ForlornSailor

Heh, I wasnt exactly familiar with the numbers, so I went with it. Well, 2,7km makes the whole argument even more valid.

Gladly. So, your surface detectability is 5.8 km right. So is his. The detection from smoke is 2.1, when shooting your gun, and 2.0, when sitting still, right? cuz of proximity spotting. The range of Lo Yang Hydro is ~5,4 km right? So. that leaves an distance / area of only 3,3 km where the Lo Yang is able to do this: Sit in his smoke, use Hydro to spot you and shoot at you while not beeing spotted yourself. Thats what I meant earlier and thats what @Ubertron_X told you also.

yea, lol, thats true. I once engaged a Khaba with my Chapa - got to say, that dude knew what he was doing - and I really had a hard time hitting him. He on the other hand.. not so much. After quite some exchange of gunbattle I chosed to disengange, cuz he would have worked me down over time, no doubt about that. I just want to show you another side of this whole "radar behind island" thing. To me, its a teamplay mechanic. Ive said it before, 3 out of 4 times I use radar while I cant shoot myself. I let my team know, I tell them, where I expect the DD to be (or RN CLs, I radar them aswell), tell em to turn their turrets there. Id like wows to be a teamplaygame and Id like the game to have more mechanics like this. I used to love my US DDs - cuz I used to lay a huge smokescreen, covering my team, then go infront of that smokescreen, screen torps, spot enemys, mark targets. I had rounds, where I did nothing else and my team made perfect use of it. I loved it - my team loved it. WG took already this away from me, forcing some kind of selfishplay on me. "Use your smoke for yourself, to shoot low dmg HE at BBs". And who spots the targets for me? Oh ye, thats why I can spot myself from smoke now. I have hardly touched my US DDs since then. Its not the way I want to play them - or the game, for that matter.

Exactly this! @Tubit101 I mentioned this before to you - think about it for a moment. You did a missplay there. Its not the Hydro that beat you there - you did beat yourself.

You really do have a problem with selfreflection? Not joking. Ohw and in case you think this is an insult or lie - you again prove that statement of me right. I speak to people the way they speak to me. I dare you to quote me anywhere, where I insulted someone that hasnt insulted me before. You wont be able to do this. Again - you have nobody else to blame but yourself. Again. Mirror n stuff. Everyone looking at your signature & last 20 posts can see, whats your problem. Now, im back to sauna. You are getting boring :)

Nah the problem is, that you chose not to look at the whole picture. First: A game has 20 min. Second: You have a team also. Third: As it has been said - a DD with Hydro cant follow you and stay undetected. What is making your stick in an area exactly 2,5 to 4,5 km away from the DD? waiting for 2 mins, as you have said? Forth: You keep naming the Lo Yang only and calling it p2w, making it sound, as WG game this mechanic only to 1 DD. German DDs anyone?

You have been given answers to that... I count 3 ppl. If you chose to ignore it, it wont make them go away. You got killed in ranked. you are pissed and want to vent. we get it.

You demand explanation, but your own logic is heavily flawed, even downright wrong. A radar ship cant spot you without beeing spotted himself. If he is behind an island and has no LoS to be spotted - in 99 from 100 cases he cant shoot you either. Cuz of the island. A DD with Hydro has a lower Hydrorange then his own spotting range. So there can only be 2 options: he is spotted or he sits in his some. What do we do with stationary targets sitting in the smoke...?

Well. You didnt. Your entire post was about Lo Yang & Hydro. Also - that is neither the case here. Chapayev is spotted, thus LoS is given. You are spotting him.

It made a huge difference . Only problem is, when you panic-smoke from full speed, you will be pretty much spotted all the time until you come to a stop, cuz you are constantly staying ahead of your smoke. But you will come to stop in your smoke... well... 2 days ago I didnt, for some reason. Got me broadside, standing still to a Missouri, and I was like "something is wrong here" - before he blabbed me .

Yep, the Hydro on DDs is a "I win" mechanic. I still find it... interesting? amusing? how many -especially- Lo Yang owerns cant understand their strongest advantage given to them. You see Lo Yang chicken out from enemy DDs all the time, turning away, smoking up. On a second look - Im pretty sure its radar from the Chapayev at the island from E5, that caught you. Lo Yang is too far away to hydro you from the smoke and if he would follow you - he would be detected. So story is not like you tell ?

