ForlornSailor

I stole quite some with my Isokaze & Orion (had a couple of 100k games) else his avg would be higher

Why does my Isokaze not have a TRB... its not fair !

While this is true, the BBs pretty much trade this with beeing farmed by DDs. Especially T4/T5 used to be the tiers, where DDs had it pretty easy, especially the IJN DDs or Clemson. I dont really need to be afraid of DDs anylonger, since they cant run around unspotted on the map and make your life a living hell. And an agile BB like Cesare can actually dodge all torps from a Hosho. Needs a little attention and a CV that doesnt understand you already turn before he starts his drop. But yea, even with Orion I rather take a couple of CV torps then beeing hunted from an Isokaze or alike.

You see, the server is only showing the number of bots it still needs to create, to line up enough cannon fodder for the Hoshos. Just a small glitch. But that also explains the brainless hordes of surfaces ships on those tiers, right?

You think the T8 HP buff is unfair and that its limited to T8? ALL OF THEM RUSSIAN BBs GOT IT !!11 As if Kremlin didnt have enough HP, now it has 111.800 !!! ALMOST AS UNKILLABRA AS A STALINGRAD !!!

Send replay and screens to support, this is crossing a line. Let me mark @Crysantos and @MrConway here, I hope theyll find the time to see this.

Have you played a low tier game recently? Have you seen the chat there? Some of those players even came to the forum voicing their anger. And while we had people complaining about T8 / T10 CVs before the rework, I cant remember this level of rage against T4 CVs, honestly. Well, back then when T4 CVs used to have manual attacks. But still, the new Hosho beats the damage output of RTS Hosho with manual drop. And this while providing ultimate spotting AND unbeatable endgame impact. And your assumption is, that you need to be a super unicum to counter play a CV. This isnt the reality nor realistic. Because you can use this logic for literally every or any situation in the game to make a point. Like CLs vs BB, DD vs Radar or you name it.

My view on this topic: The reasons, why maybe it is not possible to pull those extremly crazy winrates (althought the best are close to it) are the following: - Its easier to control your planes now. Only yesterday I learned, that some people in RTS controlled all their squads entirely by mouse... omg. This makes the CVs more accessable and easy to play. - The impact of CVs has risen. Even a CV noob these days provides a lot of spotting compared to old RTS CV mode. Reasons for that: old RTS mode, they had all squads in one place (if using all squads at all) so they passed the map every few minutes. Also, the enemy CV, if a strong player, just harvested the planes from the sky, effectivly also denying spotting. Now, a unicum CV players means of denying spotting to the enemy CV(s) are limited. If balancing is giving all CVs ultimate spotting capabilites without counter meassure then.... to me its a HUGE gain in influence. So, these things will lower the winning chances of the unicum CV when facing a worse CV. But those are changes, that made CVs stronger and gave them more influence overall. And before anyone wants to argue about those points, claiming im wrong, I have a challenge for you: Play 10 games T4 with a french DD. then play 10 games T4 with a cruiser like Karlsruhe. As in this week. Please do this before you argue about the points. Im sure you will not have fun and you will experiance the helplessness when you are spotted all the time. Its often not even the CV that will harvest you but glorious masterrace that can rule the low tiers togehter with their new best friend, the CV. Should be obvious what class im refering to as masterrace.

Indeed more of this. But one thing: please remove two brothers from the map pool!

I just wanna throw in: this topic is best when you ignore it for two weeks and then take your time reading through it with a nice wine or a cold beer. Thanks to everyone sharing those moments, its hilarious . So now, ill contribute something aswell: A full broadside Moskva gets spotted, I popp my reload booster (Jean Bart) and almost delete him with 2 shots. After that I notice, that he and his devision is "out to get me" ^^ They circle the map, shoot at nothing else but me (even let our DD cap A in complete peace on Loop, while they are running down the 1 line behind the islands) and once the Moskva understands, he wont make it out alive, he starts engaging me in chat. I missed to screenshot the first part, where he says im a noob and bring shame to JB because im using HE in her. So thats when I decide to remind him about the 50k AP broadside he took and things kick off ^^.

Mate, I heard one of those border camping BBs view of the game recently (I know, I know, everyone always wondered, if they can actually talk, I found a specimen, that could). So here is goes: the guys, that drive to the caps or are outnumbered because of him camping in the back, are at fault. He continued: They/we are absolutly stupid, because when you are outnumbered and get shot at - its your own fault. All you need to do is - not let the enemy shoot you. Im not even kidding or making this up. Thats the words spoken from a 40% BB border humper.

What? unless I miss something, that was YOU who said that o.0 wtf...

And here is the reality, from your stats: Now we have a look at the game, I just played: Id say I nailed it. And we also see, where your "100k credits" claim comes from - the wrong info on the first page.

No, you dont. Thats exactly what I was talking about. Played a coop Salem right now just to get the data. Even if you go with zero premium consumables in, you hardly make 30k profit. And that was a really good game for coop.

Just to make sure: you do look at the last page of the results, aka "credits and XP"? because the first page only tells you the sum without any deductions. It gives the false impression, that higher tier ships earn more credits. I dont often take screens from that page, but here is what a decent game in a T6 silver cruiser can net you: And if you think about it, 200k profit is not bad. 5 Games and you got a million.

Funny enough, even Lightning & Ognevoi AA was enough to keep most CV players in check. I faced exactly one competent CV player in all my 27 games - and he ofc won the game all by himself.

