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No CV game We had ~320k damage with our division

I dont think its the same: - You can buy yourself a T8-9 even 10 premium right now, depending how much money you throw at them. Is Tirpitz OP? Or Georgia? Or even Salem (you cant buy steel ships really)? No... they are not OP just because you own them. You will fail the same way if you would give them a T10 silver ship for money. So far so "good". If you let them buy a T10 silver ship - fine, doesnt matter. We see people with 300 battles in T8+ games anyway. - But now you add the NTC into it: Buy that package over and over make it faster. Or buy even more FreeXP (i guess you can use FreeXP?) This time, you will not only get a TX ship like everyone else. It will be a straight up BUFFED TX ship. If this isnt p2w i dont know what is. I think @Blixies is more concerned about the 2nd part than the first (me personaly idc about letting those noobs buy their way to T7+ they are already there). You agree, that they are quite greedy, so they might aswell make this possible to buy yourself a buffed TX ships to get a clear advantage over players who either dont want to spend money, or dont have the time to grind from 1-10 several times.

I like Omaha + Premium version Cruisers of it Same problem however: Not that much fun lately I think, the more consistently you can have nice games (wins + damage/kills), the more fun a ship is for me. Thats why i dont really like BBs too much... too much RNG for my taste. Alltho some are better, some are worse. Musashi is nice f.e. Baltimore was quite fun lately, almost every game is ~+80k damage which is not bad.

Thats subjective ofc, everyone has their own favorites. Thats why we have mains for each class. Overall i prefer Cruisers, but lately a lot of people have been saying, why play Cruisers at all? And i can understand that to a certain degree, it feels its getting worse and worse. Well, now with AA change atleast against CVs it got a bit better. But playing against Russian BB(ias) is extremely unfun - that everyone is playing them atm doesnt make it any better + i can see people continueing to play them because they are pretty tanky and can perform close-midrange better than other BBs. Playing BB feels much easier and less frustrating, you get your results almost every game, (roflstomp)win or loss:

I guess in combination with the NTC you could call it P2W. Otherwise... not really i guess: Potatoes on hightiers, nothing new there

I hate grinding. Can easily be seen by the ships i played, and the abysmal amount of TX ships i own I play the ships which are fun to play. Sadly, with all the stuff WG are changing, ships which were previously fun to play arent necessarily fun to play currently. Also powercreeps doesnt help in that matter. IDC which tier the ship has, but once again, WG is not helping by forcing me to play other stuff in order to keep up with their rediculous grinding missions. - I like to play OPs - currently we have only 4 of them, which gets boring fast. Dynamo was removed with 0.8.0 which i enjoyed a lot. It helped me with grinding FreeXP which i could use to unlock ships/modules. Hopping randomly into OPs is extremely unfun aswell, because the players in there are below bot level So id play more OPs, if there would be more competent players in there and the variety would be bigger. - Hightier gameplay is on abysmal levels now. - Thx to current Meta (aka thx WG), even playing some midtier ships is as unfun as it can be. Oh i face a RU BB while playing Marblehead/Murmanks. I cant do anything against it. Fiji facing a RU BB? buahaha thats a good one. So playing Cruisers right now is mostly unfun. And i like Cruisers the most. 1 by 1, WG is killing the game for me, because they want to force people what to play. And now they make it out to be, that we want to play more midtiers How about dont ruin the game, then we can have fun again

@MrConway @Crysantos Can we get confirmation on Dubloons or Credits?

You can guess what the devstrike was Oh yeah, [edited]hardcarry rankedsprint when your teammates are lobotomized... They all went behind one island at nowhere... just dieing

One might say, that is due to the mentality of new CVs: They are completely seperated from the other classes. They basicly play 1v1s most of the time. So they have a lone ship, kill it ofc because thats what they should do. But you cant play 1v1s all game long and expect to win everyone of them. Try doing that in a surface ship So you took the squishiest planes and attacked one of the strongest AA ships in the game While being -2 tier ofc... You can try sailing full broadside in a Mogami against a TX BB, see how that goes. Only difference is, game ends for you right there.

Well, for RN CLs i think the difference is, that they can disengage other targets, while they cant disengage CVs. Ive had a "nice" moment in Fiji vs Implacable So not being able to damage another ship is not necessarily fatal, while not being able to damage the CV hull will get you killed sooner or later. Especially when the CV can throw nonstop planes at you (could be different after the latest change tho). RN CLs can kill DDs quite easily, but they struggle with a DD thats angled. So an angled DD is a problem, as you also cant disengage from it (it will keep spotting you) Cruiser AP: I dont think that will work. The shell arcs wont allow plunging fire (maybe CLs), but then they will struggle having the necessary penetration. Longrange AP from a Hindenburg or similiar is probably worse than shooting HE. I wouldnt mind if Midway could shatter HE shells, but they shouldnt be immune to Fire

Midway is probably one of the tankiest ships in the game right now. - An angled CV is almost immune to RN CLs. - All CVs are immune to fires pretty much - TX CVs are immune to longrange Cruiser HE (armored Deck), which in combination with the point above is quite rediculous. And they are as fast as Cruisers too Broadside CVs are vulnerable to BB AP, or if they are not TX BB AP will overmatch them more easily too. Also from longer ranges. DDs can hurt them with torps. CVs have a hard time fighting each other too.

