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If heavily angled its usually not a citadel imo. Yes 10-15k damage sounds bad, but that could basicly be 3-4 Penetrations. Still better than 30k showing broadside. And never angle full bow/Stern on... Henri IV can even overmatch that armor! Buffing their survivability would make them OP imo. Yes they get punished when they show too much broadside (43k in missouri match today) but when they get good targets its basicly easy farm damage mode. In the right hands they are pretty strong. The only buff i would go for: Give Edinburgh more torps. 3 Torps on T8 when paired more often vs T9/T10 is a joke. 6 would probably seem fine. Technically id want Fiji to have more too, but its already very strong and when it gets T5 MM then it would be bad also.

Getting called being a BOT for not rushing in and die (u see we have 4 competent ppl on our team - i got called bot by someone who has a bit more than half of my XP - wont say his name tho )

Exactly what i said? Read more carefully next time before u want to correct someone "U get it, when u get invited by a friend" meaning u have to be invited to the game to receive them.

So now that u think im talking about Detonations, its completely something different. In whos mind this is supposed to be fun?Must be some sadistic person i guess... With a total of 24 collectables, i get 13! Duplicates? Like And WG is like In order to get it, id HAVE to play stage 5 (which i still think id rather not) and then continue to get atleast 1-4 (guess its 4 with this luck) more containers from the NYR-Campaigne /rant off PS: Hope someone else is having fun after reading this - certainly NOT me (well a bit, was atleast fun to put some funny gifs/vids into this )

The best thing is to angle not completely bow on, but to show them some broadside. Then they might hit your nose, but most likely will overpen it (so no penetration and no citadel) which will result in minimal damage. And if they shoot your angled broadside, they will bounce off.

Not an expert in Dunkerque, but shouldnt u avoid bowtanking with it? Thought his bowarmor is weak and can be overmatched atleast by certain BBs? Yep just checked: 380mm guns will overmatch her, so thats basicly Warspite/QE + all higher tier BBs as far as i see. (oh and except KGV)

If we would compete with Alonso in Ferrari vs Ferrari he would still wipe the floor with us... See the point? If a better player has the same ship as u, he MOST LIKELY will win the fight. Inferior ships doesnt mean its an autoloss. Ive gone 1v1 with Marblehead vs Belfast and won. So what? He was just a bad player. Missouri is strong at radaring DDs, in a BB vs BB engagement its not better than an Iowa (i believe they are similiar otherwise (or atleast almost)). Nikolai ive encountered probably less than 10 times... And as i said, Orion is just plain stronger than Nikolai, so u can have a silver ship which is better. Where is the problem? Belfast: Ofc i agree, but there are other "good" ships. Belfast is OP. Fiji is very similiar and can yield u good results. Kutuzov: Ye strong, but as above, other good ships do exist. The strong point of the Kutuzov is, that it can handle being uptiered better than other T8 Cruisers. Because Smoke + HE. Edinburgh has smoke but not HE, so he must operate much closer to the enemy lines to deal damage. And who says that a Premium ship in the future wont be good for u? So u can have one then. Currently u have Giulio Cesare, which i consider as OP (atleast its very strong). Kidd, also a very strong DD imo.

Why are premiums which are still to come already labeled as bad? The 4 ships u mentioned are pretty much broken/OP. Nikolai is imo a bit of an exception now, because Orion has powercreeped it and is now the T4 king (kinda, the PA-DD on T4 is pretty broken/OP aswell, and probably the best counter to Orion) Belfast: Just plain OP with the Radar Kutuzov: still pretty strong despite the smoke nerf. Missouri: Radar... just wrong U get it when u get invited by a friend. On the first part: I have to agree. 5th stage mission has created an absolute shitfest of gameplay... Noone cares about playing the game, everyone is doing his own mission stuff, despite it being totaly moronic.

Eventually someone will spot u, happens all the time. With build in hydro they think, "Ha i just get closer i can spot him". The problem is, when a DD tried to be smart and spots u, he is the one getting punished. And the BB is harvesting the RN Cruisers, happened often enough in my games (not necessarily against me, but ive seen it) If there is a smoke, u want to torp it as a DD. U dont want to get close combat vs a RN CL. If BBs can be easily killed with torps in smoke, then how are BBs getting fucked now? The only thing that was changed for them, is that they cant sit in smoke and shoot (i never considered this a problem btw, if WG thought they wanted to "nerf" BBs in smoke, then it was certainly stupid). If however a ship gets detected in smoke, the BB can punish that target now, which he couldnt do before. As a Cruiser main, i feel that the smoke change only fucked them. RN Cruisers can get suddenly detected. Any other Cruiser hunting DDs is at a disadvantage suddenly, because u shoot, he smokes, u are spotted for 20 sec by that DD, u cant evade too early beacuse torps, he can shoot u all the time without retaliation, and his teammates can shoot u aswell from all over the place.