Recent numbers are not as bad as in fall 2017 anymore. Last 2 weeks T8 Cruiser 285.485 vs T8 BB 300.432 T10 Cruiser 185.396 vs T10 BB 190.476 It used to be 1 Cruiser : 2 BB on T9/T10, at some point even 1:2,5. So what @ImperialAdmiral said, was true at some point. Right now, it isnt. Anyone can look it up for themself, no need to speculate here https://eu.warships.today/vehicles

Was thinking about mentioning this... that the only reward that *might* come out of that, is winning the game. But doing this only raises your chance to win, and by how much is... well... impossible to tell? First - nothing wrong with that nor is it? And Second - a good DD will take you to the bottom aswell, unless you managed to sneak him up while his torps were reloading. I dont really need to. Just stating facts. But in your twisted reality, you cant understand that. Again facts are: You constantly whine about a mechanic that you a) obviously cant counter b) cant make us of it, when its avaiable to you and c) dont understand. I´d advise to just stop talking at this point? Unlike @Runegrem whom I can take serious with basically everything he says, your posts tend to have the level of a child who is arguening with his parents to have more candy after bedtime.

You havent played Radar cruiser yourself have you? Completly false. You risk a lot by going early deep in & near the cap. And how do I personally get rewarded by activating radar for the team? 0 credits and XP... if the DD starts shooting my spotting boni is gone also, cuz it will go to the DD / Cruiser / BB with LoW. Ofc you dont seem to understand that. Oh I see - I stand corrected. You played Chapa with 39% WR in 100+ games. Clearly OP.

Thats a real interesting idea. I like it! You played Edin with Radar also? I gotta say, we should division up some day with RN CLs. I bring the smoke - you bring the radar. That sounds pretty cool.

Did we meet there? Now I know why you dont want radar to penetrate Islands ^^. But, tbh, the problem there (I want to stay on the specific example you statet - North in Ranked) is the design of the map. Anyone with a little brain, that plays a Chapa, know where to position himself to gain HUGE influence on the game. The real problem is: why is the map designed in a way, that I can cover both caps? Also - it could be worked around, if ppl would use their brains and teamwork hard. Ill even give you the tool - You could have your DD go around, what would be A in normal domination. Lay a smoke around the inland, let him go ahead and spot. Now the chapa, at that huge island, is broadside and has nowhere to go. B is now easy to take, aswell as you having prolly the entire enemy team broadside to you. While writing this, I know it will happen maybe in 1 out of 100 cases - any maybe not even that. Because ppl dont play very intelligent in this game, cant think 1 step ahead and cant connect dots. But why do we always have to remove teamwork, strategic thinking and teamwork, just because the vast majority of the playerbase is incapable of using them?

That would pretty much only hit Belfast as far as I can see? Or the occasional Radar-Cruiser, using someone elses smoke while holding his fire. But even they would be detected in 4 out of 5 cases after using radar and then shooting the guns. I can tell you from my experiance: Usualy, when using Radar, I am detected. In Chapa, beeing detected is the sole reason to use radar. And when Im not detected & using radar - it doesnt matter if the enemy sees me or not. Thats atleast from how I play. I cant think of one case, where your idea would have proposed a change to me. Then again - I dont play Belfast. Yea...thats pretty much what I said tho :)

The scapegoat of blaming the ping for a loss is as old as onlinegaming :)

First I was like: how did he get so much XP? dmg & kills are not THAT great. Then I saw it

Oh that was basically how I played Farragut and Mahan aswell. Such good times. I smoked as many ships from my team as possible and then went infront of my smokescreen, screening torps, spotting enemys and marking targets. Good times. After the smokechange, its not the same anymore. We have to ask the question - is it ok to remove teamplay mechanics, cuz there are only a few players around that are able to make use of them in a random environment? Its true. Meanwhile i dont really find myself questioning my next step anymore. I just do it, cuz it feels right. Instict I guess, and experiance. Like you can tell the moment a Cruiser that is rushing you throws his torps, or you know, where the enemy DD is, by the "detected - not detected" symbol, when you connect it with the islands around you "Oh, he just passed that island to the left of me, thats why I was undetected for a moment."

