DFens_666

You make it sound, like it wasnt before

I think it is. Massa doesnt have the worst hitrate for me, but its only ahead of Amagi/Monarch. And both of them arent really suited to go closer, while Massa has to. Compared to Bismarck, my Massa has 2% worse hitrate. But overall, back when i played bismarck the dispersion really drove me nuts. Massa feels the same way

Totaly agree with this one. Only played my first random today in Montecuccoli, and killed 4 out of 5 DDs 2 Salvos you kill every same tier DDs, its rediculous. Cant buff the reload more i think...

So you choose to evade the question at hand, but try to pull a strawman Whether DDs can have a higher WR compared to CVs is also irrelevant, as we already figured out, CV WR is useless. DDs have a high influence on the outcome of the game. Only because majority of CV players is incapable to deal with DDs, is it possible for good DD players to still influence the game despite having a CV in game (and not every game has a CV in it.. but almost these days). Also, if you are better / the DD you are playing is stronger than other DDs in the game, you will still win more often. Kleber is still kinda new, and its not a traditional DD. Bad players will stay away from it, because they cant make it work. French DDs have a high skill ceiling. Daring on the other hand, is extremely good fighting other DDs. Simply for that reason, it will have a higher WR. If im not specifically grinding any ship, and winning is my main objective, i most likely will pick a ship which can get me the win. If i would have all DDs, why should i pick one which is inferior to another? Basicly that happened when YY got nerfed. It had very high WR, but dropped a lot after the nerf. The nerf itself wasnt the only reason, but good players not playing it anymore also added to that.

Ship WR for CVs is mostly irrelevant, because for T4+6+10 there are only 3 (4) CVs per tier!!!! T8 is the only reliable tier to measure CV balance, since we have more than half a dozen different ones there. On TX, you have matches like Haku vs Haku Midway vs Haku Auda vs Midway Haku vs Auda Midway vs Midway Audacious is basicly even irrelevant, since noone plays that one. Midway 6k games, Haku 4800 and Audacious... 1400 this week. Most of the time Midway and Haku face one another, or highly likely they face the same one. If 2 Hakus meet each other THE WR IS ALWAYS 50% IN THOSE GAMES . I hope you finaly can accnowledge that. Because either you are dishonest, or... well you figure it out. The only thing you see from Midway/Haku WR is that Midway is worse then Haku, since the difference in WR is 3%. So if Midway faces another CV, its slightly more likely that the side with midway loses. Could be, that Midway is worse, or that Midway is played by more bad players, we can only guess about that one tho. Or even for some reason, more good Midway players hide their stats. Only WG has all the Data.

Well, so how much should it be above 50% for you to say it would be OP? Talking about Hosho ofc. Hmm no? As i said before: Its not necessary about being OP, could say its broken aswell. Doesnt make it better tho. Smolensk f.e. i dont consider to be OP, but its broken because its bad for the game. The concept of the ship is bad. Do we have many really OP ships ingame? Probably not. Average stats wont really show that, because of how skilled the average player is *cough*. I mean, you would need to look at individual players and compare performance between same tier/class ships to get a picture. Then you could see, if a ship is overperforming for bad/average/good players. Or just balance ships around Unicums and be done with it. For Hosho: what i wrote above. First you need to know about the torps and how strong they really are. Thats already too much to ask for the average player. They might be playing with rockets or Bombs only because reason. Or they pick any type because they feel like it. They might shoot rockets into BB belts, or use Torps like bombs and drop them onto a ship (yes, ive seen that one actually !!) Thats why, you cant take those players into consideration if you want to see, when a ship is OP or not. Best players will use the ships to their full potential - then it will show how strong they truely are.

Well, on average i would agree. But i think, thats the bad DD players often dragging it down, because they basicly dont have any survivability at all If i look at my stats from this year, i got 67% survivability with BBs and DDs, but only 65% with Cruisers. At the same time, my average DD damage is 40k less than Cruisers, and less than half of BBs. Sure, average tier of my DD play is 6,9, while both others are ~8, so it makes a little bit difference. With BBs and Cruisers i dont rely as much on the enemies being stupid to get my damage. With DDs, you kinda have to hope for the enemy to allow you to get damage in on him. What i was going for is, that DDs have the lowest damage for a reason: They have a high impact on the game because of their role. BBs can have higher damage, because they otherwise are lacking in game influence. CVs on the other hand, have the ability to kill DDs at will (basicly). So they remove a class, which has a high influence on the outcome of the game, which makes them having a huge influence aswell! Not to mention, their damage capabilty are unrivaled by any other class. The DPM from CVs might be lower compared to others, but its pretty much guaranteed/sustained. If i play a Cruiser with shortrange, i need the enemy to get into my range so i can farm them. While my DPM is high if i can shoot, it can also be 0 for a certain period of the game, if i need to reposition or the enemy is running away. Good positioning certainly increases the damage capabilty of other ships, but CVs dont need to think of that really.

