DFens_666

Had a fun match not too long ago. Just been thinking about it because of this thread: Basicly no other BB could do what i did with the GK (maybe Bourgogne with the speed, but it would have struggled extremely vs 2 Yamasushis) Push starting right now, desperation basicly as we are losing heavily Less than 4 minutes later, 4 kills / 110k more damage, 1,4 million more potential and the enemies are down 2 ships now, while leading with 2 before the push. And only lost half my health, while actually having the next heal coming up.

There is no reason to argue with you right? Not only do you disregard what im saying, no, you also use my own arguement against me in the next sentence to fit your own narrative If IJN BBs have better dispersion but hit less because of the way they are played, then it means its perfectly fine the way it is. Ofc you can try playing IJN BBs like a German BB, see how well that goes. Oh and btw, dont wonder if you actually hit less closerange with IJN BBs, since they have the worst dispersion at ranges below 10km... even worse than germans. To 4. Well, there is a difference in the way we argue. I say, something can happen. And sometimes it will happen. You cherry pick every arguement of yours to fit your narrative. Basicly all enemies play perfectly at all times, and you are only playing 1v1s in a 12v12 teamgame. Your arguements couldnt be further away from the truth. So you cant angle in and out between salvos of an enemy BB which take 30 secs? Well, cant help you then. Now you probably tell me, he can hold his shot till you show side, which would actually be the perfect option, as he would never shoot in the first place. So again, you pick a situation which heavily favors the Vladi? A lot of people whine about russian BBs, but they play on THEIR terms. They go into a bow-on vs bow-on battle and wonder why the russian BB wins... If you can rush the russian BB, then there is nothing he can do about it. Let him shoot your bow and he will bounce. Shoot at something else in between, because if he is reversing, you will catch him at some point. You know, Vladi actually has a Citadel compared to Bismarck. Or you gonna tell me, the Bismarck will also lose a drive-by on a Vladi? Wow, so you now also lose against a bowtanking Monarch, which your secondaries will shred to pieces?.... And fine by me, if you think Monarch HE is so awesome... wait, you dont have Monarch do you? All other BBs except Vladi also dont have much armor, so they are free farm for your secondaries... I wont reply anymore, as there is no use in argueing. Every point of your is made up to make it look like Bismarck (or every other german BB) is the utter shithole of the entire game. Idc, they arent the best, but they work. If they dont work for you, pick one of the other BB lines, we do have enough options by now, so everyone should find a line they enjoy to play with. You even ignore average server stats, and make some stuff up why it is like that....

QFT Been playing a bit more T4-7 lately to help people regrinding with research bureau... Not only does it feel like playing hightiers (one team seems to camp in spawn / run away to mapborder) noooo, you also get 2-3 CVs per side basicly every game. DDs hunting CVs? While it used to be a dumb tactic, it actually seems that you dont have an option anymore. The CV will just come for you ... again... and again... and again... so its either you or him. They wont let you do anything else. You cant cap, you cant torp, basicly cant play the game. 1 CV is no problem, especially if there are 3-4 DDs per game. But if there are 2 or even 3 CVs (so basicly as much CVs as DDs), its sure that atleast 1 will go to the caps which are getting lit up. But Cruisers suffer from this aswell, as their AA range sucks (AA sucks in general now) and they are spotted by planes all the time. The ones who dont care? Our glorious masterrace BBs. Spotted? Who cares, only other masterrace ships can touch you anyway. CV attacking you? Only a minor inconvenience, but also have 5,8km AA range, which actually might do something. They really are sucking the fun right out of the game. Imagine playing a board game with someone, and at some point he just keeps the dice for himself so you cant play anymore. Thats how playing with CVs feels like Playing T8 is actually more enjoybale now (who would have thought id actually say that) since 1 CV per game is manageable.

If you are talking about former Conq 457s being short-fuseAP then yes, Thunderer AP is more like Kremlins now.

