ForlornSailor

So thats a problem but CV+AA ships against CV+nothing isnt? Makes sense. Actually, you are saying, it would be a step in the right direction. But you dont want to say it I guess :) Oh look, another guy who stopped reading after the first line, then ignored 5 pages of discussion to share his wisdom with the world.

The prolly saw flamu doing this. So it cant be wrong... right?

"professionals" would never play randoms. They would ruin their skill with that... Having said that - there are no professional players in wows.

And I got a report from an Amagi, cuz I (Chapa) went too close to the cap - radarded the enemy DDs - twice - won the game. Still during the game, he was telling me, that Chapa had to be played at max range, kiting, HE spamming. Oh, and he also told this to our Edinburgh. Thats what Ill take from this season. ^^

So we are on the same page. Still, starting community-driven games in the trainingroom would be a breath of fresh air. Let me tell you how it was, what I was talking about. We did setup a IRC-channel (much like Discord now). Anyone could join and start an empty round with a certain message to the bot. Here it could be: !start T8 northern lights Bot then goes: T8 game open - map: Northern lights - spots open: 2 CV 6 BB 8 CA 4 DD. So everyone interested in playing types: !join BB or !join DD - joining the queue with his desired class. After all spots are taken, the Bot destributed the team randomly - everyone moves to the game, the one who started the game opens the trainingroom, game starts, hf. This has worked like a charm in a game with a much smaller community then here.

Hey - DDs can still cap! And they have gunz ! git gud!

Dude... that rather counts for you... You throw around numbers - that are proven to be wrong - claiming them as facts... yet you accuse others of doing this?

Are you really having trouble understanding me? Im telling you - I want MORE teamplay, i want ONLY teamplay - yet you tell me to get out if I cant take teamplay? huh? Did you ever play other Online Multiplayer Shooters with active community? Ive posted the mechanic, we had implemented before in another gaming community already - did you read that post? It could be setup using Discord these days I suppose.

Its easy. I like the teamplay. I still dislike beeing in randoms. Id prefer exactly what I discribed - play only with & against skilled players in a non-random environment. Always. WG doesnt let me. But I have enough self-reflection, that I can understand and admit, that what im doing is not how randoms should be played.

Please go back, read what was the point and understand, why you missed the point. thanks.

Its 12. Sometimes not even that. World of Warcraft, with all due respect, is not a fitting example to compare wows with. It would rather be Battlefield, CS or other shooters with teambased-gameplay. So I wont get into that. Ive said this before: We as a community could easily organize random battles among skilled players in trainingrooms. As ive stated eariler - ive done this in another gaming community. It was not only accepted by huge parts of the competetive players, we had some of of the best times there. You gain the best of both worlds : the randomness from publics, but without the screw-ups from unskilled players + the competition factor from clanbattles but you dont need to be afraid of ruining your stats & risking your reputation due to a loss.

Well, you are right about this. One little side-note: I find clans, that will draw this line & looking only at stats.. laughable tbh. Trust me, ive recuited for a clan in another game before. I didnt need stats to see, who can go far and who cant. There are other, more important and better ways to check, if a certain player will makes a team stronger or not. And with try-hard-divisions, that can easily push their stats - the margin is pretty much only determined by how good they really are - those 60% can be achieved by pretty much everyone slightly above avarage anyway :) True. And thats the entire dilemma here. I have the habit of taking a lot of screens from scoreboards. So when I check screns from 2016 vs now - its obvious, we have way more divisions today then back then. But there are still a lot of ppl, that dont play divisions - for whatever reason. And they are right by all means. Its the opposite - we, as in ppl, that want to play more teambased, need more options to do so and against ppl of our kind. These arent options in the direction I was argueing - they are quite the opposite tbh. Maybe you didnt understood what was my point: There should be options to play games with divisions only or for good players, so anyone could join that knows whats happening there. Thats where I beg to differ. Random IS the entry in this game. It is in fact solo game for the vast majority. Its not the middle ground. Look at the facts - how many topics, posts and whats not more is out there, complaining about "stupid players". You never complain about, how your team in randoms is stupid? I bet you do on a daily basis. Pretty much everyone posting here does. But the reality is - the ppl, that you complain about, have no other option to play this game. And dont say Co-op - cuz it doesnt earn you credits, you cant keep playing and maintaining your fleet with this gamemode, let alone talking about advancing in the techtree. EXACTLY what im trying to say! Nice to see, im not alone with my view on the current situation.

Well. someone elses video. Facts still stand :) 1 word removed.

clans WR? Seriously? "clans WR" would mean, you played Clan vs Clan - not publics against random people. This is exactly the behavoir im talking about. It needs to stop. You are not an awesome player, just cuz u manage to bring 3 or even 6 ships, each skilled to perfectly synergize with each other, using voicecoms, into a random enviroment. Guess what: One day, sooner or later, this game will be history. All those "shiny stats" from random games will be... deleted. And nobody will care nor remember you. Shocking? Truth! I wish WG would give us another gamemode to earn credits & XP, where we could form teams & pick maps & gamemode an so on. So the big boys can play among each other. It would seperate the boys from the stat-padders.