Sure you "can" doesnt mean its viable/correct. You think, if there would be only 3 Cruisers available, and the most played one would be Stalingrad, that it would retain its 58%WR? Never And 2 Hoshos vs 0 Hoshos shouldnt happen often, as i believe MM should put one Hosho in each team (if possible, Divisions might screw it up ofc). And even if 2vs1 hosho happens (probably does), doesnt mean that the 2 will win, noobs/newbs will struggle with any ship. That doesnt mean, Hosho is balanced / not too strong. Its totaly OP if played properly. Good, OP ship gets beaten by other OP ships Well, Orion is atleast. Not sure about Gangut, but if its same as Pyotr and others - very well might be. Dont really care if you call them OP/unbalanced/imba/broken - they are one of those. And i also dont look at noobs, that drag average stats done, because they will do that with any ship (Smolensk, or they would do it with Stalingrad aswell) One example, which isnt a joke: I show broadside because it LOOKS NICE! while playing BB. So you give that guy a Stalingrad, we would add one person to the pool with <10k average damage and abysmal WR. Hosho is probably not OP if played by our average playerbase... then again, what ship is? unless WG adds some kinda nuke button They wouldnt even know, that the Torps are totaly unbalanced. They will try rockets/AP Bombs because they want to try/learn other stuff. And thats totaly fine. But you can spam Hosho TBs the entire game, literally raping every ship with it. if you find a DD, that actually might be able to dodge, just take rockets instead to get him out of the way. Same thing with Orion using HE.

I dont consider Roma to be really special or good. The armor is decent, alltho it has a Citadel. Guns are really trollish (from what ive heard - dont have it actually), and the shell velocity is really fast so you get lots of overpens. Not long ago, i looked at hightier premiums for doubloons aswell, and the T8 Premium BBs arent that special, atleast for me. - Massa is a very unique one and strong, but i won that in a giveaway. But thats certainly one option later on. - Lenin, much like Vladi imo. Lenin has less HP, tad bit thicker plating afaik and slightly better sigma - Tirpitz, basicly Bismarck but with Torps instead of Hydro. Maybe one of the more unique premiums because of the Torps. - Alabama, dont get it compared to NC. I know a lot of people who like Albama, but cant quite figure out why NC has a little bit better Sigma, Alabama has better torp protection afaik. - Roma, as i said above. And we dont even have Italian BB techtree (yet), so you cant even use it as a captain trainer. - Kii, imo worse Amagi. Even Amagis 1.8 Sigma "feel" bad coming from Nagatos 2.0. And Kii has 1.7 - Vanguard / Gascogne are pretty much crap, dont get those How i would rate them Uniqueness 1. Massa 2. Tirpitz 3. Probably Roma, atleast doesnt have a techtree version of it (yet) Strength 1. Massa 2. Lenin 3. open, i think depends on playstyle. Alabama if you can lead because it has slow shells. Tirpitz if played properly + favourable MM. Roma because Concealment All others Once you unlocked most Techtree BBs, you probably rather want a unique Premium ship. I can just pick any other if i feel like it - doesnt need to be Premium. They only make it slightly easier at first, because they give you credits, and you can use any captain on them. Later on, it doesnt matter too much imo.

Oh dear lord... imagine whats coming to fix 3 CVs

Good that Enterprise got buffed several times before that... for no apparent reason even ? Will we see Enterprise in this years XMas Boxes?

I wanted to rant a bit, but i saw the game effed up that screenshot i made Basicly was T5-7 MM, 1 CV/side, but for some reason, i got put into the game to subsitute a T5 BB on the enemy side.... it was a Pyotr... i was Marblehead... [edited]you MM

Kill DD in smoke #1 Kill DD in smoke #2 Is fine

So how about we buff DD average damage to match that of Cruisers/BBs. Nothing wrong with that? Just dont overtake BBs, apparently thats a no-no...

what id think: Hayate / Paolo Emilio / Marceau: One of those i expect to be Steel, maybe one Coal Siegfried: FreeXP maybe limited cash like Alaska/JB Benham: XMas boxes (because someone mentioned Benham ) Are there any other options right now? Mainz/Odin: Dont expect either to be FreeXP/COal/Steel. Most likely cash, maybe some grind event.

Could be, but on the other hand 300+ people voted on that poll. Most of the active forum members are regulars, they play a lot and they vote regardless. Sadly, poll is private so we cant see who voted, but i guess we know the majority of them. Most people wont bother with the forums anyway, i dont see them coming here because they were unlucky with the RNG bundles (well, maybe a handful). They would need to know the existance of that poll in the first place, which they couldnt. So basicly it would mean, the active forum members are less lucky than the average player - seems kinda far fetched.

