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Losing turrets/Torp tubes? Not to mention AA mounts as CV protection. Its improbable, but not impossible to happen. DDs "often" lose their tubes throughout the game. Ive lost my Front-turret with Hindenburg in the first 3 mins engaging a Buffalo (or some US CA it was). One of our clanmembers lost his front-turret in a DM from first salvo in a Clanbattle this season!

You spent 45k doubloons to get FreeXP? Why on earth would you do that

BBs arent supposed to win against DDs, its supposed to be their counter. And in that case, most likely the BB is to blame by letting his other ships die first. Ye... Cruisers outrunning whom actually? BBs? Some can and some actually hardly can. And except for speed boosting frenchies, you wont outrun a DD. Also i cant see, how running away is winning the game with a Cruiser

And any of your points has one outside factor incommon: They need a spot for that. So they rely on their team to help them. CVs dont need help from anybody to strike a target. And lets not forget, longrange BB fire can be dodged or it simply can miss because RNG. CVs were the best damage dealers before the rework, and for one speciffic CV it got worse after the rework. So even stats are disagreeing with you

Having an impact on the game of roughly 0?... I think its funny, how CVs are supposed to be the class which is entitled to strike any target at will.

If speccing for AA is not viable, then there is clearly something wrong with the balance. I agree however, if you dropped all bombs, planes shouldnt be vulnerable to AA any longer. But abusing the F-key definetely needed to be stopped, and it seems it worked. People not speccing for AA was creating problems with RTS CVs, suddenly people do spec for AA and its wrong aswell !?

Yep, clearly Cruiser and DDs are the invincible type How can you suck that hard in them, if they are pretty much the most OP classes in the game...Infact, your own stats show, that CVs are/were what you claim to be true for DDs and Cruiser...

Well, i think this can hardly be solved then: Potatofriendly / easy-mode combined with low influence, because otherwise skilled player will stop on the rest of the team even harder. But if it has not much influence, why play it? Atleast the skilled players would avoid it, since they want the means to carry a game. Because of sh*tty playerbase, balancing seems to be impossible

So 3,5 years of wows we never had anyone (even the best from the best) ever deal more than 500k damage. Within a couple of days of a rework, we get several 500k+ games. At the same time, we have players whining how bad CVs became or how strong AA is. Thats the definition of broken / imbalanced

They didnt do it with RTS CVs, why would they do it now? It has been an issue - always. Whether it was fighting with T6 CV vs T8 ships, or raping T5 ships in your Saipan... It was unfun for both sides.

Or just stop playing (that would probably the sensible option) like i did. On the other hand, i can understand what you are saying: I dont understand why people keep whining and bitching, but at the same time they keep playing the game. Yes, im sad aswell, because i like the game in general, but the stuff WG has been pulling off lately is just horrible, and i wont accept that. But i accepted it the other way, by not playing anymore. And my decision is not solely based on the CV rework, its basicly every decision they made with the release of 0.8.0 + some things before and the stuff they are planning to change in the near future. Returning upon CV balancing was an option for me, but now? Im actually not sure anymore... Maybe, maybe not, depends on how it will turn out in a couple of months

Ive been argueing like this for a year (really) in the Radar thread... Every "DD main" is telling me, im wrong, and radar is only/mostly targeting bad DD players. Every attempt at showcasing how bad DD players kill themselves is put away with "anecdotes dont count". Somehow they think, bad DD players would magically get better and not die to unicum DDs? Not sure why that would happen tho...

Maybe he was lowtier all the time an accepted his faith

How does one get through Cleveland and not realize that? Or was it acceptable that a T8 ship cant pen same/higher tier BBs?

IN this case, the threadstarter is obviously unfamiliar in how CVs work these days. He complains, planes are vanishing at 3km - which makes perfect sense when the CV just pushed F-button to recall the strike. And no, he is not obliged to learn abusing mechanics from the CV rework. The amount of CV complain threads within the last week is HUGE, no sane person can be asked to read through all of that.

Why not just make perma camos sellable? Lets say even a couple of hundred doubloons for midtier camos seems better than to keep something which you cant use. I got several premium ship camos for ships i dont even own (latest is Anshan from those lunar containers)

Orion was nerfed already And yes, pre-nerf Orion was OP af... But after the nerf it felt unfun to play. You guys should have tweaked the HE alpha instead of making the guns suck

LOL, i thought his post was just empty

Well, its in the game now... back before, when it was in the modpack only, i was very vocal about it to remove such a feature from the modpack, because i consider it to be a cheat, since it does give advantages, and not everyone was having access to it. Now thats in the game, ofc you must use it. But im still against it, and i think its not good for the game, as skilled players can abuse it, while others cant. FYI, this can be done without the marker aswell