Just look at the screen I just uploaded, it shows exacty this. Basically, I had to play DD with my Missouri, cuz our only DD Z-52 sat in smoke the entire game, dakka-dakka on Yamato, Conq & Missouri. When I asked him to spot or engage the Fletcher, he told me "[edited]off". So yea, 45 torpedos spotted, >100k damage upon my spotting. I think I can get over this. We can still be friends. Well, maybe I expressed myself a bit wrong here. Matter of fact, I do look at my own replays a lot and I also talk with my divisionmate about how the last round went quite often. Usualy, we talk about losses and try to identify, what we can do better. It happens, that we disagree, when trying to correct each other. But at the end of the day, I think, this does improve our gameplay. So yea, a 3rd person (or 2nd) looking at your gameplay, sure can help you, if you are open to critic. I also try to help other ppl, when they ask me for advice. Although, in those cases, I limit my help on the ships, that I think am allowed to talk about. This would be RN CLs & SN CAs and to a certain degree DD gameplay and Divisionplay with a CV. With other ships I havent earned that right to talk, im not delusional. The critic about Flamu and him commenting replays is more about the level of gameplay... Like what I said about those wrong turns or a BB moving a little bit too far ahead. Most ppl have much bigger problems than that. And im not sure, how much they can profit from such an advice anyway. Ofc, this isnt flamus fault, but the players in question. Also, what Ive said earlier, comes into play here. You cant really make ppl play a game they way you see it - everyone has its own style. And really nobody just does something for no reason, everyone does it, cuz he thinks, it will have a good result. Even if it is stupid, from the view of a more experianced player. There are good tips also. Like when he says "there is a smoke / you are spotted, but there are islands ahead of you / so there must be a DD in your back". something like this, basic things, that ppl could be easily aware of, but arent.

Thats exactly what I was saying. To be fair - the original question was more like: "how could me using Radar reward a red DDs bad play". And we are drifting away into "how could my bad play reward me". I agree fully about the CV gameplay. The thing is, I said this before: devs (and as a matter of fact, that goes for us in the forums too) cant tell people, how to play. They/we cant define whats right and whats wrong play. Well, to a small degree, we can, when it goes to absolute extremes. Like using a shimakaze to play gunboat only, f.e. But ultimatly, the game in combination with the players, that make the decisions, will decide, how the gameplay looks like. The devs and anyone can have the nicest, well thought ideas, on how the game must be played, but if it doesnt happen in reality - what you gonna do about it? You mention BB HE. Its a good example. Before, everyone was ridiculed and belittled for shooting HE from a BB. It didnt even matter, if he shot it only once, and it made sense. Fact is - even before RN BBs came in, there have been situations, where HE was the better option. Its a perfect case of what I said before. Someone says "BB must use AP, cuz AP stronk". But it doesnt apply in every situation. I use HE on Missouri. Did it today. Why? I saw a FdG used DCP against a Fire. And he angled against me. Gave him 2 fires, he burned down. Matter of fact, I still got the game client open - so ill show you. So ultimatly I got 26.378 dmg with that one salvo. There was no way I could have done this damage on a angled FdG. In addition - he might have even killed me, if I had been using AP, cuz I was at 12k going into the fight (I think, the round ended with me having 7k, and the round did end, cuz we reached 1000 points - when that FdG went down). So HE on BBs = bad play? Nope.

Congratulations! Yea... well. To me its just like this. In the long run, you wont profit from that. Im sure there are situations, where you get away with bad play, but that still doesnt make it better then good play. Couple of things with him commenting replays I dont like. First - I could comment my own replays and find tons of things to improve, things, that I now see, I should have done and so on. Many of his comments can be disregarded, cuz its very easy to say afterwards, how you can do it better. Or not with that pressure, that you have to make a decision and deal with the consequences. Its like ppl talking politics or last days football match sunday afternoon in the bar. They are all super intelligent and now it all better. Also, a cruiser, that makes a turn at the wrong moment or a BB, that pushes a little bit too far in Ranked, does hardly qualify as "bad play" in my book. Not when you see, what happens daily in randoms.

Id I´d only have that radar module. I dont feel like pushing through Ranked, to get it. Doesnt feel ... worth it :D (1 win away from 9 atm, wanted to stop at 10. Im doing the occasional game, when I bored and got nobody for division right now). Now I dont exactly understand what you are trying to tell/ask me with that^^

Its not all about stats, its not all about winning - its more like how you get there. I can enjoy games that I lose, after 20 mins with 950 to 870 score, if I have the feeling, everyone on my team did his best to win and used his ship "right". Today, I ragequit after 2 games (2 wins, if that matters), because the conclusion of the games was pretty much "Hey, lets see which team can fukk up more". So I know exactly the meaning of: