ForlornSailor

So then we can aswell take away his rewards. why do you care? No idea what that has to do with anything? You imply that you care if that Zao gets credits and XP? You do understand, that in CBs every player gets the same XP, right? And that this topic is specifically about randoms? So please dont throw "but ranked, but CB" stuff in here as arguments - you are waaay off topic.

Completly missed the point here. I survive about 65% of my battles recently yet im a very aggressive player and usualy among the first to make contact with the enemy. According to you, that doesnt fit together. And talking about rewarding: Such a mechanic, that would make people stop from suiciding early, would actually benefit the good players. Because you get more XP / Credits in a game that lasts 15 mins compared to a 6 min rofl stomp - no matter if you win OR lose. So we rigged the match because we beat the enemys in 4 mins. rofl. nice.

So are randoms. And trading ships in the first 3 mins cant be a good thing since you have no clue in which direction the game is going to swing. Well, thats kinda the point, isnt it? It shouldnt happen. We all hate those one sided games, that are over within 6 mins because one team ran out of points, half the team dead. If it can be enforced, that those people play more careful, then thats a win-win. Remember: they are on your team also.

To realize ones fault is the first step to become better. Many never even reach that stage so Sure. You caught me (Or I caught you) on a bad moment - I came straight out of a game where my 4 DDs managed to die in the first 180 seconds. That might have influenced my judgement (and certainly my mood) .

With all those people, that even admit, that they dont care about winning, teamplay or even "want to play all their ships every day, so they have only 3 min per game" I think its neccessary to enforce playing for the team/win at this point.

The thing is: those ships often cant activly dodge. They are build around stationary game play. What @El2aZeR described, has happened to me before when playing those cruisers. Its even worse when you play a T8 cruiser without heal and lower health. Half your healh pool gone, because you are stationary at an island. Should I run in the open, dodge and mittigate the CV damage? Awesome, then I will be farmed by the glorious masterrace. When there is a Mino spotted in the open on the map, almost every BB will be getting horny and shoot you from across the map. Thats one of the reasons I said before, that CVs and BBs are best buddies these days. ...and the only reason, why this game is still playable, is, that most CV players are absolute trash in what they are doing. We should be happy, that this is the case. Cruisers and DDs would be dead classes by now and the forum literally on fire...

I hope you are not beeing serious here. These days in the forums its hard to tell tho.

If you miss the point, I dont think I can help you. Keep crying when you are low tier then. And dont forget to shake fist in anger. Also, A+ to you for fast reading.

That implies, those people understand anything about game mechanics. Long story short: they dont. They would still be outmatched if you´d give them an imaginary T12 ship. But yea, in the core your thinking describes the problem of those players / the game. They think, they will be "top of the food chain" once they sit in a T10 ship themself. Reality is, they are just a bigger XP pinata. But even if the game is build like that, its not an excuse for beeing ignorant and keep pointing the finger at other players around you and the game mechanics. Its a teamgame. And it doesnt matter if you are a T8 in a T10 game. Everyone can do a huge part to raise the chances to win the game. Today I played Ognevoi in a heavy T10 game. So I noticed I have a stron Smolensk player on my team. What did I do? spot for him... communicate with him, asking when he needs a smoke... so I went back to smoke him up the exact moment his own smoke ends so he could eff-up the enemy team with no end. Easy win and really stress free for me. So I dont buy this "im low tier I can do shiaaat" excuse. I will still blame the player, easy as that.

It might also be, that RN DDs dont exactly suit you. Looking your stats, this is a problem that spans across all RN DDs upwards T7. Maybe just try another DD line for a change, and see, if they are more your thing? But we cant judge how you play Daring and the other RN DDs. If you want more detailed feedback, upload a replay?