Death to Death from above Tasty citadels Would have gotten the 2nd one too, but he realized to press "w" a few seconds before the torps hit

See, in their minds those arent random. Its their awesome skill ensureing the win Thats why they also cant have losing streaks - they are way too good for it

1. So if you have 7-8sec shell flight time or 14 is no difference? really??? Either way, believe it or not, that wasnt the point at all. The point was, if you can operate closer, you hit more since the enemy has less time to evade. Play range mod Wooster shoot 19km see if you hit any target thats actively dodging. 2. Used my own numbers (same for german BBs btw). But average hitrates arent worse for german BBs either. So wont really matter which values i take. 3. eh wut? Richelieu is still worst with 190k DPM Bismarck is equal to Vladi with 214k NC is a bit ahead with 235k Amagi and Monarch are first with 252/257k And ofc in your theory, all other BBs always use all guns. Amagi needs to show a lot of side to get the entire salvo of. And with heavy front gun BBs like NC/Vladi/Monarch, its not uncommon to only use front turrets too. And the difference again, bismarck wont get citadelled. Yes, takes pen damage. But the others eat citadels. Monarch, Vladi, Amagi, NC... So in a risky moment, Bismarck is still better off using all its turrets compared to the others. Do you have to show more broadside in Bismarck? Yes. Do you get punished for it? Less than the others... And for Monarch: It struggles citadelling BBs, if the Citadel is not directly on the outside, as the sAP will detonate the shell before it can reach the citadel. Good against Cruisers, not so good against BBs if you cant reach the Citadel. But more reliable damage throughout imo. 4. Its not only about DPM. Sometimes you can shoot just before a ship goes behind an island. Or you can shoot again if someone is turning. You can hardly measure this, but sometimes itwill happen... ive had several occasions where the slow russian BB reload screwed me over. DPM is irrelevant, if the difference is being able to shoot, or shooting an island instead.

Hmm, gotta remember what i used back then, i didnt go full secondaries either... http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/1100000000000010000001001000100119 I think it was something like this (AR didnt exist back then afaik, but probably still better than EM). You could skip SI if you feel that you dont need the extra heal, depends a bit on the playstyle. Alltho, just rushing in doesnt work anyway And i personaly still value CE to be closer but possible to go dark if necessary. Lately playing a few midtier BBs without CE... feels kinda shitty As for the module... really depends. Just try the secondary mod and see how it feels. Mostly useful against BBs/Cruisers, DDs you wont hit anyway at that range. Then again, Cruisers should be the target of your mainguns, thats why its a bit of a personal thing i believe. And 5th slot take Concealment for sure. TASM doesnt help really, you have Hydro afterall. In 2nd slot you might just go for DCSM1... not sure if Hydro is necessary.

This was much closer than it actually looks like... the 4 ships which survived but are behind me in XP actually did jack crap. Camping behind islands but then grab the easy kills. Minor exception it the pyotr... But would have been much easier if they actually joined the battle. And one devstrike with Hatsuharu, but as you can see, the team was glueeating so hard... not even 7 mins played, no caps and basicly everyone dead. Ofc CV kept humping me together with the Kamikaze. But obviously my team didnt need the 2 best ships in the enemy team to lose no-no, just die full broadside like good old idiots.

Must have been a long time ago? Currently, that doesnt work anymore, as you cant get f***ed like that. the MM cant even put a T7 ship on the enemy team to compensate*, because tiers are matched these days. Thats why, anchor divisioning actually works now, unless you meet another division doing the same. *maybe it can after a sufficient waiting time (3 mins or so)

Nah, they just need to rework the secondary builds. If you could have decent secondaries, while still being able to use some anti-DoT skills it would be good imo. Maybe even remove the secondary mod from 3rd slot somewhere else so you can have a little bit better dispersion. And BFT/AFT could just need a rework in general.They are crap AA skills anyway, maybe we need to split them up entirely (range/reload for main guns, range/reload for secondaries, AA skills (but they are all useless now anyway...) The problem in general i see: Gneisenau is good when toptier, but meh when lowtier (then again, which T7 BB isnt?) Bismarck is extremely strong when toptier, but probably one of the worst T8s when lowtier. FDG was a turd back then, not sure how it looks now. Also played it secondary build which was kinda horrible. Maybe tank build works. GK works good enough, too much of a buff might actually make it too strong.

