ForlornSailor

You are the only one talking about Tier 10? not sure whats your point. Absolutly. I´d never ever want to have someone like you on my team...

And it still managed. You are contradicting your own position here.

Did never happen to good players.

Thats why people with 12k games and 20~40 games in the new CVs have new entry in their stats: highest spotting damage *put name of new CV here* So. there is the facts. what now?

Thats your complete subjective, far from the truth conclusion that will only hold in your own fantasy. Well, and in the fantasy of like-minded. Did it ever occure to you, that its your fault? That you simply would have to learn how to play? Again stats say: the problem is with you.

Well if you are a newb. But then again - who cares about them? Git Gud or get sunk. Stats cleary show - you are wrong.

Stats say - you are wrong.

RTS CVs > remove CVs > rework CVs

Exactly. But it seems like, many people cant comprehend this and focus only on the raw numbers and/or the scale between the classes. Concealment however has a direct correlation with the maps.

I like to think, that I often can explain why things happen in this game and I also like to think, im pretty good at predicting, how changes impact the game. But I didnt see that one coming and I cant explain it neither. Is it maybe that people are spotted and/or are seeing the enemy themself very early? The combination of that might frighten the average player . Seriously tho. Often you see people running away from a positon, just to return a minute later, because they seem to forget, that they were 1vs6 there and got almost killed before. Now, they see the enemys all the time and are spotted themself, so they are afraid to move at all. Its the only thing I can come up with. I checked some replays of good players to see, how long they are in the short-range AA zone, the one, that pretty much is the only one, dealing damage to them (because they just dodge the mid and long range explosions). Its between 3 and 5 seconds in almost all cases. Or, if they play a Hakuryu, its 0 sec ofc

Yes, in these discussions we need to differentiate between the tiers and the different CVs. The T4 CVs actually seem to be pretty bad, especially in dealing damage. Their thing might be more the spotting, but this is ofc boring for the player itself. WG missed the mark here, because T4 is the entry to CVs and it should motivate people to continue playing the class. I dont see how thats the case. However. they are not OP. Early conclusion and data seems to point out, they are in fact weaker then their predecessors. I agree. The introduction of the rocket planes seems to be a bad idea, especially since they target DDs so heavily. Im not sure why WG thought, its a good idea? I dont feel like they were needed in the game. But yea, Ive said that about AP bombs and they are here to stay aswell, I guess. That entire F-thing wouldnt be needed if WG would have gave players direct control over planes AND the CV itself at the same time. Something, that was critizised by the community pretty much from day 1. Maybe it would be finaly the time for WG to say "yes,the community had it right, we were wrong". I guess ill be old and gray before that day. Tho WG could gain a lot of credibility by doing so, im sure the community would appreciate such honesty. In theory - no ship is defensless against planes. But we have moved from a totaly RNG-based System (that you could influence a little with defAA-management, skills and manualy targeting) to a system, that relies completly on the skill of the CV-Player. Someone doesnt know how to dodge AA? Well, he will fail completly. We see those people in the statistics already. They barely get 10k dmg (with the T4s/T6s they hardly get 5k per game) and will run out of planes. The players, that have figured out how to dodge AA (or abuse Haku, but thats a different subject) will never run out of planes and can attack at will. In this perspective - skill gap has even increased. I dont like the new AA-system at all and I dont see a reason to use any AA-skill or AA-module. Why? The reason is easy. A bad CV-Player will lose against any ship, no matter if you have BFT, AA-module 1 or whatever. Against a skilled player, those skills and modules wont help you either. Its black or white. And you see this in the discussions in the forums. Some people say, AA is too strong. Others say, AA is useless. They post pics of shooting down dozens of planes or videos of an AA-Cruiser not shooting down 1 single plane. Same for the CVs. Some say, they are crazy OP- Others say, they are useless. Are these people telling lies? nope. Its what they observe. This one-dimensional gameplay, where you either figure it out or dont gets you exactly these results. Thats actually the worst part of the rework. I have no idea how to fix this.

