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Secondary Pommern in ranked Secondaries useless on german BBs? WTF Excellent when you have non-overmatchable ships (Alsace, Alaska, Bismarck) bowtanking you. Secondaries make a lot of work... sadly, had no use as - once again - my team just suicided without doing anyting and - AGAIN - an AFK ship on my team Could be such a nice mode to play secondary ships, if the teammates would just be more capable and practice speed suiciding. Hopefully, 2nd or 3rd sprint will be better and i can bring out secondary pommern to get some brawling action This weeks will be DD-power to rank out...

Yep, i mostly agree with this. Half the team suiciding in 5 minutes - why do they even play this game? They arent playing at all... And these suiciders only do this, so they can farm steel with 0 effort. Suicide, next game. They will win eventually, and since AFKing doesnt work, they just hit W and die. People cant tell me that im wrong about this, it makes perfect sense because we get steel for wins - not for stars. Hope they vanish next week into silver, or the week after that. 3rd and 4th week was best in the test season. Mostly players who actually tried to play for the game, talking, listening. Even if they werent the best players, they still tried their best. Not what these [edited]ers are doing now, thats just griefing and reward hoarding.

well, if they wouldnt be there, you would only play against bots, not sure if thats any better. Id rather have them play lowtiers, than on those guys with <1000 battles in T8-10 randoms and ranked, where they have no clue how to play. So i guess more people play more lowtiers to enjoy the game, because hightiers are ruined by people who should play lowtiers

Guess because they are just so numerous, but having them shatter all the time on everything... And ofc they synergize so well with the no-fire SAP ammo... I just wouldnt do it, makes no sense.

Who even made that crap up about secondary ITA BBs? Their secondaries are garbage, why would i build for those ?!

Are you surprised by that? I mean, havent we heard whining about italian Cruiser ever since... they got released? What the average player ofc forgets is, that they deal a grand total 0 fire damage, because they dont start fires. So if a normal HE cruiser gets x damage, and a part of that is repairable fire damage, then having less damage than x by only using SAP can be worth more damage than the HE+ fire damage. Its like Mino AP only, where 80k is probably worth more than 100k on HE farmers. I dont think midtier ita CAs are weak either, they just require more skill to perform. Something, the average player clearly lacks. So with that in mind, no wonder WG is happy pushing SAP everywhere, because average player cant use SAP properly.

Indeed, we had one game yesterday, where the DD stayed withe the CV; but the Phoenix didnt. So i guess it has something to do with when they are spotted. That one game, CV was spotted rather late, thats why i think it depends on that. If noone spots them, then the DD keeps going straight, maybe Phoenix too? Also they changed the Bretagne moving path. It doesnt beach anymore.

And im not surprised by that...

Bah, way too much... was their an easier option that this around even? Would have gladly taken it

I think you went to the wrong forum, you are looking for WoWs, not WoBBs Seriously tho, i doubt we will see much if anything. Maybe the Znamenskys will get a buff (obvious reasons) because IIRC they got nerfed aswell. And id rather not have them give new buffed skills, i [edited]want those skills on the Cruiser back in the first place - like PM. How upside down can you be, if the best armored ships need PM, while much weaker ships supposedly dont need it? But thats how WG is seeing Cruisers/DDs: Pinatas. [edited]their turrets/tubes, they dont need them. They should just roll over and die to their BB/CV overlords and stop complaining. Better yet, just join their side, so WG can finaly remove DDs and Cruisers from the game, and we have World of Battleships - like originally intended. Maybe then CVs and Subs get their own PvE gamemode, so BBs can play unmolested from everything. Ups, wrote myself into rant-mode, but what can ya do?

Thats what BBaby NA CCs are telling everyone... no wonder this keeps floating around

eh, thats not the way i see it. Whatever the meta is, you cant really look at that. And secondary BBs also got a new skill, which buffs the main battery reload, that one is awesome! Scharnhorst with 18 sec reload f.e. Ive played Secondary Massa - still works for me, barely any difference in secondary damage output. Yes, you might hit less, which often is a result that non-focused secondaries open up while you didnt realize a target somewhere popping up inside of your range. Yesterday tried full secondary (IFHE) pommern in ranked - its extremely strong. Sadly, with the teamquality, i have to play DD to actually carry, because otherwise my potato DDs always die to enemy DDs or the CV. Secondary PEF works great in OPs and randoms, something you couldnt do before. Dont think russian BBs really got nerfed with that. If you want, you can always use dead-eye on them aswell

