ForlornSailor

I argued for going that direction ever since the CV rework. DDs still get spotted by other means, so then their air detectability doesnt count. It looks like, WG has the same way of looking at it, as I do: spotting a DD by yourself AND attacking it should atleast be very hard for a CV. That was my point from the start: CV can spot a DD for the team OR help attacking it while its engaged by a friendly DD or detected through other means. Nothing wrong in that, seriously.

Yup I knew it. Complete lack of empathy for other players and no understanding of balance "I WANT MUH OP TOY AND I WANT IT NOW".

No It couldnt, since there never were T8 + T10 CVs together in one game. This was 2 days ago btw. I wonder why you dont take my word for it and imply something like that....

nah. Oh thats so nice of you. So you use the income-argument to justify taking DDs out of the game as you please. Ever thought about their income - I wonder?

For Coop, I can only answer one point, which is the def AA - yes, the bots will use it. But they lack the situational awareness. They will use those consumables the moment they are ready. This means also, a Worcester bot will activate its def AA right on spawn. If you rush in with your CV, you might aswell be caught in the def AA. The Bots in the operations however are also in possesion of captain skills. f.e., they have IFHE and most likely AA-skills aswell. You can also see signals on some of them. Modules is hard to tell. I dont think this counts for coop, but I cant tell for sure.

Yea sure. Everyone has a different approach and learns a different way. Its up to @Saltface to decide, which one works for him.

All I can say is: it worked for me. And I would say, playing OP stuff like Kamikaze or Gremy gives you a wrong impression on how to DD. Ive med a few of those clubbing guys with something like 1k games in Kami (those, that play hardly anything else and even have impressive WR in it) and you can pull easy tricks on them, since they are lazy, overestimate themself and rely on their OP boats. Once you get used to the things, a Kamikaze or a Gremy can do, you will have a hard time mitigating back to silver ships, like Mutzuki or Minsk...

To learn the essentials of DDs, Umikaze is a great choice. It teaches you the imporantance of positioning, stealth torping and spotting for your team. Its the way how I learned to DD back in the day. I wouldnt jump into something like Kidd or Sims to learn the class, because you will quick get into situations, that get you killed. T2 is much more forgiving in that sense and gives you space to learn. I did what? like 40 games Umikaze / Wakatake and then I had most of the basics right. From there I went into midtier DDs right away and was fine.

Thanks for the update, much appreciated. Good to see, you are aware about the things, that are concerning the community right now.

Everything else is really up for debate but this isnt. If im chat banned, for whatever reason, I must still be able to talk to my clanmates! Maybe not all clans have setup ways to communicate outside of the game, then what? Please, atleast fix this. @MrConway .

Thx for the link @Johmie - that clarifies it. So hard to keep track of everything that is happening right now.

A lot of that is my personal interpretation. Like logic would suggest, when we have 2 symbols at different places for bow/aft flooding, that a hit on the midsection cant cause a flooding any longer. This should have to be compensated with a way higher flooding chance on bow and aft. But yea, I may be interpreting too much into this, guess we have to wait and see.

See screen sttached :P Looks like you really enjoy your Benson right now ^^ Well, it is an awesome ship, I loved it from the start aswell and kept it. But Fletcher is awesome too. Im not 100% sure but isnt that going to change with the next patch? Im under the impression, that bow and aft hits will have a much higher chance to cause a flooding, while hits on the midsection will have a lower (maybe even zero?) chance? Thats how im interpreting it but I might ofc be wrong.

Alright, fair enough, lets bury the hatchet. I jumped down on you pretty hard which was uncalled for so I apologize for that. When you had the "no real-life" card pulled against you, just for beeing somewhat decent in a videogame, so often, you start to become allergic to everything that goes into that direction. Well, looking at it reasonably - it is ofcourse unreasonable to draw such a conclusion. To be fair: Often people will use the term "stupid" instead of "low IQ", which is somewhat different. A "stupid player" is still only stupid in that specific game (or even one specific situation only) while it doesnt judge anything else about that person. Also, Id like to point out, that Im one of those people that is offering a helping hand and invest time to help unexperianced players, that are seeking for help to get better, everytime I can. Those, coming to the forums, looking for advice and taking them, I would never dare to call bad or stupid or even worse. I know, that we all had to start somewhere. Those, continuing to perform bad while raging in the chat, blaming others for their losses - yea, those I call bad or stupid without any hesitation. But I wont insult them on a personal level.

I have no idea what you are talking about. btw: did I mention, I do this when we play together?

Seems like we are losing the argument to Edi after all

I got something good aswell @Mr_Tayto. I really had to dig deep for that one. Yea, clearly, -2 ships have no chance.