If you put a T6+7 ship in a div, you can get T9 MM. But you need a division like that on each side so that MM can actually screw you over. Also if Graf Spee would be on T8, would Scharnhorst still be T7? Feels extremely weird imo. Scharnhorst could fit the role of a BC much better than Graf Spee.

The one sad difference is, IRL noone would play with someone like that anymore... in game, we have no choice

I dont agree with that, because its only in theory. In theory, Kronshtadt has a bad dispersion (BB like) compared to lets say a Seattle. If you would shoot a stationary target on longrange, Seattle would always hit more. However, Kronshtadt guns are really fast, thus hitting something which is moving is much easier than with Seattles orbital arcs. So even tho, Kronshtadt has bad dispersion, it makes up for it by having railguns (thus hitting more). A similar way can be seen here: Germans have worst dispersion pattern, no arguement there (its the same with french and UK BBs). The difference gets bigger, if you slot the Secondary mod in 3rd slot, as others gain -7% dispersion (well, US BBs dont have it) But, german ships also have the armor to go closer than the competition without just melting away. Be closer = hit more without risking as much as the others. Here a 8 gun BB with 2.0 Sigma Nagato which is actually really good according to proships.ru, as they base the rating on actual playernumbers (my 30% Bismarck hitrate is only blue, while Nagato is purple) Also you seem to forget, that other nations have actually worse reload. F.e. US T9/10 BBs wont get the reload, since they take dispersion in 6th slot. And some german BBs even have a better basereload to begin with. Bismarck f.e. has 2nd best reload on T8 with 26 sec, only beaten by Monarch with 25 sec. All others have 30 except Vladi which has 33 sec. Its not only about having worse dispersion, you have to consider a lot of things. Even when players use the secondary mod and dont use the reload mod - its their choice.

I guess many people tend to be biased because someone *cough* Flamu *cough* proclaims that certain ships are OP. Yet, other ships in which he performs on the same level arent OP because reasons? A lot of people are shouting russian bias, but imo they might aswell just shout French Bias... French ships seem to be extremely strong throughout, some are just OP in my book.

PEF Scharn Gneisenau Bismarck Bayern GK Nassau König Kaiser FDG None of those are really bad... well last one is FDG. But probably be better with a tank build than with Secondary.

Also, using DoY as firespammer is just ... urgh It has excellent AP (improved AP angles and sAP) so you can wreck Cruisers so bad. And to firechance: It always depends if you hit a part which is on fire already. So in order to see the real chance, you would need to check if you only hit parts which were not on fire.

Bought her aswell Havent played her yet tho... Been helping others regrind their CV lines on T4/6 which mixed fun results And did some T8 grinding myself.

Man what a crazy carry. Had to solo kill the rushing Hipper and Chapa while accompanied by 2 secondary specced Bismarck/Tirpitz I guess, the BBs thought the Cruisers would kill me so they broke off, then i could engage them and kill them While i did that, the other side of our team started TKing each other Gneisenau torped several teammates afaik...

Still too complicated for the average monkey i meant BB player

Couple of those games i had >40k plane damage... totaly insane/stupid or whatever...Imagine RTS CVs who could just keep striking all game long

Glorious masterrace is the answer, especially more glorious OP Orion! Is actually quite nimble, can even dodge torps But i guess the difference is just, BBs have almost 6km AA range while cruisers have like 3... balanz

If not enough people are playing CV? You could go to Coop with a division buddy in a CV (or just play CV yourself) shoot the planes down there. Should be much easier.

Balance ?

Basicly they changed the guns (better dispersion on Thunderer / no sAP) but in return it doesnt have the Zombie heal conqueror has. So Thunderer is a different ship than 457 Conq.