Such a hard vote. I love ships from every nation ingame. Kinda weird PA has no vote yet - maybe because they only have DDs. But they have a few really awesome DDs! Recently im in love with IJN tho, the DDs and BBs are really delivering nice games. RN is one of my favourite over all. Every class is awesome. Withoutthe german Z-39 & T-61 I would have missed some of the best times I ever had in this game. And I learnd how to play BBs with the german line. The french are awesome because of the reload booster, its the go-to-nation for fun games. US: the US DDs started my career as a DD-player. Fletcher is still my all time favourite DD, just beautiful Jack of all trades.

One thing ive learned over the years, beeing an active part of many communities, getting involved in discussions etc: the opinion of the best players will always be declined by the majority. They will always look at their posts with a mixture of spite, envy and suspicion, that anything those players say, is done out of fear, that their favourite toy might be nerfed. So they suspect, they try to rig the game in their favour. Another thing, ive learned during that time: those best players most of the time actually have only the best in mind for their favourite game. And they actually know better then the devs - most of the time.

Oh yea, I agree and I always did. They bring another dimension to the game, which is usualy good. And those are prolly the reasons why they keep twisting and turning around the class. Artifically trying to push CVs into a position, the community cant handle. We had RTS CVs, which were argueable difficult to play but once you mastered the class, you had a huge impact. Sure, you can argue, if that should be the case. But just for the record: The most powerful tools, that WG gave RTS CVs, were never asked for and have been called out for beeing broken/wrong by the community. Like the strafing from Saipan or late AP Bombs. Not to mention the decisions, that made it frustrating to pick up CVs as a new player, like the crippled T4/T5 CVs. I wish they would just accept, that CVs will be a niche. The only way to blow up the player numbers, is to make them artifically OP. And then you anger the 90% of the other players. Thats the point, I dont understand about WG. Sure, you can squeez some money by selling OP CVs but how much you are you risking to lose on the other end...

Just to give another perspective to this (and I simply quoted you know because you were the last to speak about numbers and % ^^): I never understood why it was and is of relevance to meassure the sucess of a class in percentage of the playerbase. Especially looking back on RTS days. I always wanted to play RTS CVs but I didnt want to unlock them since I didnt want to play low tier BBs. And I had Fuso & New Mex from missions chains so there was no other reason either to play the low tier BBs. Anyway, drifting from the point. If WG just looks for percentage of the player base, well there is one easy way to drive the numbers up *looking at Hosho*. Then you only have to throw enough food to the pack ... *looking at Viribus Unitis* and everyone is happy, rework success. Oh no, wait - everyone is not happy, quite the opposite. And you wouldnt have to change CVs from RTS to... whatever we have now if you wanted to drive the player numbers up this way. So where does this leave us? CVs dont seem to attract the majority of the playerbase. And thats ok. I fail to see whats wrong with it? I never saw a problem with it, to be precise. This was mentioned as a "problem" before the rework - only a small part of the community plays CVs. But those that did, did it with passion. Why does it make the game better, if everyone plays CVs? How does the game improve? I dont get it.

I even agree on that point, dont get me wrong. But here is the thing: sometimes it might be observation bias from our side, since we noticed the flaw in the system and a possibility to abuse it. Let me explain. A BB, sitting in the back, using only HE, might be someone , who plays only for saving the star and does this deliberately. It might also just be a really bad player, that does not know better and plays randoms like that aswell. Those players exist in randoms aswell and they dont do it to save a star there ;) There is this huge problem over all of this, and thats how the game gives feedback to the player. You can literally sit at the map border with your Yamato, sniping HE with a spotter plane and if you are half-way decent with hitting, racking up 100k and be top XP on a losing team, while not even losing a single health. Now, everyone that has a slight idea on how to play this game, knows, that this is wrong on so many levels. Yet those players think, they are doing it right and the game tells them "you did awesome". There is just not enough innitiative to do "the right thing" and play for the win and/or objectives. And this translates into Ranked aswell. And those are the reasons, why I think, the game itself needs to push/reward players more to play for the win OR discourage/punish people, that dont, rather then work around the symptoms of it (which is your approach). So the following idea gets my vote aswell: Thats another option. And winning would still help you get to Rank 1 faster, since more XP, so there is an inniative to play for the win.

@CptBarney Well, its up to each individual how he handles these randoms games. OP just sounded like he might be at a point where I was before. Others dont have a problem with that at all. I dont judge, both is fine as long as you enjoy the game.

Sure, some people play like that. Some people even play like this from minute 0 of every game they play. But I hope you also realize, that with this style they put their team at a disadvantage and thus they will lose more often then they win? So they will hardly get anywhere or they need 1000s of games per season to get to rank 1 (there are a few out there like this) Well, It should be. Just ignoring this will not make it go away or your idea any better. Its like saying "remove all the traffic lights, because then the cars get faster from A to B" and someone throws in "but all the pedestrians will die then?" and you say "i dont care, isnt relevant to my point of making cars move faster". Still a bad idea. Thats just wishfull thinking. Every experianced player will infact tell you, that Ranked is all about the grind. And one more question: how do you determine, that bad players usualy save their star? How do you judge this? Like I showed in my example - it isnt? I think I can be so bold to make that statement, that indeed the skilled players saved their star (I only do this because it was my divi mate, that usualy saved it, else I would sound kinda smug). Sometimes it also doesnt hurt to admit, that the other guy in your team deserved to save the star because he did more. It might be, that you have not realized, how much he did. But bottomline is: system is not perfect but it will get WAY worse if you remove the star-saving-option. And that is a mathematical fact, not an opinion.

@mtm78 As I explained above: what you refered to, was not my point. Im looking at the bigger picture of the star-saving-system and explain why you just cant dump it without replacing it somehow.

- Get a clan - Play in divisions I´d be in an mental institution by now if I would play solo & without a clan all the time...