ForlornSailor

Right on the money - sadly. Also - how often do you really need to use all "tricks" in a fighter-vs-fighter engagement? Most of the time you get away with standard moves, that for a good CV is a no-brainer. Its when I hunt DDs with my Cruisers. I have a few standard-moves, that I pull, and usualy they work. Once in a blue moon you´ll face that experianced DD player, that knows how to counter you. A few days ago, I did fight for minutes in a cap with my Edinburgh vs a Yugumo. Thats when WoWs really shines, the best moments. And the times, you really learn something and improve. Too bad - they are rare. And that goes for all classes aswell...

Confirmed. You can move Captains freely between all ARP ships without retraining.

Sure. But what about the other half of what I said? I mean, if someone, who doesnt have knowledge about CVs comes into this thread, reading it. Who do you think, he will deem more reasonable? You or the OP? Im pretty sure I know the answer... So why not - if you really want to take part in a discussion about it - use real arguments, show, why they are valid and prove a point like this? Why dont u judge ppl by what they say rather then looking for a "weakness" to discredit them?

Doesnt matter. He is entitled to voice his opinion. As long as he uses aproriate language, presents his point of view reasonable and respects the opinion of other ppl, its the perfect example of how to use a forum. Come again?

Is that really the level you what you want to discuss? Feel free to open a new thread then. Its kinda off-topic here. Its a forum. Its made to discuss. Its not made to tell other ppl, they have no right in expressing their ideas. This is literally what the forum rules say, aswell. So, feel free to take part in the discussion or let it be. But taking down on ppl is not ok. Seriously, check the forum rules.

In general I totaly agree with this statement. In case of CVs - nope. Superior CV player dominating the other one, so that he basically cant even start his planes anymore. What you expect someone to learn from this? There have been suggestions for this aswell in the past. We also have examples in the game - unlimited Def AA on Atlanta anyone? Long duration def AA? Def AA with higher multiplier? Also, It has been sugeested to give Fighters limited range around the CV. Best solution as far as im concerned. If the CV wants to give AA support to the team - he needs to move with the fleet. Its gonna put the CV back in the team, with all advantages and disadvantages. This has my vote. Many ppl wont understand the idea of discussing. You´ll either hear: "l2p!" or "wth u are just trying to buff your favorite toy!". You pretty much answered yourself :D You literally cant club new players. They have protected matchmaking untill... i dont even know how many games played or which ranked. We cant play against them, even if we wanted to. Also, if anything, WG should have removed autodrop. not manual... I dont just left click any enemy ship with a BB/CL/DD and let the game handle all the shooting and aiming. Thats what autodrop / no-strafe basically is. Who says AA on other ships need to stay the way it is now? Not an argument at all.

Had CV + 4 BB + 2 Hipper today as enemys with Chapa. Thats right. 0 DDs. Thats 11-15 star range. Agree. Agree again :). Feels a little bit better so far then the last season. I can actually make a play and get rewarded. *knock on wood* Had a Tirpitz and Amagi hunting the enemy CV in the spawn (ofc he was on the other side of the map by then). While I was fightining with 1 DD against 2 DDs and Edinburgh. Meanwhile, those 2 BBs cry, spam chat and everything "NEED AA. STUPID CRUISERS. STUPID DDs. STUPID CV SPOT THE CV). The best part: I radared Edinburgh, while he was sitting still in his smoke - BOTH BBs did hold their fire, saving it for the CV (!!!!). They litterally had a broadside Edinburgh to shoot on ~15 km. In the end: CV farmed them both. what else is new? Its just another ranked season.

Deal. I can also offer games with 3-man-Kurfürst or Yamato-Divisions. Anyone wanna trade for this?

I hope nothing serious and all is well. Congratz to the winners & happy new year everyone!

When you run into a serious of bad games - close down the game. Also, after taking a breath, ask yourself seriously: Was it maybe me? Could I have done something different? Watching your own replays then will help. Looking at the round without having to concentrate on shooting etc. will give you more opportunities to question your own decisions. You could watch yourself and think: What would be a good decision now? And what did I do? How did it work out? and so on. You can often learn the most from your own mistakes. Watching youtube etc., as mentioned, is also a good way. But improving your own gamestyle will ultimatly only work, once you notice your own mistakes. And those cant be found on youtube.

