DFens_666

Lets recall loadouts: US CVs only got 2 TBs at T10... so they couldnt crossdrop anything. IJN CVs could crossdrop on any tier. T4/5 ofc not that good with removal of Manual drop. Midtier BBs are rather short, so you cant hit enough torps to kill em. And on those tiers, Cruisers could slot DefAA already.

Yes, supporting DDs with worse concealment than before is certainly an option

As far as i can tell, RTS CV haters had selective memory when it comes to being targeted by one in their DD/CA/BB. - DDs can die to such a strike, i agreed with that. But they can also dodge it the easiest. - If you die to such a strike in a Cruiser, then you were stupid and didnt have DefAA most likely. (there are some exceptions, id say Atago f.e.) - BBs simply CANT die to a crossdrop. The torps didnt have the alpha power to kill a BB. Torps had like 8k maxdamage or so from Haku. Thats 96k AT BEST, and then you can remove almost half of that because torpedobelt + some planes should get shut down, and you should manage to not take all. How can you even get a permaflooding by a Crossdrop? Yes, in combination with HE bombers before. But with FP, you shouldnt get more than 2 fires anyway, and 2 fires hurt less than One flooding. So... And then there was still the option to not sail alone, stick with your Cruisers or with other BBs for better AA Its funny how people are moving in blobs now, but couldnt do so before. And to the Flamu stuff: You didnt see the drop. It was absolutely perfect. Also, you might want to look at the CV in question. Flamu dodged the torps by outplaying him. He slowed down just in time, otherwise it was a perfect drop. CV came back later and killed him. Flamu accnowledged it himself, that you can only do it once against a good CV. But its possible, and Unicum CVs were actually quite rare.

https://youtu.be/G7WyGgv5ObU?t=242 Montana, 78k HP (so not full) takes, 7 out of maximum 12 torps. Takes roughly 40k damage from those torps AND IS NOT DEAD. So you might want to get your facts straight. And the simply fact he got targeted was, that he was all alone pushing forward. So its entirely his own fault he got raped. Also took 6 mins to kill that Montana from full health to 0.

How would you die to a Crossdrop in a BB? And AP Bombs =/= Crossdrop. Crossdrop is done by torpbombers. They simply didnt have the alpha strike capability to kill a BB from full health. And if you did a Crossdrop, you basicly didnt have torpbombers left to cause a follow-up flooding (well, Taiho/ Haku had 3 TBs). Ive once took basicly all Torps from a Taiho (i think it was), in my Missouri, and i didnt die from it. And it was still my own fault, and he wasnt crossdropping me. In a Crossdrop, you take less torps, but guaranteed to take some. Even many CV players said that AP bombs are wrong for the game, but WG didnt care. That was also something that could have been changed with RTS CVs. And i have almost 2k games T8+, and those CVs never were a problem for me. Yes, i got killed by good CVs, but it was so rare i didnt mind really. Good CVs werent the issue, it was the potato-munchers humping the border with their planes. And its again WG to blame for that, for not making tutorials. Same idiots are playing CVs now and whining how bad CVs are currently, despite unicum CVs racking up even more damage than before (maximum and average)

That is not the only option, is it? For me, Concealment should be DD > Cruiser > BB. Just for balancing reasons, and not forced because "that ship is higher than the other, so it must have worse concealment" which WG is using to balance concealment. You said yourself, you like DDs the most. Do you spot Cruisers or the BBs somewhere sitting behind you? I think its you who is spotting the Cruisers in his DD. So tell me again, Cruisers need worse concealment in general, and it is balanced because BBs have slightly worse. Also id like you to consider, here are Unicum clans (OMNI/SHEN) saying that its wrong. Maybe they are right on this one, and there is a reason they are so good, so they know what those changes mean for (Cruiser)-gameplay.

Can i have reworked RTS CVs? I mean, some stuff they changed would have been benefitial for RTS CVs aswell. Like planes with HP, and not entirely RNG based.

Feels like there is only a handful of reasonable people left in the forums... Certainly, when some ships are too strong, nerf whole class because reason. And Worcester got nerfed anyway, which it needed. How about Cruisers are hurt by certain BBs being too accurate and punishing? So we might give Cruisers 50km concealment, as long as BBs have, lets say, 70km, everything is fine What an enormous buff to Cruisers: 20km concealment advantage over BBs, yaay.

1. Only DDs would die to a strike like that 2. DDs COULD evade such a drop, ive seen Flamu evade one with his Harugumo vs Adam_1000. 3. Cruisers and BBs dont die to such a drop, take 3 maybe wasnt a big deal. They didnt deal so much damage anyway. But then the CV needed like 3 mins or so to get back to the same target. With new CVs they can attack again while DCP is still on CD. And they can throw 3 waves or torps in one squad anyway. And last but not least: Despite people saying their AA ships got slaughtered by CV, it was mostly their own fault. They saw planes at 7km and popped DefAA, CV turned around and waited 40 secs. Basicly last day of RTS CVs a CV tried this with me. I told him in chat that i wont bite, that triggered him and he went all in. I received like 3k damage With new CVs, they can make initial drop, and press F if needed. Then come back with next squad, try to get a DoT. Or press F because DefAA is on. Either way, they can just vanish from your AA. While before moving from 3km back to safety from a full AA ship was hardly doable without severe losses.