The best thing, while i managed to do that to him (he was spotted for roughly 30 secs, had to turn guns for first shot + i almost got my guns reloaded for 2nd salvo), that noone killed him! They let him escape with 1000 health while he was in range for Baltimore (even closer than me) and 2 more BBs behind me. Like one overpen would have killed him...Nope, he came back, almost capped A when i radared him. I was behind an island, and even then it took them my entire radar to shoot him ONCE to kill him. When other games require certain PC specs, for wows it should say: Need atleast IQ >120 or following qualifications: advanced diploma in rocket science or something similiar Shima complained in chat afterwards... can fully understand him

Also u can use money aswell to buy her basicly? Just use the money to exchange the XP from other ships to FreeXP

I rather see it as a problem with ppl in general these days. First they think they are so important, that everyone cares about what they say/think. Clearly not the case. Second they seem to think that everybody else is talking about them too (because they are important!) so everything which is said MUST be targeted at them. As this will be pulled out of context anyway: im not targeting anyone in this thread, this is just my general assumption over what i have observed.

Yes, ofc thats why i rant? If i would have got the collection now (which yields me 2 more santa containers), i would lean more to the side of not continueing to do the 5th stage. Not that i couldnt do it - but gameplay is so bad that its just no fun to play atm. Now its like: Get DoY + 2 more containers + some T6 ships (or atleast port slots). And in the end, if its no fun to play, why continue? If gameplay is bad its already a huge downside, but when u get screwed right in your face because u get more than 50% duplicates, it just adds up and up to a pile of crap.

Also a perfect example that those missions are the utter worst BS which makes the game 100 times worse than it already is (looking at how ppl play)... Shoot a DD? Wtf i dont need that for a mission, why the hell should i care? Shoot a Cruiser full broadside? Nah i rather tickle that bow on BB to death while everyone else can farm me. BB at the edge trying to search the next map? MÖÖÖP DD COMING THROUGH, they would hunt that BB till next week only to get the kill... Utter [edited]... fun just bumped down several levels after the 5th stage got unlocked. If u want to play just for the games sake: DONT play it till the shitty campaign is over

Still the question remains how is this fun? I mean it wouldnt be too hard to make non-duplicates appear at a better rate than something u already own.

Yep this. After watching his stream, i think a couple of weeks ago, they played 3-Conqueror-Division, and they made the team lose. But did they blame themselves? Ofc not. Sitting with 3 Toptier-BBs behind Islands slinging HE at something, while your Base is getting capped 10km behind u (one of them was almost border hugging!). Was it their fault? Yep. Did they realize it? Nope. They flamed at their stupid potato team, not realizing, they became potatoes themselves by taking that abomination named monqu-error out of port, which sucks your brain out of your head as it seems.

Oh so thats why u get Citadels sometimes, and sometimes not, because they are actually torpedoes hitting the torpedobelt entering the citadel. How come noone else thought about it, but that makes perfect sense

Hmm looks like an awesome game Where do i get 12 windowlickers in the enemy team + 11 windowlikers in my team, with a little bit more glue sniffing than the enemy team, for that i can farm them like the guy in the vid does?

After wrecking a DoY today in my Nels-ol, i wonder if the ship is worth the stupid 5th mission stage... Because i dont think it is. If they would have made it unique like the first test they presented, maybe id have gone for it. But now its just a bad Premium ship which has basicly nothing going for it except high base-AA. First endure the potatoes running wild in their DDs currently and second either grind like a madman or play like a potato myself for the sake of getting the mission done.

Not necessarily, but can be. Basicly the fun part is ofc shooting stuff. When it is smarter not to shoot at the enemy, because when u die your team loses, then u have to run away or hide, which is not so much fun, its only tactic to win the game.

First: yes he is. They made changes to smoke detection, which basicly makes every BB reveal himself when shooting from smoke (they have 13+km concealment after firing from smoke i believe) Cruisers have something between 4,5-11?km not sure exactly. But when they shoot, u can spot them from further away. Second: SMoke doesnt make them invulnerable -> BB vs Belfasts Cruiser vs Cruiser -> Lesson: Play smoke Cruisers (British Cruisers), see how they handle in smoke. Play another ship and use what u learned from playing the smoke ships to react to them in their smoke, which wont make them invulnerable.

Actually thats why i believe they made the French Cruisers like they are. How do u manage to make Cruiser players worse? Let them receive more damage when they play properly! Aka angle against shots. Now u can be a noob and show full broadside without the fear of getting insta-blapped. Kinda same pattern forming with RN BBs. Getting too much hits to citadel? Make them as hard as possible to hit without turtleback. Shooting AP at the right target is too much brainwork? Just use Thermonuclear HE and u can always do damage Not enough health? here is zombie heal for u. Getting yourself into tricky situations too much? Have better concealment than some cruisers aswell. WG wants us all to play like windowlickers where personal skill is obsolete... make everyone equally speshul.

Show more broadside. If u angle in a French Cruiser, u are getting punished because of the thin armor and the spaced armor cant help u anymore. And maybe going closer towards enemy BBs might help too. Midrange engagements or closer with BB vs French Cruiser always seem to result in overpens. Thats how i see it...

Nope, doesnt work. Has to be the citadel. I also citadelled a GK with my Roon TWICE in one salvo. He was broadside a bit angled at 14+km... not sure what i hit tho

Its not only CM. Basicly happens to any cruiser, and ive done it to cruisers aswell. Sometimes your lead is a bit off, and u think, a crap, shot infront of the target, one shell hits the tip of the bow CITADEL... seems right? Its like RNG is saying when its a Citadel or not.