ForlornSailor

It was Bismarck ;)

You having fun playing Henri IV?

@RwO99 please do yourself a favour and lisen to @Tyrendian89 - seriously. You are not ready for the higher tiers yet and simply no premium ship is going to change that. Besides there is nothing wrong in picking a lower tier premium. Ishizuchi is actually a more then decent ship which offers plenty of fun.

What BB did TTT play in the recent T8 clanwar season?

I would say, thats a constant development. Back in the days, when there were only the US an IJN BBs, they were super slow and had low number on guns / shitty accuracy. But the low tier BBs stepped up their game a lot. Faster, more guns, more range. Orion and Gangut are complete monsters, when compared to the original T4 BBs Myogi and Wyoming. Myogi: 3x2, Gangut: 4x3. Ofc the later will blast cruisers out of the water much easier, just by sheer amount of shells. Orion has the range, that some T8 cruisers dont have and can put cruisers dead in the water using HE at ranges, they cant even fire back.

In the recent T6/T9 ranked season I actually went Musashi and PEF (well, I would have done PEF, but division mate took that position so I did T-61). T8 and T10 however... But lets wait the for the next T10 CW season. So far, we can only speculate, if Kremlin will really perform so superior. I can see problems in the stationary playstyle. You got a few more ships around, that can actually punish that. But it will no doubt be a decent pick.

Your point? Thats exactly what I said. Which you left out while quoting party of me, making my statement sound very different. Besides the point, Ive done this a few times with Isokaze in the last weeks, because I played a little more T4, helping clanmates regrind & grind myself. Which I also stated on several occasions, is bad for new players, that WG is forcing experianced players back on the low tiers to regrind their lines for a questionable reward. __ I think it needs even more. - Limit divisions to 2 on T3/T4 - Forbid divisions on T1/T2 - Change the research bureau, so that ship lines are only resetted to T6 - Fix Hosho.... - Give T3 ships AA no matter if that historical accurate or not OR exclude T3s from games with CVs.

My trip into the world of madness while playing DDs continues. This was a loss with Ognevoi. I was desperatly trying to fight the loss, gunboating in the open, keeping the CV busy and what not. Honestly: almost 2,2 million potential damage in a T8 DD - I think thats insane? Thats usualy numbers, that Khaba is pulling but not an Ognevoi. And look how usefull my spotting was for my team. Almost 18k damage did they manage...

From over here, it sounded as if you want to point out, that german BBs have a very bad rudder shift compared to other BBs. I played my first Bismarck games with secondary focus. Had a bad time. I switched to my standard tank/surv build, which I use on US/UK BBs, and voilá, it works. Sure, you can now say "why not play a NC then, because it can do the same but better" and I couldnt disagree with that...

You´re a bad person - but I like the way you think !

You pretend your numbers back up your claim - and hope nobody actually checks! Monarch: 21 sec Amagi: 20,8 sec NC: 20,0 sec Richelieu: 21,5 KGV: 21 sec Lyon: 19,8 sec And the german BBs are faster, compared to some WAY faster. So dont paint a picture as if the german BBs are WAY off their competition when they are exactly among them. And the thing about Damage Con 2 counts for all the same.

@Aragathor - Bismarck can be workable. These are my last games. Ill add a but tho: this is all division and the by far best game, which lift the stats up, was a heavy T6 game (125k + 4 kills). And thats pretty much my verdict so far about Bismarck: in T10 games you struggle, in T6 she is very very strong, better then other T8s. But she scales badly. In a T10 Game I´d rather be in the Monarch. Not trying to be funny. The difference between you and him was the conclusion, that was painted. While his was honest, yours can even be discribed as stat shaming. Also, what you posted was completly irrelevant. You posted almost three year old stats. From times, half of the recent ships werent even around. So what are you trying to prove with those numbers? And if thats your last call, about judging ships by overall erformance, then we can fall back to the server stats @ColonelPete posted. And they show: german BBs are fine. So what seems to be your problem?

First of all: I kinda agree with you. But honestly - there is a way to deal with them. A lot of the CVs are not THAT good. I tried today so I know the situation and what to do. Played around with 2 CVs while beeing Isokaze untill I took them both down, once they ran out of mapspace to escape me. Then I tanked even 3 CVs with Orion. Is it fun? well. Depends. Its challenging. But new players, that lack the experiance and, whats more important, premium consumables, captains with more then 10 points, have a hard time....

