DFens_666

How to save your star in Ranked, by being an absolute moron Was a New Mexico, who just went down the J-line, and then up the 1-line. The Nürnberg presented full flat broadside to him, and he could shoot a bit earlier, because, you know, he was not playing for any objectives unlike us other players. Then he continued his path, not sure if he was shooting at anything, but i didnt see it, and the Leander got caught inside the Cap also being full broadside to him ofc. After some time doing nothing, he came around the island for getting a 1k HP kill on the bowtanking Izmail i had to grind down (btw, didnt know Kuznetsov works in sprint - apparently it does...). Yup, thats enough to save a star, without playing for the objectives or helping your team. Getting rid of important targets? Nope, ima NOT SHOOT BECAUSE STUPID. Getting rid of useless Cruisers which just suicide is enough. Great game WG... well done.

Thats where your luck went. Or do you think that WR is deserved with those numbers? Ofc, having >60% WR is skill, 20% with 15 battles is RIGGED, CHEATS, NOOB TEAMMATES *insert more here* but cant be bad play or bad luck (combination of both is the answer actually) If you wanna win more often based on your own skill level, i suggest going back to lowtiers, where you can carry your own weight

well, tbh, the Massa made it kinda easy for you by straightlining full broadside as it seems. They could bowtank you the same way, but i guess if the enemies arent smarter than a slice of bread, then it can work

Forgot that one in my last post: You cant really go and see it as only Black and White. Id say the equivalent of a Border humping Bismarck with Spotter plane, is a NC that rushes straight into a cap and gets devstriked by an enemy DD - both are useless. However, the way average BB players act, option number one is more common. Playing the Bismarck to the absolute worst of its abilities is more probable than any of the others, simply because its worst at shooting long range (while actually having that range compared to even Amagi or Vladi). Or otherwise, its less bad to play a Bismarck too aggressively compared to an Amagi f.e. because it has the tools to survive longer (tankiness / Hydro).

1. You should stop taking things too literally. Bismarck shoots every 26 seconds, wiggle in and out between shots if necessary. Or just kite away at an angle so secondaries can fire aswell. Noone said anything about being 0 degrees angled aft towards enemy. And you cant just compare Vladi and Amagi with Bismarck. First of all, not every ship is the same. Amagi lacks tanking power so it needs better guns. Vladi can tank, but gets devastated even easier when showing broadside. 2nd every situation is different. But we basicly talked about a Cruiser pushing Bismarck to torp it. If you feel you cant handle the Cruiser in time, or you are afraid your guns derp, then turn away. Why take a risk? Even the current playerbase should be able to handle a suicidal Cruiser... If you have no backup, turning away makes even more sense. You cant just play every ship the same way. Its like going with a Russian Cruiser behind an island where you cant shoot over because of your gun arcs are so flat because you know US Cruisers can do it. There is enough variety in this game for everyone. If you dont like Bismarck, you shouldnt feel the need to play it. If you are desperate that you need Bismarck to be good... then its tough luck really. 2. How can one be mad at that remark? Btw you insulted me more than my line - not that it was even intended. (telling others to shut up is not your job btw, thats for mods to decide) 2.+3. Here is the deal: I believe you are focusing on Bismarck because you want it to be good. I dont know about your playstyle, if you have secondaries or not (thats why i was throwing the joke out, yes it was a joke ). There is not one best way to play a ship. You can play Bismarck using secondaries - or not. Its up to you. But either way you go, you have to play it to that strength then. Going for a tank build Bismarck will probably end up in a tough nut to crack for the enemy team IF player properly. But your guns will still not be the same than the other BBs on T8. Amagi has much worse armor compared to that, thats balancing. Thats really not how i see German Cruisers (or even BBs). There is a reason, why Hindenburg is considered to be a Jack of all trades. Its not best at anything, but decent at everything. As for BBs, you dont win every game by putting out huge damage numbers. Sometimes you can win by tanking or making a push. And german BBs are good for that, even if the guns like to derp. Yes, you need your team to cash in on it, but i dont see that as a downside. If you take a NC/Amagi into the same situation and just die then where was the use in that? Sometimes you have to push to turn a game. If your team is so bad that they cant make use of your play -> then you gotta take the loss.

You just need to re-research the line again so you get double research points when you play them first time. Flamu showed it, he resetted the IJN gunboat line 4 or 5 times in a row without buying them (only researching) and he then got 5x bonus for playing them once. Technically you didnt lose anything so far except the FreeXP.

Just gonna throw out that his Solo WR in Z is actually better than his overall/division WR

If its stupid but works, its still stupid How often did that guy die because of the concealment disadvantage? The problem is, you see those guys with TAM all the time... and then once in a blue moon they screw someone over because they managed to sit behind an island. Doesnt change the simple fact, that you get more advantages from the better concealment.