Maybe. But since this is the second complaint of that nature, im starting to pay attention. If there come more people with that problem, then im willing to think, that there might be to it. But... ... if thats the case then yea, its a user-fault. Especially with the Type 59, since this is one of the very few, that can be repurchased for dubloons. Other you will just go blank, since there is no option to rebuy.

I recall someone mentioning, that the update resetted the old settings and put them back to "purchase for dubloons". So this might not be your fault after all. You should mention that to support.

The only one with problems here is you. old CVs =/= New CVs. They are completly different from each other. They are not the same class anymore. Yet you compare them. And even list BBs, that have the EXACT same gamemechanics as an argument in your favour. Just wow. Its as if you dont play the game and only look at the name "oh yea CV = CV". Only someone, who has no idea about the game, would argue like you do. Sorry, I cant make it more clear, as imo its as obvious as day and night (oh no, now you will tell me, they are the same, right?)

Out of arguments (not that you had any to begin with) and resorting to insults. Might want to read the forum rules or this will be a short visit for you. btw: what kind of IQ is needed to reach an average damage of 3500 with the Ranger and a 0% WR?

No. Well actually Yes. What you are getting at, is this: You dont have a clue how to play against DDs and because you refuse to learn you think its ok, that other people should suffer aswell. Ill give you an idea: Why dont you start lobbying for the introduction of a nuclear bomb? It would drop every game, 5 seconds after the spawn and kill everybody. Then nobody would be better then you anymore AND those mean little buggers called DDs wouldbt hurt you anymore. Doesnt that sound like fun? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-reflection Please start improving on that skill. Amen my brother. As this point, I really wish WG would finaly admit, that they cant get it right and stop torturing us. Then we could finaly play the game...

Rofl. First, you compare damages of old CVs vs new CVs, there you dont have a problem, now you say, its doesnt count cuz they were uptierd. Newsflash: There is exactly one similarity between old and new CVs: the name. Ah you know what - not going to continue wasting to skim through your post. Just delete everything you wrote, you are embarrassing yourself. Especially the part in the headline about the "CV haters". Then dont play them. They A) might not suite your or B) you havent figured them out. Well, others rack up 400k to 550k damage and get constantly 4,5 or 6 kills. So it cant be the CV itself, then where do you think is the problem?

You could tell, because it would be called "World of Pawns" then.

... or people will go and play other great games instead of beeing frustrated during their free time. This is a game after all.

How many times do you want to prove to the public, that you dont understand anything of game balance? First your PEF disaster, that backfired, now your exclusive opinion about CV. whats next?

Ofc its a valid question! Do you know that most part of the playerbase actually classifies as "casual" - as in every game? They do not log in every day, they do not spend huge amout of time following news about the game, read forums, watch youtube, twitch etc... I was 100% sure these things would pop up. If you just go, start the game once per week, update the game and start as usualy - nothing is teling you HEY YOUR CV IS NOT THE CV IT USED TO BE !! you just klick in the game and go WTF?

Since there is a million of threads about CVs and every 5 mins a new one pops up - i dont think that really matters. Also, at the end of the day, nobody really cares who writes what here or do you really think that a group of WG guys is skimming through this non-sense here, making notes, analysis and so forth? They could prolly outsource it to the NSA or reactivate some old STASI guys to have it done for them and get an essay in the end. But nobody from them will read all of this, im sure. They have enough feedback from other sources as sub octavian has already reacted on reddit and we will be getting a hotfix, most likely withhin the next 48 hours already. So at this point: discussing the current situation is pretty much old news.

You dont seem to understand the concept of time, do you? Youve been making a fool out of yourself for ages. And as I see, you have no planes of changing. As I said above. But go on, come up with your fantasy number, mr 40%. We all know, on which device your database is located - not a PC, but in your dream memory.

700 of your 795 posts where whining or worse. You even deleted your account before, because you hated this very game so much. Says the guy who claims, he is keeping a database of players that he sinks. Just an example of your gifts to the forum: So you are the last one that is allowed to attack other posters with words like "stroke of genius" tbfh.