LOL !!! Almost spilled my coffee here!! buahahahaha. What would you do, if the entire forum would be as you? Oh I know: Ah well, you are there already. Yay! +1! Hey I have more to drive that hypocrite up the wall: Lets remove Torpedos! After all, thats what makes the BBs camp :) And he doesnt like camping right? So. DDs without smoke & torps it is. Prepare to git gud @AnotherGuck. This entire topic comes down to this. Funny thing is: WG is rather moving into a different direction imo. Recent smokechange suggests, that they want to give ppl more options to deal with ships in smoke and / or not-detected targets - sounds like ... Radar? So better order some more cheese @AnotherDuckling - you gonna need it for all the future whine.

Im still lacking your answer, if you´d have personaly a problem with such a system. What you have wrote now - I pretty much said myself twice Yea, maybe. Its a problem with how unbalanced ships from the same class/tier have become, cuz everyone needs national flavour. Nah, not really. Divisions would knew what they were getting into. I would have no problems to go with my usual 2-man-division into such a gamemode. But on another note - Ive been thinking for this quite a while. Back in another community, where I was very active, we used to have a similar problem. Among the good players, that were communicating on a daily basis, there was sort of a codex agreed, that it was frowned upon to stat-pad on publics. Still clanplayer and better players enjoyed random-type of games, not only playing clan vs clan. So we started to organize, what we called "Pick-up-battles". Back in that day, we used to have an IRC-channel with a bot, and you could start a round and everyone could sign up, until all places were full. The bot then randomly distributed the players over the two teams, and everyone would meet on the server. Now, with the trainingroom in the vanilla... this could be easily implemented here aswell. Its even much easier then back in the day... when we had to organize servers for the game... voicecom servers etc... I personally think it would be nice for the wows community to have such a system. Lets face it - a lot of posts are from ppl complaining about their stupid teammates - could be avoided this way. But the initiative would need to come from the community.

No need to get personal mate. Trust me, I can deal with those divisions usualy. This isnt about me or him, as we clearly stated, and neither do we have the power to change it with one fingersnip - so why you feel, you need to attack us on this level? I tried to avoid such confrontations, I even wrote it in my post (that part, you didnt quote...). Fyi - in other multiplayergames, ppl that try-hard with their clanmates on public servers, using loophole / OP mechanics are beeing laughed at. Its a fact you cant deny. Ofc, wows lacks the possibility to give you other options to play with your friends - hence I posted an idea, how to get around it. Just tell me - what exactly would be your problem with a fully random mode, where no divisions are allowed, when there would be a second, exactly same mode, where only divisions would face each other? If you want to answer, dont change the subject by saying "not enough players etc." just tell me - what would be wrong with that? I wouldnt have any problems with that, if it would exist.

You dont count! You are not an avarage CV-/wows-Player - by a long shot! (this is actually supposed to be a compliment, just saying^^) Wanna change that? Ill bring Neptune/Moskva/Texas/Missouri - hell I even have an Orion & Edinburgh with AA-build

Right on the money and shows both sides of the coin. Maybe we just need a new gamemode. A real Random, where you cant bring divisions, and something for divisions only. I dont know if that would be supportable from the playerbase (we,, im sure, randoms without div would be, but the other...). I have to admit, that ive done Divisions with CV myself (only on lowtiers tho) and already 2 ppl are enough to raise your Winrate. It does feel dirty tho, thats why we usualy didnt bring a 3rd player and I havent done it in quite a while. You really feel bad sometimes... you spam HE on a target, to make him DCP, while the CV is waiting or vice versa. While this could be easily achieved with basic communications in every random game - it just isnt happening.

Im sorry but you are missing the point here. Its about CVs + heavy AA ships. Doesnt apply on your example. Also - 3 DD Divisions often suck. You can tell... cuz they picked 3 DDs....

Or he is refusing to admit it.

Completly agree with @wot_chikor and @Boris_MNE here. Those try-hard CV-Divisions are bad for the game. Ofc, "intelligent" ppl, that bring a CV in their Division, will pick ships, that have superb AA. And they will have their captains skilled for AA. They are looking for nothing else, then to find a loophole to gain the highest possible Winrate. We had this topic before many times, and many ppl dont want to hear it. The problem could only be overcome in twice ways: Mirrored mm for all ships, so that Des Moines would be matched by Des Moines and so on, or the harsh solution - set CVs allowed in Divisions to 0. Now before this starts to escalate into another flamewar, where ppl are beeing accused of beeing CV-haters, CV-apologists or just have to "git gud" (those posts are already floating in, sigh) - it doesnt matter what stand you have on CVs. If you like em, hate em or dont care about them - divisioning like this is gamebreaking. Just look closly at the screen. The Montana is matched for a Kurfürst - we all know what Midway does with a Kurfürst, let alone talking about the AA difference. And how are the odds that Kurfürst is skilled for AA? Then the Des Moines. MM paired it against a Zao. You can see from the number of planes killed, kills & XP, how that Division dominated the game.

Yay. You did it again. Quoting @mariouus completly out of context and twist the reality. You just said, he must torp the DD in his own Team. Capra - do you have problems with reading comprehension? A bad day? Or is this deliberate?

Nope. that is again what you are implying. Again, read my first answer to you. The game isnt build around Radar & DDs only. If you ignore the rest around it - there is no use in talking. Do we start on a clean sheet after every post? Do you forget what has been said eariler? seriously? Maybe you shouldnt take part in discussions then - seriously! It is not cherry picking. Its facts, proving my initial point of view, which you a) first didnt want to understand and then b) ignored and now c) try to belittle. So I can draw no other conclusion, that infact, you agree with me, but dont want to admit this, thus pulling crazy things, to try to get out of the discussion.

I think you can edit your post, cuz its based on wrong "facts"