ForlornSailor

We can click in. We gonna bring a CV in the Divi, so we make sure we get paired & and be in seperate teams?

I assume you want to use the Coupon right away for one or the other? I wouldnt do that tbh. Especially, since you say, you arent sure about the ships anyway. The Coupon will last 3 months (right? someone correct me if im wrong), so you have plenty of time to gather more Coal. Not sure how many ships you own, but the snowflakes can give you a nice boost. Also, who knows what kind of missions are coming in the next month, which might give even more coal? You can use that Coupon for Aigle or Okto at any time in the next 3 months. But once you used it, you have to wait for the next, which can be frustrating, if you got a ship you dont like and then notice, you would have the coal for a ship that you actually liked more but cant get it now.

He gets his free XP in Co-Op.

Much of it is a skill thing. I mean, currently, if a CV goes for you in a DD, and you manage to dodge his cross-drop - you denied his striking-capability for a couple of minutes. With the rework - the return time will be reduced by far. Check what I did to a Kaga last week in my Benson: Initially, he didnt went for me but for a Shinonome. I run def AA and protected my friendly DD, which triggered him. He dropped me three times, I used various tactics to dodge the cross drops. By that time, he lost the game for his team, simply, because he focused on me. It is a unicum-CV-Player, I need to add. Not the super-crazy-class like @El2aZeR but someone, that wins close to 70% of his games. Im not sure, how I shall achieve this after the rework. Which brings me to the spotting part: Sure, a CV cant dedicate one squad to permaspot anymore (technically, he still could). But even now it has drawbacks (as was explained in this thread before) and there still is the other CV around, that can interfere in this with his fighters. After the rework, the teamplay aspect is gone. And this not happening right now is again a skill thing (Fara mentioned this in his video). Its actually one of the easiest things for a CV to do - stoping the enemy CV from permaspotting your DD (given he is not somewhere deep in the enemy spawn, which some DDs like to do), which shows us, how bad some of the CV-players in this game are. If you play co-op a while, you will sooner or later get a bot CV on your side. You will be surprised, that in 80% of the cases, the bot CV is helping you more than a human CV. Not a joke. And after the rework, the CV will automatically spot your for quite a while during his attacks. The effect of this cant be seen in the testings right now, because those teams consist to a huge degree of bots, from what Ive seen. Put 11 players in there - many of them will focus that poor DD. About the damage-dealing potential of the CVs after the rework: Its a matter of balancing. You could lower the damage output or make the bombs stray so much, that DDs get away pretty much unharmed. But I have to say: this is not an option! CVs after rework wont have any other job then dealing damage. You can only limit their damage output so much. Why would you play a class, which is not only repetetive and very limited gameplaywise (given, thats my personal opinion, but many seem to share it) when you even have problems dealing damage? Its the only thing you have left. Sure, you can just pick the next squad and YOLO in again. But how stupid is that? I dont see, how they´ll find the balance in this. And then there remains the AA-CV-interaction. Already right now we have tons of people complaining, that shooting down planes is useless. Which actually isnt true but its their feeling. When you are the only ship, that cares about focusing planes and has a AA-build, you can shoot down maybe 20 planes against a good CV, often less. He will either take you out, because you are such a threat to him, or avoid you, if possible. If you´d have 3...4 ships on your side, that would focus and build for AA: that CV is shut down. After the rework? CV doesnt care. He might not deal (much) damage but he got new planes, that will be in the middle of the action again <60 sec usualy. How will people feel about shooting planes after the rework? Then it really becomes useless! This part of the rework was really balanced around the potato CVs, that throw their planes within 5 mins of the game and leave everyone on their team speechless, because nobody understands, how that was possible so quick.

There is not really a difference to right now then, is it? But a real good CV-Player wont go for the border-BBs, because, as you said yourself - they are useless. They will rather focus on the active ships in the front, like DDs. And that will become much easier. Exactly. One of the stupidest things of the rework. And since you cant make every ship such a strong AA-plattform, that it could heavily defend itself alone against a CV, there is only one option: limit available planes. Did you just start a call for a boycott, so that WG will come to senses? Im in. Yea right, fixing bugs is catering to BB-Players. Now Ive seen it all. Well its you after all so im not surprised... Funny that the recent changes and biggest whines do come from another part of the playerbase. Need to introduce the term DDaisy maybe? ___ On topic: Can only give credit to Fara. He is one of the few guy out there, with a realistic view on the game and is able to talk reasonably even about his favourite class. In the two videos posted in this thread, he mentiones everything thats wrong with the upcoming change and with the current situation of CVs. Compare that to people, that do nothing else then to defend their favourite toys, and you know which are the players, you´d need to listen to. But as he also said: didnt happen. He is not the only one, that has experianced this, so every word we write here, every minute we put in here, time, we spend to think about ways to improve current or upcoming CV-gameplay seems wasted, sorry to say.