If i dont gain anything from it, then for me personally sounds not that interesting tbh. I play ships because i like to play them. Not sure if thats derailing the topic, but here some thoughts: At this point, there should be more of an incentive for me to play certain ships/tiers or even grind more ships... Even premiums are just sitting in port looking good pretty much. Got Stalingrad with the Coupon, and played it a couple of times, but in the end, i dont see any reason to keep playing it. (even if you think about like last XMas snowflake event: The more hightier ships i have, the more steel/(Coal) i get, which i can use to get ships which i most likely will not play that much) Back when Missouri was the only reward T9 premium, it was great. I played it a lot. Now, ive almost as much Premium T9/10 ships as regular ones. I could grind a dozen T8 ships for whatever reason that is. On T9 they are mostly turds, which are inferior to the ships i already own. Why play Izumo, i have Musashi which is just plain better. Been playing Iowa because id like to get Montana, but its still not a Musashi Grinding silver ships is one thing, but also playing and grinding all these Freemiums starts to get questionable. I could get Georgia or Yoshino soon... could get Azuma (but have been spending FreeXP on other stuff), but why should i? They would just sit there, and they dont give me any reason why i should play them. Ontop of that, hightiers are less fun overall.... So basicly, i like the idea, but not the specific proposal you made

Really? That would be great... Should have went down that road much earlier, and it would have caused much less issues balancing this

Fiji almost 550 games One of the best ships in the game

Met @ApolloF117 in his Georgia today on the enemy team. We had some internal flaming going on, one of our divisions flamed us for being noobs

One of our divisions flamed us, that we are noobs and we cant play Wont say which one, someone might whine about naming

Yup, because Cruisers having Radar will prevent BBabies from doing stupid stuff Its a balancing factor for having dumb DDs, more so since Kamikazes will never get nerfed.

yeah 4 km detection will clearly spot a DD... oh wait, no DD has <4km detection range You would already spot it by then normaly, no need for Hydro. Hydro is a very strong tool, but not if its a smart DD with 5,4km concealment and 7km torps... and fast reload torps hitting you like a truck. 7~7,5km radar with short duration could be of some help. You cant outradar your concealment, but the DD has to take a risk of being radared when it wants to torp you.

Light Radar for Cruisers? Im in favor of that anyway, so people wouldnt get thrown against the strong TX radars once they hit T8... Would also not be bad against those Kamikazes

My persoinal tinfoilhat theory is, working as intended, because if you see potatoes aim at ships, they like to aim upper belt or so... while shooting a stationary ship aiming at the waterline, your shells will fall short. Aim higher and you hit. Potato bonus #21532? - who knows

guess that was meant for me, after i killed both the Kremlin and FDG, which were in a division together. I made a drive-by on the Kremlin Battleship Stalingrad reporting for duty

So we need 800 fuel tokens out of 850 free ones, so you basicly need to grab all which are available. 300 are locked behind grinding credits in Savage battle. And you need to grind ~17 million credits for those. Ive been playing couple of games, you get ~60-70k with zulu flag win or loss. So thats like ~55k without any modfier, or ~100k with Zulu flag and Premium acc. So that makes it roughly 170-310 battles you need to play to get the 17 million credits needed. If you wanna take Wyvern flag, you need less ofc Which would be a total waste really. On a positive note, you can complete daily missions in Savage mode too, from which you need 48 (out of 50) aswell to get fuel tokens. Just as a heads up for people who wanna grind the Benham for free. edit: Turns out, the better DDs also earn more Credits. With the Stealthedo i get 250-300k with prem + Zulu flag. which isnt that hard anymore. Daily missions is really worse as you can only let 1 day pass without playing.

Just play Savage battles in 3x division (should be decent / good players ofc). You should win 75-80% or even more, today won 6 out of 7 f.e. Thats all daily missions done in roughly 1h. - You will get the Credit missions done easily (im 1 Mission stage 5 almost done) - You will do the Directives. - And you get all daily missions done. Pretty simple afterall, but you either need 2 guys whom you can play with all the time, or you need to have enough people as backup to switch them out. But if you spread it, you might get your clan onboard with it ofc.

Guess they cant afford playing them. Without premium / Zulu Flag you lose credits overall.

First i thought i wont do it. Already missed 2 Daily missions because of it. Then i found a method with roughly 1h of playing savage battles per day i can get all the daily missions and the credits grind + directives in the same go, so i think its actually manageable. Can invest 1h per day