You are focusing too much on external factors. You cant influence them either way. Stop looking at how the others perform and dont look at them as a reason, why you lose games. I know, this is easier said then done, since we all tend to do it. But - you also said here quite a few times, that you are a decent player and know your stuff. Yea, sure, your stats clearly show you know what you are doing. But there is always room for improvement. So why dont you stop let external factors bother you and you focus on your game? Analyse what you are doing and what you can do better. I say this without any intend to personal attack you because this counts for me as much as for you. All I can tell you is this: I did rage at my team constantly, I used the chat to flame people, I even was pissed about the performance of some newbs after I shut down the game. Then I realized: you know what? It aint gonna help me. So I focused on myself. Trying to do my sh!t better, even when I thought "im already good and its the other peoples fault I keep losing". My Winrate is on a steady rise since I checked my attitude. And I still check it every game. I also use the chat to try to interact with my team in a positive way. Why? Because there is almost all the time atleast 1 guy, that will respond to constructive talk. But nobody exept the trolls will respond, if you act like a troll yourself. Everything starts with yourself.

Thats a good point and hardly anyone talks about it. This one I actually did miss and the first time, I used a ship with fighter plane, I didnt watch the timer just went total WTF - where is my fighter? Why did it land? I only started it a few moments ago?!.

First: What Tyrendian and Garrus said. Then: Worcester is one of those ships, that can easily lead you to a "high damage - low impact" gamestyle. Its tempting to just spam BBs from behind and island and giggle about the damage. It will not help your team win tho. So this is target selection and positioning. Edit: omg @Tyrendian89 you literally wrote the same as I did with your last post. I only read yours after I posted mine

Nah that guy is WAY past any level of self-reflection. which you can see here aswell: - Starts stat-bashing, making up stuff about other people, aggressively trying to make them look bad. - That person responds in the same way. My personal opinion: That response was much more justified and reasonable. - Reaction: MIMIMIMIMIMIMIM DONT TALK ABOUT MUH STATS MIMIMIMIMIMIMI I DIDNT MENTION MUH STATS - YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT MUUUUUH STATS MIMIMIMIMIMIMI millennial snowflake. You know what @EdiJo? Back in my day, you learnd that at the sandpit. You dont want people doing bad things to you? You dont do it to them. And if you start to steer sh%% up - you suffer the effin consequences.

No, your innitial point was "uh I suck at this game but im so much better in rl then all of you". YOU brought real life stuff up. Nobody ever here (atleast reasonable people) talk about that. Newsflash: People might be good at this game, way better then you are AND have a much "better real life" then you have aswell. So whats the difference if the best player in this game (lets say for a moment we could determine who it it) is a jobless 49 year old virgin or a 22 year old supermodel, who has 7 supercars in front of a 800 squaremeter luxury villa and 250 million on the bank account? Right. Doesnt change anything and doesnt matter the slightest. It shows some kind of envious behavouir, to have the need to compare "achievements" in real life with skill in a game. Some people have all of it. Others have nothing. Doesnt give neither the right to be disrespectful. Like WoWp is that old? If that matters anything, people that im playing wows with, I have already been playing Diablo II, CS 1.4, FEAR and many other games from almost 20 years back together with. Some of them Ive faced in LAN when we still had to use serial connections. So you gonna give me more respect now? Since you seem to think, that does matter somehow?

I am asking you a question. Do you understand this sign: ? The RN Cruiser thing was about something else. Which I also clarified once more. Dont play dumb. So either answer my question or move on. Or admit that you dont know / were wrong about the topic. But dont twist things to use them for your strawmans. God how I hate the 21 century discussion "culture". Is this thought in schools now? "how to make your discussion partners look bad with ad hominem and strawman". Wrong. Use math, take player stats / games played and do the math. There is no waiting queue with a +/- 1 mm. The reason is: WG WONT DO IT. So stop finaly crying about it.

Oh there IS another option... Looks like you are the one who is blind. And just to make you go on the record: (not that it was that, what I talking about, but anyway) RN cruisers cant bounce Nagato shells? that what you are saying? Now YOU are the one complaining, that HE statshames you? While your first post was nothing else but a raging, envious, stat-shaming non-sense post? Hypocrite. Either grow a thicker skin or refrain from doing things, that you dont want to have done to yourself.

I was aware but at some points - that didnt help me . Its so established into your routine, that when I see a CV spotting a DD, f.e., I expect atleast to see some of the torps, so that I know that there is coming something. So when I dont see them, I still think the DD hasnt torped. You have to constantly remind yourself "thats not how it works anymore", which... doesnt work all the time.