No. you were carefully selecting something to make it fit your narrative - and you know it.

I literally citadelled a Roma with Fiji ^^

One in three guns of each turret is fake made out of wood and fabric I suppose?

Sure, Id love that. But I have doubts it will happen. btw: we used to have T8 Operation - Cherry Blossom - which was suspended with the CV Rework. Bringing it back and/or extending OPs unfortunatly dont seem to be on the high priority list right now...

What is wrong with the forums these days? All those topics where people look for help are just rants and they dont give 5 cents about the answers, all they look for is confirmation for their obvious wrong observations? I think we need a mod here - this makes no sense anymore...I could tell you now, how wrong your behavouir is (on top of your claims/observations) but ill let @Excavatus handle this from here..

obviously not, else you would not write the following things: Also: So you cant back up your claims. Either you miss things, want to rant or dont understand spotting mechanics fully. Enjoy.

They are not l2p comments. They contain details infomartion, why something happens and how to prevent them. If you cant process that - its not my fault. OFC you need to learn how to use that, aka learn how to play. Every help/advice is in its core a "l2p" comment. If you are so thin-skinned, that you cant take it - then dont ask for advice! I ask for advice constantly and absorb as much as possible from that & say "thanks a lot". Yea sure, you need to... ah im sorry. thats a "learn to play" comment. I wont violate your save zone anymore. Literally the first Roon Ive met after I read this topic yesterday. You can figure out where I hit then, I dont want to tell you how to "learn to play" K. now Im sure - you are trolling.

It not magic, it exists. I wrote it before aswell. Its exactly as @mariouus says. Just because you dont want to see it doesnt make it non-existant. No wonder. its called personal bias. The thing is this: Why would anyone go through the hassle and try to convince you? Its about as hard as it was to make the native americans accept christian believe. What do we gain from it? See? nothing. We couldnt care less. I followed this topic and I think all answers you got have been resonable and are well known to all the experianced players. I can abuse them when I meet Roons/Hindenburgs because I know from discussions with other players, videos and own experiances, where I need to hit. If you want to exclude yourself from learning - you only hurt yourself buddy.

When you shoot, your shooting range becomes your detection range. The ships concealment doesnt matter then and for the upcoming 20 sec. Unless you are able to block vision to anything spotting you during those 20 sec. Sounds kinda far fetched. replay? Same. Thats not possible unless you sit in your smoke screen. ofc you will not spot them then earlier. Replay? Not sure what you are talking about. Also, impossible to make a statement without any concrete information. And before you explain with words: post a replay.

Those that cant dont need a special build to be made useless - and those that can wont care about your build. Thats pretty much the state of this two-dimensional system WG calls "rework"

I actually refuse to believe, that they will not do something about this. This is now as bad as the times T4 CVs had manual drops available. Oh and about 19 point captains on low tiers: I think, this is a seperate issue and actually a real problem. In the long run, both those things WILL cost WG future players and thats something, that needs to concern everyone, that likes to play this game and wants to play it in the future. And WG has the answer to some of the problems already there, they just need to push through with it. Manual secondaries dont work as good on T1 to T6 ships as they do on T7+ - why shouldnt that work for other skills in the same fashion? Demolition expert, concealment expert, just to name a few. Btw: captain skills like "Last Stand" are total BS imo, because its basically a way to stomp new players or players, that dont have that skill (yet) for w/e reason. If someone is so bad in a DD, that he doesnt understand, that he needs LS, well, you wont need him to lie defensless in the water. And last stand is a must pick anyway, which imo is the sign oh a bad design if you have to take something without any alternative. It should either be build in for DDs (as a cruiser skills thats ok, if you want to make sure, you can still navigate when losing rudder imo) or should be a module, so everyone has access on equal terms. Or how about limit divisions on T1 to T4? I dont see any reason to division on T1/T2, new players can and should go through there alone. btw: if you take a new player by the hand and division with him on T2, you ruin his matchmaking protection, that I can confirm. So you are not helping him. And T3/T4 its enough to allow divisions of 2. No need for tripple divisions, its too powerfull and attracts too many people padding their stats.

Its a reference to one of the streams, where one WG developer spoke about the rework and answered questions, that came from the community during the stream. A couple of times, he refered to spreadsheets, which gives them date (sometimes as a joke), basically shutting down criticism with that answer. So thats where this was born.