Do you own a mirror? its in place. Isnt the first time in this thread. What you say about others, goes perfectly for you. Cruisers that I posted, mostly do not have Def AA. Ofc you dont know this, as your knowledge about the game is absolutly limited. We have all seen this by now. But that was visible from the data that ive posted. Again, you only managed to shoot your own foot by ignoring facts & insulting other ppl. Its not WoT. You seem to be in the wrong forum.

Thats what ppl like you think. I posted numbers from wows-wiki, that show, you talk bs. But you cant gasp facts, we all see this by now. Play some more Belfast and burn down BBs, shoot down planes, to win 4 out of 10 games :))))

@Riggerby Just so that you rage more: I didnt bother to read your post. Its prolly non-sense anyway. Since you dont take part in a reasonable dicussion, cant answer questions, put words in everyones mouth and cant admit when you plain and simple are wrong - its futile to talk to you. Final verdict: you are wrong, you have no idea what you are taling about and you cant even discuss on a mature level.

I couldnt agree more!

At this point, im not even taking his stories serious anymore. Might be all made up, as far as I´m concerned. All the others things he is writing, are made up too, so....

Yea, on top of that, we have cruisers with awesome AA like 38 DPM. But some ppl cant think further as their own nose. Well he also has the opinion, that T 10 BBs suffer soooo hard cuz of CVs - yet he cant understand, that its only 1 out of 10 games with a CV (you could actually go and calculate the numbers by recent stats pretty accurate, might be 1 out of 8, or 1 out of 12 w/e, point stays) and that one specific BB player might even be focused only once in 20 battles. He didnt get the point. Ill give you something to read. educate us please. Write me down the AA-DPM of those ships. And write under this again: T5: http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Émile_Bertin http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Texas T6: http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Leander http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Bayern T7: http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Duke_of_York http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Gneisenau http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Myoko T8: http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:North_Carolina http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Richelieu http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Mogami http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Edinburgh Now, do us all a favor, and complete my list with the AA-DPM. Just copy them from the wiki and post them here. If you ignore that, you will prove our point of beeing biased :) challenge accepted? Oh, Ill have to add a few things, someone pointed them to me right now. Big words. Why did you pick percentage? Maybe... cuz when we look at absolute numbers.. we have about the same number of games in BBs! And your midway stats... the one you are bragging about in the other thread... 31% WR? Really? Belfast 43%? Hindeburg 45%? Indianapolis 39%? And you think you are awesome? Why didnt you burn down all BBs? Shoot down all the planes with your no-fly-zone? Tell us plz, what happened there?

A post of the worst sort, really. You are putting words in my and @SovietFury43 mouth. You keep assuming redicolous things that we want, while we´ve never said it. And on top of that, you insult, attack and judge us by those things, that you have MADE UP in the first place. So this one is for you: I have EXACTLY the same feeling. So it cant just be me.... Better for this thread. really.

Besides that lol-moment. What is going on in this round? Its one missplay after the other. Is this comedy? Even the Alabama missplays so hard in the end, he deserved to be dead twice? three times? I dunno... How he won is completly beyond me.

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There are ppl that post valueable informations, help other players, participate in discussions - and there are ppl that only write useless off-topic stuff :) Woeps, nearly classified for the last group. Well, anyway: Yes and no. I play german BBs also and there im not as often undetected. Still happens, when the enemy runs tho. My playstyle in the other nations BBs even seems very offensive, atleast, judging from the minimap. I´d like to have a german BB infront of me, which usualy doesnt happen (and they are in the game, just crusing behind me - most of the time). So if im already blinking or undetected from time to time - they must be aswell. Exactly this.

And there we have it. Quoting out of context, to project your wrong POV, so that your cardhouse wont fall like leafs in the wind. Very funny is, that only yesterday someone said ingame to me "What is this? Hell freezing over? Im seeing teamplay!". But again, im sure you are right, picking words from my long text together, making them sound like the opposite of what I said. Did you learn this here? Yep yep. And If I´d have 40% and cry for buffs you´d tell me "You suck. You got nothing to say. l2p"? Am I right? You have a deadlock mentality, based on biased view, set on a fix point, which you think is the only reality. At this point, I start to think, its futile to talk to you.

