to make my buddy win in a fighter-vs-fighter encounter. If you skill the captain for AA, it gets a little bit better, but its not night and day. Now, move this example to T9 or T10. If i´d take a Minotaur or Des Moines or Neptune and pair it with a CV, it will create huge no-go-zones. Also, if you start to skill those ships for AA, they go totaly crazy. A Neptune with a bad captain is no where near a AFT/BFT/manual AA build. Not even close! But thats simpel mathematics, if you double already high base values, you add up with insane values. Where as you take ok-ish base AA (Orion) and skill it, it gets decent - but not crazy.

Post it. Obviously you have the source code of World of Warships - thats what you claim after all. You think that sounds like a offical statement of WG? btw - there are cheat suppliers, where you need to pay a monthly fee. They support WoWs aswell. Experiance from other games - they are the real deal. absolutly. And what they claim, works. This includes ESP for WoWs. Did research this evening, it exists. Idk if you ridicule my post and any others, it wont change the reality. Id rather say, people that think there are no cheats for onlinegames belong in the group you desribe...

Dont listen to CoronerPuPu. He just wantes to be the first in every thread posting something "intelligent" - usually telling the OP, he is bad, while he is awesome. You are ofc right. The AA on the recently added Kidd is broken and stupid. Not sure if I should laugh of cry, thinking, some DDs surpass the AA of once as AA-Cruisers advertised ships like Chapayev.... For anything else, refer to @El2aZeR posts. It basicly tells tells you everything you need to know, on how to handle those DDs with crazy AA.

Just cuz one bad CV player let u kill all his planes, T 10 CVs arent OP? btw: looks like the CV still killed you, right? and btw²: you forgot to blur the names in the 2nd screen. Might aswell saved the work in pic 1 then ;)

Dont worry, it will be reworked. After Missouri is gone.

Been there, done that. Lost 3 times in a row, while going avarge ~190k dmg in Fiji & Southern Dragon. Soloing in the Harbour. Meanwhile. Remaning "players" busy breathing behind the islands outside the harbour. Sometimes this game brings out the worst in you. Lost it in the third round cuz I couldnt bear watching this over and over and over...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality "Reality is the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them.[1] Reality includes everything that is and has been, whether or not it is observable or comprehensible." Now you can pick the part for yourself, where you lost the plot. hint: they are underlined.

He is waaaay past that line... already long time before this topic existed.

And cant understand that >50% isnt =50%. @ColonelPete

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Yep. so that player is in each and every division in this game. On all servers. Simultaniously.

Mate, you dont see the entire picture. Removing Missouri is nothing but a sales-tactic. Havent you noticed the recent increase of Missouris? Yes, you did, cuz you complained about them. You think all those ppl miracolously reached 750k freeXP just now? Nope, many of them put money into them. Because last chance for Missouri! And Missouri will be replaced by a more MEH Mushashi. No wait. It is presented RIGHT NOW as total MEH so you say: No wait, I must get the Missouri now, cuz the Mushiashi will be BAD. But, as soon as Missouri is gone for good - Mushashi will be reworked "due to feedback and numbers". And will, once again, be awesome. Mark my words...

Well, since the mm is random, there will be occasions, where all premium ships are on one side, dont u think? To make your assumption true, it must be always like this - which it isnt. Lets even go so far and make the assumption, mm would deliberatly place more premium ships on one side then in the other - then where would be the gain for WG in that? It would rather piss of those players with premium ships, that got in the - as you claim - losing team. But they have already spend money. I usualy check the ships lineup during loading, and I gotta say, I also pay attention on how the premium ships are divided. And I remember one time, that enemy team had a few (dunno how many, in the range of 2-4) premium ships, while we had none. Again, can be explained with random mm. If you take 10 dice and roll them over and over, at some point eventually you will see 10 times 6. Are the dice rigged? Nope. Another thing to keep in mind: If you play a silvership and mm picks the ships for the next round - you already occupy 1 spot out of 12 as a silver ship. If there are 3 or 5 or any uneven number (or even number, for that matter) of premium ships in the line, chances are higher, they will end up against you more then with you. Its mathematics: Your team: 11 spots, enemy team: 12 spots. There is nothing wrong with what @22cm said. Especially about the CVs. Ofc there are stupid divisions and bad premium players - we all know that. But he said "usualy" which is right. And you said "most divisions" which is simply utterly wrong.

My aim was bad? I remember all your shells splashing next to me in the water execpt one :D - Which I would have dodged also, but your NC at 20km was actually more of a threat then you at 14 km ;) Its a shame you burned down, my shells where halfway in the air when you went from 500 to 0. But yea, DCP on my first fire- Zao was happy to take the perm fire after I told him, you just messed up bigtime :D PS: The Hindenburg-player just told me, you missed him completly aswell. twice. I was with Zao (you know, the one who killed you) on your side. Our third mate was on the other side, bowtanking with Hindeburg against Iowa and Kurfürst. We had a Chung Mu, F.d.G and me + Zao. That counts 4 Your team had: Minotaur, Yugumo, 2x North Carolina, you /Yamato and Z-46. That counts 6. So much for the whole story. But I clearly saw, map awerness isnt your strenght.

Look at the responses so far. Do you really think you are "not the only one with this opinion"? Sure doesnt look like it. Instead of thinking "hey, maybe those ppl have a point, lets read and think" - you resort to covering eyes & ears and shout "lalalala im right". Very reasonable.

1. you are talking about cruisers, obviously. Not CV. Use CA/CL, so ppl will understand what you mean. 2. Cruisers on T8+ dont have a 0 sec reload. Some even have 15 sec. Surprise? 3. T10 is not the goal of this game. Its not the "max level". Stay at T6 if you feel comfortable there. 4. BBs are not supposed to stomp in and win not matter what. If two decent Cruiser players take on you, when you are alone - they have every right to win. 5. Only one DD has 20 km torps - and nothing is more easy then to dodge them. 6. Dodging torps in general is easy, especially when you would play your BB right. Exeptions are PADDs, which are only introduced lately. 7. If Cruisers are so awesome and kill everything while beeing untouchable - how come, you dont play Cruisers, once you posess this wisdom?

IFHE is an absolute must. You want IFHE on Donskoi aswell. Thus its not an option leaving IFHE behind. My solution was: I basicly had 3 RU captains going up the tree. After switching from T7 Shorchs to T8 Chapa switched captains. T7 Captain reseted, waited for Moskva, T8 & T9 can use same same captain. And Shorchs to the trash. =)

This one was the absolute best. First, I ditch B cuz im the worst DD in the game + absolutly zero backup from us on B. Then all DDs show up on A - my luck, ye right. So its Mahan vs Loyang, Benson, Fletcher. Loyang doesnt understand that he can Hydro me, Fletcher is pushing my smoke and Benson waits behind the island, what his DD buddys are doing. So I hardspot Loyang + Fletcher, torp the Loyang down, he stops and smokes up, just to be finished from Belast radar. Then I gun the fletcher down (how??) and proceed to spot the Benson, which I also gun down (wut? how is this even happening?). But the best thing ive seen was still to come - our Gneisenau rushing a Tirpitz. The Genisenau using torps, but doesnt understand, that Tirpitz also has torps. Basicly, they lauched at same time. Difference: Tirpitz turned had in right away, Gneisenau sailed straight on. boom. Absolutly my experiance for the last week. 3-man-div did the trick, everything else is unplayable. Even 2-man-div often cant carry those potatoe-sacks through a game... If you want to try Randoms, feel free to hit me or @DFens_666 up in game. We are often lacking a 3rd guy.