T8 Camo 18/18 T9 Camo 15/21 T10 camo dont bother, i see 5th package aint there. Probably somewhere in the back aswell. Added bonus: Genova 18/22 Yup, working as intended "RNG" my [edited]. I assume, the drop gets rolled every time you open a package, and the main price has a lower chance than all others (resulting in them being at the end more often). Maybe they threw some lucky ones in there, so it doesnt look rigged and they can say "well some were lucky and got it in first 3 packages". Someone made the poll about Genova, and i think it was >40% in the last 5th slots... makes no sense, atleast if it has a similar chance. At the same time, 1st slot had an usual high chance too (why? well, i say rigged)

Dunno, havent played so many of those in OPs. Atleast Myoko can do it at longer ranges IIRC. Let me check penetration values between 152mm and 203mm guns. Fiji/Budyonny have rather small difference in penetration. Fiji needs to be <9km, Budyonny can do it at ~10km if i remember correctly. So it should be ~140mm penetration get through the forts. Aobo/Myoko roughly got that pen at maxrange, so should be good to go. Pepsicola got more pen than IJN. Sadly, this site doesnt update anymore, so no ITA CAs, but i dont think they have vastly worse penetration than the others.

I dont think the others show hits either? Or do they? Cant tell, even tho ive played so many OPs HE deals always damage, AP depending on penetration. I guess SAP cant deal any damage, because it has a fixed penetration value. But 203mm AP should easily be enough to pen those forts. 152mm Cruisers can do it at <10km i think. Budyonny seems to be the best from what ive seen. So 203mm should be able to do it from further.

How could you not offended by this, because you get stuck with bad players ON PURPOSE. The better you are, the worse teammates you get - sounds like fun. Bad players wouldnt be offended by it, they would get their asses carried all the time. Need to learn? never.

Yeah, like we need more anti-Cruiser tools if AP rockets are "useless" against DDs, then against what do you use them? Cruiser! Maybe you could even citadel them. BBs have so much armor, you would never get through to the citadel. You would get pens on the all-or-nothing-BBs plating ofc. Current rockets are already OP vs (non-heal) Cruisers, no need to make it any worse. Its pretty much 5-10k guaranteed damage and the Cruiser cant do anything against it. So the CVs with HE bombs can still dominate DDs, while others cant... sounds balanced Heck, ive screwed DDs playing Hosho since they gave her 2 torps per drop. Literally 1 minute into the game, they lost 90% of their HP to one drop! Then they died because they were spotted. That was even a bit slow, had to find him first

You cant use global WR for a ship/class, which is always matched/mirrored and only 3 different types of that class exists on that tier! 53% WR is high for that already imo. T4 games consist of atleast 4 CVs, lately sometimes even 6. So, how many Hoshos are there in every game on average?... Lets make that easier: Last week 9653 Hosho games 9244 Langley games 3280 Hermes games If we say, on average we need 4CVs per game, that would be ~5550 games. So basicly every game has 1,73 Hoshos 1,67 Langleys 0,60 Hermes What does that mean? Quite often, every team has 1 Hosho, one wins, the others loses which pulls them down to 50% WR. last couple of T4 games ive played. One other was Langley/Hosho vs Langley/Hermes. And a T4/5 game was Hosho/Hermes vs Hosho/Hermes Clearly, using global WR as a measurement works for CVs. But if WG thinks the way you do (which they might) then its no wonder Hosho stays the way it does. Alltho, the upcomming nerf will certainly make it harder for bad/average players to perform with TBs. Meanwhile, good CV players will still use TBs to slaughter others. Its not like, Langley/Hermes are much balanced against ships, which dont have any AA. Hosho is just the worst offender of them. Why they sometimes make ships UP during testing - i dont have any idea for that. But making them OP first certainly makes "sense" for them: - STs/CCs often show new ships right away, and some of them make YT vids based upon how the ship was released at first - Later, after the ship got nerfed, they release it - Someone, who is interested in buying that ship, might go to YT and find a video of the OP version of that ship, but the current version is not the same, which he doesnt know. But he thinks, the ship is OP, so he will more likely buy it. F.e. Flamus Cesare vid from the first time shows, when it had Cruiser dispersion. It didnt get released like that, but people watching the vid might have thought that it would be like that if they buy it. Maybe bad example as you cant buy GC anymore, but you could back then.

What @lafeel said. And ontop of that, thats ranked sprint - that literally says nothing at all. You could rank out with 100 games played and 40% in Sprint.

Could you specify what exactly you mean? Otherwise: Yes, those seem to be normal human players

Ofc its not justified. But in case of the OP, he made some questionable remarks and got punished for it. As @pra3y put it quite nicely: whether he played CVs didnt matter too much - his attitude stinks (and aswell in the part i quoted) Also i think, its quite funny how people react to CV players: They make up stuff so they can flame you Atleast i can report them for missbehaviour in chat aswell