Its your loss, if I may be so blunt. Im very direct and go straight down to the point. This way its easy to point out mistakes and tell whats going wrong. But some people have a thin skin and take this personal. Cant help you in that sense. It also doesnt help, if you blame your team (I saw that post of you in the ranked sprint topic) while your stats point out, that you are no where near to carry a team. I can only tell you once again: you need to take a look in the mirror. And if you dont want to, then atleast stop blaming others for your shortcomings. The only way, to become a real good player, is, to constantly question yourself. And get feedback from other players. If you think, im sitting on some kind of high horse, only preaching to everyone, you are very wrong. I have a good and recent example. I never valued secondary builds on german BBs. So I got into an argument with someone, who plays his BBs like that. Instead of having an ego-trip, I went to division with him. And he showed me, how to play with a secondary build. I acknowledged, that he is a very good player and makes this build work perfectly. We are buddies now ingame, division regulary and I learned something. Win-win. And thats only one case of many that happen all the time. And just to point it out: Eventhough you might read it as if he is defending me, he is speaking from experiance. He came to the forum long ago, asking for help, got all sorts of feedback but didnt take it personal, even some of it may have been harsh, filtered the usefull things and improved by it. So while you criticise me for judging you with prejudice - you fell in the same trap when you judged him.

This. I also hate this so much...

On top of that: This playstyle is doing the enemy CV a huge service (if he really is a dangerous unicum). The only chance you have to win against a superior CV, is, to kill his team faster than he can decimate your team. If you give up from the start and camp, you only bring tears of joy to the enemy CV, since he got all game to farm.

They could tie it to the regular perma camo. Or go extra spicy and let people pick the perks, which would influence the price of the camo. I personally wouldnt mind any of the possible solutions.

I suggested that long ago, that you should be able to design your own perma camo. Could just select from all the existing ones. I actually have no idea why WG doesnt implement this - its a win-win. People get a freedom of choice and thus WG will sell more perma camos.

computer says no.

Says person with 45% WR. The problem, why decent players like OP quit the game is people like YOU. Buying a T7 premium ship with exactly ZERO experiance under the belt and then thinking you are in the position of telling people with 5000+ games and 57+% WR how to play the game. But yea, same logic as here: logic train colided, no survivors.

Help what? You think it helps, when you paint colorful pictures if someone is sick of the game? you think he is going to play on while he pretty much says he hates the game (or better part of the players)? Or you think your fantasy idea about leagues for randoms games help? lolz. btw: stop playing Haida. You have no buisiness on that Tier in that DD with no experiance. You might aswell be one of the DDs I just refered to, ruining the game for me & OP.

If anything, we have this already. The complete and utter incompetence I see on my side regulary while the enemy team s a mix of people that can atleast hold their own, quite frankly disgusts me. Just right now I lost all my 4 DDs within 180 seconds of the start, while the enemy 4 DDs played a perfect match, spotting, dodging & killing everyhing. But yea, easy to complain about matchmaking when these days its too much to ask of your team to survive 180 stupid seconds. ALT F4 for me, im done for this weekend, not even gonna touch the game, its all downhill from here.

On top of that: play all other classes more. IMO - you cant learn how to counter play against CVs while keep on playing Shimakaze. You need experiance in Cruisers and BBs aswell to know, how they can help you. Also, that will teach you how you can help them. Because CVs are certainly a problem for DDs but tbh: especially on T10 there is so much more to DD play that you need to know to make your team successful.

thx. now you reminded me of the enemy Thunderer and the Yamato (with HP skill ofc) from yesterday. urgh. so disgusting.

Angling? in Randoms? Have you played T10 recently? Or as I like to call it: broadside-r******-haven?

To be fair: thats not the best argument. I could easily answer this with: hell yea??

Guys! We have someone who told about our inner zecret! GET HIM!

Point me to where this is the fault of the matchmaker? Its pretty obvious, that the red team consisted of a perfect mixture of campers & yoloers. I´d bet my behind, that the 4 guys at the bottom were sitting behind an island, most likely A or C, while the 4 guys above them made a perfect yolo run, showing broadside to every BB they saw and collecting torps aswell. So how do you fix stupid?