Actually, WG made that possible by making the O-marker on the minimap. Killing stuff is luck, but damaging them is not. I did cause much more damage by blindfiring in that cyclone, simply because it can be done without retaliation. NOT shooting is actually not an option, why shouldnt i atleast try? I wouldnt call it lame, i call that skill. Most players simply dont do it, and i dunno why. There is nothing to fear in cyclone. If you are not spotted = you wont be spotted after shooting either. As i stated in the same post: - It makes skilled players even better, because they can read the minimap and plan ahead. - Sitting behind an island with spotter plane can enable you to shoot from stealth at targets spotted on the minimap. And somehow i think, CVs should spot. If they dont even spot anymore, what good is it for that they are in the game? They are playing totaly on their own then, doing nothing teamplay wise. As you said yourself, the fighter consumable is more of a joke then useful. Im not really "disagreeing" with your idea - i had the same one actually. But i just didnt think its right, even tho it might be better than currently. The best ways to decrease the spotting mostly ends up with making CVs less fun to play (slower planes or not being able to launch your planes right away at the start of the game). Or ofc lowering plane spotting detection ranges on all ships.

Yes, it sounds good, and it certainly seems better than currently, but good players, who are constantly having an eye on their minimap will have a HUGE advantage over the enemy player. I can still "see" the enemies, and plan my moves accordingly, because i know what im up against. Also, not being able to lock onto something doesnt make it invulnerable Those were consecutive blindshot-kills

Then we are obviously talking about different stuff here. But since you were initially talking about "CVs being removed" and compared it to someone making the same claims about DDs, so that they get removed, ofc i have to compare it to how CVs are currently in the game. As i said, RTS CVs had their issues. But the issues could have been resolved easier than now with the rework i believe. Why didnt RTS planes have health like planes now? That would have helped already. To some degree yes. Its not as bad as CVs were tho. And having radar ships in the game, did help against good DDs aswell. If i played a radar cruiser (or my division mates) then we could still work against the enemy DDs. Ideally we ofc brought our own DD aswell into battle. Not sure what make you come to that conclusion, but its not true. The issue i had with RTS CVs were the high skill difference, because WG did nothing to help the newbies. Infact, they made it worse by removing Alt-attack from lowtier CVs. Also, personally i dont have issues with DDs either. It happens quite rarely that a DD catches me off guard

The point is, its out of my hands to do anything with the planes comming at me. It actually became worse than with RTS CVs. DefAA active? Press F. Too much AA after initial Drop? Press F. Heck, you can even drop OUTSIDE of the AA range. My ship has bad AA in general? Tough luck, if the CV is able to dodge it. RTS CVs couldnt dodge anything. It was only about RNG (which was bad aswell). Good CVs could bait DefAA from idiots, and that was ok, because it was a L2P issue. But now you only have to press magic button and risk nothing. My DefAA is on CD much longer than the CV needs to attack me again. If you cant see the difference, then i dont need to say more, as i cant make it more clear. No they dont. Yes, CV vs CV was a game of its own, and it created much issues because of the skill difference. Put 2 same skilled CVs against each other and you hardly realized they existed (even more so when they were good CVs). But 2/4/6?! Unicum CVs in one game, everyone will feel it except the CVs. But DD vs DD doesnt happen by itself. Other ships CAN interact, by shooting the DDs. Its nice that i can see the planes 8km next to me striking my teammate, doesnt change the fact i cant do much about it. One of us would have to move, and that is not necessarily possible, because a BB might be waiting for me to move No they wont, and its still a different issue. There is plenty of stuff to avoid getting torped by a DD. - PT can tell you if the DD is switching between guns <-> Torps - Vigilance for better torp spotting - Rudder mod for faster rudder shift to dodge torps - WASD to throw of the torp aim - Hydro - Map awareness where the DDs are - ... probably more So compared to AA: - I dont aim with my AA guns, its automatic - Range is set, i cant get more AA range - DPS is based on % shown in port - Number of Flak bursts also influenced by % - CV can dodge flak, but not DPS. DPS is often too low to kill planes fast enough (if not, press F) - DefAA can be avoided by pressing F Like the part about DefAA. It would be like, halfway through when the torps are in the water, the DD gets info "ship x has hydro active", let me just collect my torps back in, and throw them again at a more convenient time. Ofc the enemy ship cant hide in the meantime, because he cant hide from planes either.

Radar? DDs have been whining so much about it, it certainly did something. Ofc new CVs are much worse than Radar. (so were old CVs, but they werent played as much to be a problem in general) And all other classes somehow interact - CVs simply dont. RTS CVs were a game inside the game, new CVs even made it worse tho. They affect all other classes tremendously (spotting being the worst), and while the others are focusing on each other, they cant do anything about the planes really, since its in the hands of the CV player to fly into the flak bursts to die.

1. The other CV could have a word with you. Now, nothing can stop you. Even potatoes can spot half the map, which they couldnt before basicly. (or they choose not to, because they potatoed at the border ~) 2. But the Squad was empty... New CVs can come back with a full squad 30 secs later and harass the DD again. Also old CVs might have died to AA from the DD at some point. And most players were to stupid to spot DDs for their team. Again, potatoes now will just automatically do it. 3. That is not bound to new CVs... they could have changed it on RTC CVs aswell, but they didnt. 4. New CVs can use RPF, even worse ?