There is some more Republique anomaly (from yesterday): The explanation can hardly be mounts, although it sounds good and is sometimes the right explanation. These are all belt hits.

Wow. Thats unplayable.

Had that same problem. All of a sudden your ping jumps to 500, then you ship stopps, only to warp ahead a few secs later.

To be fair: Its WG that should take the blame. Im not blaming anyone for getting those missions done in Co-op - its the smart thing to do. Same with the missions for PEF. The time-frame with one month doesnt really count, since we have christmas around, clanbattles and even ranked. Then some people have 50...150 ships and ofc they want to max the stuff they´ll be getting. For someone, that gets ~50% WR in randoms, having to play 150 ships... you can easily calculate 300 games. Thats more then I played since the summer in total (random games). WG could have made this a longer event and restrict it to randoms. I dont think it would have causes a massive outcry anyway, because steel? Its rather the opposite right now - many complain, that its too easy to get the steel.

First-world-problems? Personaly, I think, the people that make randoms unplayable arent moving over to Co-Op. They are still in randoms and derp around. Its rather the people, that are doing good in randoms, are in co-op right now. And ive seen so many known names in co-op yesterday/today, that this conclusion seems to be atleast somewhat true.

Imagine an avarage random game, with 40~70% beeing potatos - thats how Co-Op usualy is. So the decent people can farm damage and even get quite some good XP out of it. Thats hard right now, so its not economically viable.

If it makes you feel any better: Randoms are a mess aswell. DDs suiciding left and right, because "Must get ma 33 spotting ribbonzz" I actually had quite decent Co-Op games so far today/yesterday, managed 3 kills quite a few times and went into 500~600 base XP range with my higher tiers. But the chat IS unusual salty, that is true. And I think 9 out of 10 games had a human CV - same reason, they want the spotting. So its hard to get them as a DD. Last round I popped my speedboost and managed to get 3 spotting ribbons right before the fighter plane of our Lexington. Pretty sure that netted me a report. Well, right back at ya, buddy. Some people... Yes. Plain and simple.

Too bad, you dodged my litte trap, I set for you. There are hard numbers in the OP. Those are not imagination.

Might be. They had a high fire quota before, now they hit even better --> more fires. Havent played Aegis with a BB yet, will do these days, then I can draw a conclusion myself. But with my fire RNG in the last days... (managed to burn 24 times in 3 consecutive clanbattles - I was about to eat my keyboard) Indeed. That Phoenix gives me the cold sweat. I mean, we are talking about a weak T4 cruiser facing T7 BBs... That shouldnt be a problem at all!

It is now clear, that you havent played said Operation. Next you are going to tell me, the bot CVs in Aegis, this weeks operation, arent always focusing the target, that has just used DCP and thats all my imagination aswell, right?

Bow on? Full Broadside is the only way to go !! Need to make use of all those great OP gunzz

Somehow I was pretty sure, what this topic is about, after reading the headline Im going with Neptune and Duke of York I guess? Read so many bad things about them, yet they are my favourites.

If I were you - Id stop. You should have probably never started. Looking at the stats of you guys in TX BBs, the fact that you played 3 x TX BBs and that most people reading here know, that Saiyko is a more then decent player - I knew from the start who was right. Your post just made it much clearer...

Well, I think he should atleast get a warning via mail. This isnt playing the game.

Im always asking myself, when seeing stats like that: How can you possibly influence your team so negatively, to get such a bad winrate? Well, the screens answered this question. btw: @Wulius Did you have replays enabled? I´d suggest to send it to the support or directly to @MrConway or @Crysantos . Posting the screen with his name might even get you a warning, since its against naming & shaming rules. Eventho he deserves it...

Yea. Agree. Next thing on the agenda? btw - why is it, that those gaps always screw me over? Not only is the gap perfect for the enemys, so they dont even have to dodge, but when I get torped, the gaps are so, that I not only taking one but two torps (since those are so close together). Why cant they be exactly symmetrical in the first place?

You can get Salem/Jean Bart for it, so you can get extra steel with those . Then they´ll have a purpose I cant really be bothered to count. Its enough to get me JB and without the purchasable steel mission not enough for Stalin.

Funny, only today I was rubbing my hands, waiting in my Anshan for that Omaha to come around the island at 2,6 km fully broadside - little did I know, paperarmor can work against you, even with tiny DD-guns...

GC is the best BB on any Tier. It wrecks T8 & T9 BBs, simply, because they cant hit it. Yes, ive tried in the trainingroom in a serious environment, trust me, they wanted to kill me but couldnt. We had to step it up a notch and let the Cesare face a Yamato to give the higher tier BB a chance (!). Im not joking, try it out yourselfs.

This is so sad. For the sake of the player, I hope its a bot. If not...