You want to trade? Ill take it. You can have my standard-battles. Seriously - Im all in for an option, so that one can play only the gametype, he liked to play (or atleast opt-out of one, he doesnt want to play). Same for maps, there we should have the option to mark maps, we dont want to play. Brining low-range cruiser on Tears of the Desert is equaly stupid as playing Ocean in a Donskoi.

No you are not... I play US BB & RN BB and im often undetected. Usualy, when I want to, I can be. Oh ye, and im not "that guy on A10". How about we start with making a clear cut with concealment? No BB can have a better concealment then any cruiser he can meet. And then, give Cruisers both Hydro and Def AA - for half the current cost. So they can be jack of all trades - as advertised... Next: In T8 matchmaking, ALL cruisers have heal. That includes the T7 Cruiser, that is so unlucky to be thrown in a T9 Game. Matter of gamesettings, really. You are in a game with T8+? Ok, get heal. Matter of fact, you could argue to give all cruisers a heal. What would be wrong with that?

Why all of a sudden he has no DCP? When he didnt use the DCP for the first fire? o.O No, its not. If the dmg exceeds the amount he can repair in one repair party - he can fill it up with the next. Its just a matter of time. Depends on the cruiser. Ive said it before - Ive one-shotted DDs with Orion and Bayern. Ive never one-shotted DDs with a cruiser. And my ratio of games played Cruiser vs BB is 10:1. Im cheering when i do 6~7k with a Cruiser to a DD, Ive had many salvos doing 9k+ with a BB to a DD tho. Never done this with a Cruiser. This statement as it is - just no. "Most" is wrong in either way. Truth is, some BBs have better concealment then some Cruisers. Which is, if u ask me, wrong. There should be a clear cut. Seems like there are different ways to view the game, not really a surprise here. Im always confused, when I see a Tirpitz (taking this as an example, cuz it happened at my last game), spawining a C, shouting "WE GO A!". Meanwhile, the 2 DDs spawned B and C and going for those caps. My view: DDs pick the cap. They are the ones that need to go in the heat first and they should decided, where they are comfortable. Cruisers follow that DDs, supporting them. BBs follow the Cruisers, supporting them. The CV has the freedom to see the big picture and decide, where to help/engange. So yeah, BBs have the job to assist everything and pretty much have the least to say, what to do. Also, they profit the most, if they are right behind the fleet. Torps get spotted, Cruisers help with AA and so on. Im usualy very safe playing like this. Oh, Hydro in 80-90% of the case if for the cruiser individually. I need it when chasing a DD or while I push in RN CL. Sometimes, usualy during end of a round, Ill get infront of my BB and activate Hydro, also telling him, that ill be doing so. Again, this is rare. Well, if I take your word, then Im playing my RN CLs completly wrong. You say: I shouldnt push, I shouldnt stick with my DDs. Instead, I must stick with my BBs to Hydro for them, to AA for them. What I do is, I rush ahead, I stay with my DDs. I hunt enemy DDs, push them out of the cap. I usualy dont give a eff where my BBs are. Their problem, if they dont follow me. Let em die alone somewhere. I care about my DDs. Yep. Im doing it wrong, you are right. Stats confirm, ill better change my playstyle...

Absolutly agree. How can you even argue this? What would be the oposite? Ppl choosing to play... weak things? How does that make sense... So, tell me. How does a game look like? 12 BBs fighting 12 DDs? 12 Crusers fighting 12 BBs? Thats what you are saying with your statement. Maybe you´ll get the hint and see, your argument isnt one at all. Yep, its stupid unless you are in a HE-spamming RN BB. But lowering down the accuracy to the current level was obviously the only idea for WG to make it so, that BBs wont nuke everything (besides other BBs) with one salvo. So there is an initial flaw in the system (as often in wows). Nope, its not. Playing a BB is relaxing compared to a CL. A CL has to watch detection all the time. Has to watch planes, DDs, BBs, other cruisers, torpedos, incoming fire, thinking he next move and the move after that many times - and dont forget to keep shooting in between or better: know when you CAN shoot! You shoot at the wrong time, you are out of the game within 10 sec and did 512 damage in return. worth it. Assuming things is usualy wrong. Or a way to put words into someones mouth to discredit him / make him look stupid. To my knowledge, he never said anything of that kind. So why dont you judge him, by what he said? you cant bring any reasonable arguments against it?