Did you watch the video? Thats really dumb clickbait imo. And "conveniently" the screenshot missing where we could verify, how much damage those secondaries dealt. Most of the time, they actually dont do any damage at all. The only reason he gets so many hits, is because the ships are fairly close (musashi <4km, wichita <5km), and they dont deal any damage. Put a german BB in that place, the Wichita would probably just melt with 50 secondary hits. Italian BBs have same dispersion as the other BBs aswell, pen is really crap, i dont think he even ran IFHE, because even on a DD he deals like 0 damage. He get 10 hits on the Yugumo, and at best i think 1 or 2 dealt damage - so most likely the 152mm guns which can pen more than 19mm. So that was like what, couple of hundred damage (hard to say because yugumo is burning), maybe they didnt deal any damage at all, because a pen from the 152mm guns should be >700 damage. Yugumo doesnt lose that much HP at any point. https://wowsft.com/ship?index=PISB109&amp;modules=1111&amp;upgrades=000000&amp;commander=PCW001&amp;consumables=1111&amp;pos=0 7km secondaries - 427m dispersion Thats actually worse than germans, Bismarck has 361m at 7,6km He probably got more damage from fires than by direct damage. And fires are always just luck, might get 2, target DCPs, and then you dont get one after that...

Didnt see you in my screenshots (just checked) Also i would have needed to be in a Fletcher if it helps, because only won games with Fletcher today^^

My team in 2nd game today. I was moving ahead to the island. Kitakaze suicided into the cap, not sure how he died in like 20 secs despite not even eating a torp. Same time he dealt like 3k to the enemy Kita. Fletcher was spotted moving down that flank by the Kita, so i waited a moment, hoped i would surprise him - didnt work, started to kite, because by that time, the Kronshtadt managed to suicide broadside into all the 3 BBs. Neustra, instead of helping, also suicided into the 5 enemies. imagine rewarding campers. And how the [edited]the Georgia lost all its HP is a mystery to me, must have taken all östergötland torps or something, otherwise noone even engaged him First game however, Bismarck takes the cake: He was just sitting in spawn, didnt move for minutes while he gave us his instructions - which we didnt follow (C-Cap was enemy home cap btw). So then he suicided at some point Well, cant argue with Logic Why would you ever use AP anyway First salvo with my D.Alighieri was 10k on an angled Danae. For some reason, after that guns stopped hitting... must be balanz They are clearly mourning the death of their 2 brethren next to the island

Aha, so let me show some ranked players from today Thats not all ofc, just collected from 1 game (except the first). Clearly, the creme de la creme of wows competetive scene. Dying within 2-4 minutes of playing time, much skill needed to do that! I mean it, you really need skill to be THAT useless Yeah, Yugumo, Bismarck, Riga, Hizen, Östergötland, Bajie, Iowa, Roma, Buffalo, Kansas, Siegfried, Roon, FDG, Alsace, Tallinn - all highly competetive meta ships. Strongest what wows has to offer. Btw all ships ive seen today in my 6 ranked games - some of them several times even.

Imagine thinking ranked are not like randoms He needed to make something up so it doesnt sound like he got carried

Venezia on Sleeping Giant

Had @kapnobathrac on our team not too long ago. Was kinda easy win, so nothing much to say

Killing (almost) all DDs in 2 Smaland games... still wasnt enough in the first one even, because team was just camping in spawn, yet still dying They rather lose and survive, than try something. Tallinn with 8k HP One more from Ranked, Hizen camps island. Reverses one side, i see him accelerate. Rush ahead, torp where he is going out, run away. Wasnt a flawless execution as he saw me for a split second before he ate the torps, then flooded to death Outplaying a Kitakaze with Fletcher: 1. Outspot him 2. Slowdown and shoot him 3. Hope he shoots back - he did and stays spotted 4. Shoot him for 20 secs 5. Throw torps while leaving own smoke to dodge his torps 6. Hit it with a torp 7. Receive minor damage (<2k) 8. CV comes in and snags the kill at <300 HP (see 20.432 damage of whatever he has max)

Nah its also crap. Slightly less crap than Tallinn, but still pretty bad. Wouldnt play either in ranked, because they dont really bring anything good to the table. Riga radar is way too short to kill DDs, and Donskoi might just get deleted if you play it badly while trying to radar the DDs.

Because you said, CVs are supposed to alleviate a DD imbalance, which actually doesnt happen. There are basicly 2 cases: - Good CV kills DD, thus creates a DD imbalance - Noob CV doesnt kill/attack/Spot DD, so he doesnt do anything. Result, CVs make it worse. Best case, they dont change anything if 2 CV noobs face each other.

FreeXP, Commaner XP, Coal or Special signals. So not worth the effort imo. ill probably stay in bronze. Im already sick and tired of playing with the imbecile crowd again, like first week in the first season. They need to [edited]off into Silver and gold, where they can keep AFK/suiciding without me. I hope next sprint is better again with people actually trying to play the game, and not go reward hording

1+2+3 there are some cases where i will use it. F.e. the HE/SAP shells for small caliber cruisers which dont get the debuff, Heavy AP maybe on BCs because everything else is even worse and TGG on some midtier Cruisers, because they can trigger it quite often. Havent decided if i want it on some hightier Cruisers like Germans or BCs like Ägir, Alaska and Stalingrad, as they can get closer to brawl or have bad concealment to begin with. Outnumbered ill never use on anything.

But one that occurs quite often...