1. Most of the time you should be able to turn out before they get into torprange. They cant really catch up to, because they are not that much faster. If you go too close to a Cruiser so he can just torp you, you do him a favor, why should you? Ofc its nasty when a BB turn out and runs away, but its the best way to survive and kill the Cruiser trying to rush you. If the Cruiser overextended, he cant go dark anymore and you can farm him with Secondaries and Mainguns. 2. Not sure if you play with secondaries, but i hope not the way you write about them 3. Then again, we also get Bismarcks shooting with spotter plane from the mapborder, which most likely doesnt hit anything anymore. And since Bismarck is the most popular T8 BB, you can expect the worst players to play that ship aswell. They are all included in the average stats. You would need to analize personal player stats and how they play each ship in order to get an accurate reading. Vladis MBHR is still dropping as more and more "bad" player get that ship. Used to be 33,5% earlier, now its down to 32,9%. But ofc a russian BB closerange has such a disgusting accuracy, you basicly hit all shells, even on a DD.

1. well, maybe you now know how to counter other Cruisers better when playing Bismarck 2. Oh believe me, i know. But i think, on T8 secondaries can be more useful than on T9/10. I basicly moved my Bismarck captain up the line onto FDG (which i absolutely hated and had to FreeXP) and then to GK. It just didnt work well with secondaries. Then i tried a half secondary/tank build, which was a bit better. But went full tankbuild after that, and thats where the money was (for me atleast). Back when i played Bismarck, secondaries felt somewhat useful. Maybe its ok again now with better MM. Atleast ive been less often in TX games with my T8 ships, and when toptier, those secondaries on Bis/Massa can be very strong. 3. Well, even looking at overall player stats, Bismarck has a decent Hitrate compared to other Silver BBs (Vladi is easy 1st, then Richelieu and Monarch just slightly infront of Bismarck). I cant compare my hitrate on Vladi, as ive only played it in CBs, and probably finish the grind there aswell. Also i think, for Hitrate those games are enough, maybe Massa being exception with only 8 games. Neither of the others should change significantly if id play them more. But even if i look at my other tiers , german BBs tend to have a fairly decent hitrate. I think Gneisenau is my most accurate BB. (PEF would beat it tho, as i can get 40-ish).

Ive been trying to tell you in my last 2 posts that its actually not the case. Hipper, Prinz Eugen, Balti, Buffalo, Roon, Hindenburg, DM, Salem, Alaska are the only Cruisers with 27mm bow. All others have 25mm Bow/aft. Ofc fighting TX Cruisers presents other problems, as they have 30mm midsection. But then again, Monty and GK struggle with that aswell. And you have some weird values on IJN Cruisers (Atago/Takao and Ibuki with 30/41mm armor). Apart from that, the T9 Cruisers only have 25mm. It is if you use "getting torprushed" as a downside Still only 4 ships exist which can do it. Others can bowtank you, sure. No arguement there, but there would be no point in rushing towards a Bismarck except getting spanked by Secondaries. Just ignore the WR, its skewed by a lot of different factors (when i played them (different Meta / me having less experience), division and low battlecount). But Avg damage is not that far apart. Im not saying i liked playing Bismarck back then, but it felt worse than it actually is apparently. MBHR ofc The best comparision are Bismarck and Massa, as both of them were played secondary focused so without dispersion module. And i gotta say, without it, Massa dispersion trolls you as bad as Bismarck dispersion.

I quoted you because i felt you were the one spreading (well i wont say false but) "misleading" information. So we go by T8 Cruisers only? Better for my arguement 27mm armored Cruisers on T8 are: Hipper, Prinz Eugen and Baltimore. 1 doesnt even have torps, the other 2 got 6km torps. Id say, if you get rushed by one of those you kinda deserve to die to torps. You probably would have a decent chance to destroy their torpedotubes with HE. 27mm all around, 25mm, 25mm, 25mm Chapa / 26mm Kutu, Dunno, 16-19mm. Neither of those can bowtank a Bismarck, as i said, only German and US CA can. Even the T10 Cruiser have 25mm bow, so not even those can bowtank a Bismarck. Doesnt really matter if they have 300mm guns or not - they could bowtank a Bismarck aswell. And they dont have torps, that was my point. So you cant really get torprushed by a bowtanking Cruiser, as there are a total of 4 ships which can do it - and they are all German. Alaska/Stalin bow

Just want to throw in, i personaly would take Preventive Maintenance as first skill. If you are detected in a DD, you should always assume that something will shoot you. Whether its 1 or more guys looking at you shouldnt matter too much, as it should be number 1 priority to get undetected again (well, unless you are a gunboat DD like french or russian). Even with LS its still preferable not to lose Engine/Rudder (and torps/guns anyway) at all.

uuh, Monarch (yeah HE troll but still), Roma, all French hightier BBs except Repu... So german Cruisers? US CAs dont have torps (and neither do Moskva/Stalin/Alaska). And all others have 25mm bow armor (or less even).