Imo there are several issues with changing the spotting mechanics: - If the CV spots for himself, it reduces the teamplay entirely from the CV. They are already doing their own stuff, without it, it gets even worse. - Consumable for spotting would need to be on CD when the game starts, otherwise we are back to square one. Imo initial spotting with tactic relay to your team is HUGE (atleast for good players) - Making CV spotting Minimap only -> same issue as above. Bad people dont understand minimap, good players can still use that info to their advantage. - Either way, CV divisions using voice chat will have an even bigger advantage, as they simply can tell their division mates whats going on. - Either solution is counter-intuitive for the playerbase. (usually WG throws this around at every possible opportunity, here i think it actually makes sense). Planes not spotting torps is causing trouble right now, even for unicums like Flamu. Think it was yesterday he was surprised that torps werent spotted from the plane. Ofc, Unicums will adapt to this rather sooner than later, but average/casual players might not realize it ever (?), or they simply wouldnt understand the reasoning behind it. - Fighter plane consumable cant spot ever i suppose? Ok, this is maybe questionable as it is, maybe they shouldnt spot. They are like deployable radar currently. I just think, all options are either bad or counter-intuitive. But how to balance it otherwise? Cant tell... I think we need MUCH lower air detection for all ships, and make planes either slower or have a delay when the game starts. But the latter is kinda stupid, because what is the CV supposed to do in the beginning then?

No. You can deal 99% damage to one plane and not shoot it down. Technically you could deal 5 damage to planes and kill 5 planes with it.

Where is the holy wows bible that says how i have to play? Developers CANT force their own gameplay on the players. The playerbase decides how the game is played. You see it how players are abusing the new CVs right now. WG didnt think how people could play CVs. Probably they played CVs like numbnuts, and then it worked... somehow maybe. And FYI, one can just stop playing wows - noone is "forcing" me to play it if i dont like it. Makes me sad, yes, because i like the game in itself *edited* How would that be even possible Thats called unreasonable whining. With that sentence, you basicly say "CVs are currently fine, and there is nothing wrong with it". Did you read the forums the last days? 99% of the threads is about CVs, either them being crap, or them being totaly OP/Broken af. https://youtu.be/PNQVwOpVScw?t=159 Old CV spotted first ships 1:40 into the game. And he is not close to attacking anything. New CVs https://youtu.be/xBV14I9Yhw0?t=112 spotted 11!!!! ships 1:40 into the game (way earlier than that), and has already attacked couple of times. Take Torpbomber and he would have his 2nd wave attacking right now.

For the people who are edited on their stats, its probably everything else but boring. And then you have the occasional guy who is abusing it so they nerf it.

I think its automatically checked when you mount the camo. Same with Economic signals like PapaPapa which can be bought with doubloons -> mount it, and the box is checked.

I feel its crap actually? Having a stronger sector sounds good ofc, aslong as the CV is only attacking from one side. But that doesnt usually happen, unless they abuse Torp drops/F button? I havent played randoms yet (dont feel like a guinea pig), but i wouldnt take MAA right now.

At the same time, it took 2! days to break the world wide maximum damage, SEVERAL TIMES IN A ROW basicly. Ive seen 470k+ games, with the highest being 550k (!) And it could have been easily 600k with more practice. Its not only about damage dealing with CVs. Thats something i agree with however. This abomination called CVs can never be balanced (atleast i cant see how...).

LOL your team had 2 Midways and the enemies had 2 Hakus probably abusing the crap out of the torps.

Just facepalming... WHY? would be too easy to just say "70 DPS is 70 DPS" not "100 DPS actually means 70 DPS"... Even more facepalm

Yep, nothing changes in regards on how you spot other ships. Its only how far you can see If you have a tankbuild FP/BoS + Fire-duration flag and probably damage control system mod 1 + 2 (because you are a BB) you can laugh about fires. And when flooding gets changed, you can probably ignore floodings aswell. Problems are ofc BBs which have thin plating all around, like Amagi (32mm) so HE alpha DOES hurt. But for Izumo/Musashi/Yamato which have 50mm+ deck armor, it certainly helps more. They are only (some exceptions) vulnerable at Bow/Aft/Upper belt and superstructure to HE spam.

You cant hide your stats from WG tho...

You can get refund in full doubloon value through the inventory. Which wont help since you said you dont want to play anymore. There is no refund in real money.

I find that hard to believe *hint* you might want to compare stats first before you think you are out-scoring anyone

Its utter crap, dont use it! Most people simply dont understand what it actually does, as it is misleading imo: +50% to range of assured acquisition of enemy ships. -> assured acquisition is 2km f.e. if the target sits in smoke or behind an island. With this module, its 3km +20% to spotting range. -> Thats how far you can see. You can see further than you can shoot -> not needed, especially not as a BB which can see like 30km or so. +20% to the acquisition range of torpedoes. -> self explanatory. If you are not planning for a secondary build BB (which i wouldnt do right now anyway), then go for tank-build CE - FP - BoS. I dont really see much help in going AFT/BFT, as good CV players are currently abusing the system and if not, they can still dodge the stronger AA bursts.

I think manual AA is crap tbh. Certainly not worth 4 Points. You get stronger on one side, while the other is weaker. But CVs usually strike from both sides, since they fly over you after the initial drop. Then they face the weaker side, which is pretty stupid. Quite frankly, only because CE has been nerfed a little for Cruisers, doesnt mean you shouldnt take it anymore (and the nerf is still crap). Even more so talking about DM.

We usually keep our eyes open for forumites we encounter in random battles... and we have never seen you, sorry mate, try again