Aslong as i can get decent games, why not? If you look at it, its quite simple: If we do well, we feel we should get rewarded with a win. If you play alone and manage to stay alive, do a lot of work, naturally you feel betrayed in the end. Rarely get this if you play in a 3x division. Usually the absolute rolfstomps on the enemy team are the most boring games, as you cant get damage/XP/Credits. Recently had a game with Mogami and i got 9k damage because a few enemies yoloed in, we got all 3 caps and the rest ran away out of my reach. Pretty boring. I could play solo, get less WR but probably boost my PR/damage because i could farm more in those uncertain games, which would then turn into losses. I rather take a win tho Playing in a division, you atleast feel like you are playing a teamgame (CV spotting for you, DD screening/torping, Cruiser radaring/fighting DDs, BBs being area denial)

Thats why i stopped playing Solo. One game with Hindenburg pretty much was enough. We had 2 caps, and 970 points with 9 or 10 ships vs 7. Then the dieing kicked it. They died within ~45 secs interval, rushing the campers 1 by 1. Every time we got back to almost 1k points, the next one died. I begged them to stop going in.... nothing. In the end, even our CV rushed in to die That was my solo career in wows pretty much ended right there. Think i played max 10 solo randoms after that. Used to play 2 man division quite a lot, but at some point even that wasnt enough anymore. Basicly remember the game when the game did everything to ruin that one for me. Was even sealclubbing with Old Hosho+Orion. I spotted DDs + torps for our ships... you think they shot the DDs even once? You think, they dodged the spotted torps? Nope, They TOOK THEM ALL just to DIE. Despite all odds, we managed to kill everything but 1 DD. And even that felt like being betrayed every single step of the way, i tried to torp a BB not moving, when i was dropping, he shot down a plane, ofc it was one which would have hit him (one of the center 2 torps, lowtier BBs being kinda small, the 1. and last torp miss anyway). And the last DD had just the best luck in the world. He beached, you think our BB was allowed to hit him? Nope, shells going everywhere but where the DD was standing. After those experiences, i only play 3x Division to keep me somewhat sane. Do i play less than i would? Yes, but atleast its more enjoyable that way. With the playerbase being what it is, can win >80% since rework.

Speshuul teams incomming (atleast on the enemy side ) I think we played XP pinata magnet as T8 ships, because they just kept steaming ahead on our side... but kinda lame because i didnt have fire luck Secondary kill on Massa be like Gearing + Mino + Salem division try to get MY CAP? GTFO Extra special team we had aswell (HIV+ shima flanking on 1-line)... enemy team was more speshuul tho, with extra hint of potato flavour Ofc got reported for that one, teh salty enemies?

Pretty much every ship has the same "flaw". Its just different for Germans, as they are almost immune to broadside citadels. So in order to get a citadel on a german BB, the "easiest" way is through the bow / Aft.

If you can pass the bow without bouncing on it, you can citadel german BBs from there. But i wouldnt say its easy to do, however, even Cruisers can do that. Even the ones with shitty pen like germans Managed to do it with Hindenburg against Tirpitz at close range. So the enemy BB player was stupid Thats why he said "similar skill". Ive beaten a Conqueror (old one without citadel) in my Bismarck 1v1 and also a GK basicly 1v1 in my Bismarck aswell. They have to let you do it to them however, a Montana can bounce Amagi shells all day long if he is angled.

Full HP Nürnberg - Noice Its so nice when they turn exactly how you hoped they would Otherwise, teams are already abysmal in ranked sprint aswell.... one game was CV + 2 BB + 4 DD... CV + 3 DDs basicly useless and didnt do anything. Enemy DDs just steamrolled over us

DDs: Detonation flag (juliet Charlie) because DDs detonate the easiest out of all classes Sierra Mike because faster is always good Juliet Whiskey Unaone for some DDs which have lower flooding chance... but im never sure if its really worth it. Fire flags (India X-Ray/ Victor Lima) for gunboat DDs which rely on fires. Economic flags if you want to grind ofc Cruiser: India Delta if the Cruiser has a heal, otherwise not Fire flags (India X-Ray/ Victor Lima) unless you are a UK CL Sierra Mike because why not. Mostly useful for open water Cruisers like French/Russian/IJN/German November Foxtrott for Cruisers with Heal/Radar/Hydro November Echo Setteseven if you are in a division with CV, otherwise... eh

Imo the worst Cruisers to fight before the BCs got added were US CAs because of their improved pen angled. The others should be less of a problem because you can angle, and HE spam should be possible to tank because of the heal. Even with bad concealment, you can outspot most others. But maybe it just got worse over time with all the camping going on.

Could be, because all the BCs are on T9, so if you take Neptune, its more likely that enemies get Kron/Alaska/Azuma which can just lol-cit you from everywhere. Ontop of having more HP aswell.

You get them when hall of fame closes on 13th, since you could still drop out of the top 50%.