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Ok, so defend someone who is saying, minimap is a cheat ?! Any feature available in a game, cant be a cheat - period. If WG decides to add an aimbot tomorrow, its NOT a cheat. Even if its a cheat in any other game. For definition of cheat, look it up. Thats not my definition, its basicly accepted by the gaming community.

Which is quite interesting, because i think, X-marks the spot was only available in Aslains, but not in the modstation pack if im not mistaken? Anyway, people make those mods, and then they give them to whoever is in charge of the packs. So clearly, the rule about not making mods, which enhance your aim comes BEFORE the rule, that WG is allowing them into the modpack. I think, they just didnt grasp the magnitude of the X-marks the spot. Same as they thought, Slingshot drop is not a big deal for CVs, yet after a year they try to fix it. And i think, same happened to the Marker, so they put it into the game.

I think it should be clear if you followed this thread so far? In general, i dont mind mods. Aslong as they dont cross the boundaries, where they give plain advantages to your gameplay. Thats why i disagree a bit with the mods @Odo_Toothless listed that he are using. Sure, they can give you advantages in some places, but its not necessary their main feature. I think, WG is going too far with all the visual stuff, so it might cause problems with some people if they have bad eyesight (odo said it makes him dizzy). Thats perfectly acceptable for me. However, something like X-marks the spot only made it into the modpack, so you can shoot at unspotted targets easier, using last known position on minimap. Something like that doesnt belong in a modpack. Either put it into the game, or remove it from the modpack.

Ofc they are, but we should consider what a feature/mod/cheat does and not judge it based upon it being allowed by the developer. Otherwise we might run into mods at some point, that actually get you banned if WG decides, hey thats actually not ok. Well, this is probably less of an issue for Modstation, but we dont know how it is for Aslains And btw, pretty interesting what i just found out If that didnt include x-marks the spot, then i wonder, what people would have used it for. It clearly does help aiming in certain situations. Technically you can learn that as you go, if you are willing to pay attention whats happening in the game. I did have a decent knowledge about overmatch, but when i got Missouri back in the days, i didnt know if it can overmatch the bow of any other TX BB. So i shot a Montana bow on, i bounced. That told me enough. Granted, its not easy, but its possible.

Except not everyone has really access to it, nor does it tell you when you install the game. You have to accept, that most people dont want to invest time looking in the forum or learning stuff about the game. Thats why most players are... bad? Only if its build-in to the game, everyone has truely access to it. If i have to look seperately for it, its not something everyone can get. With that logic, everyone has access to cheat tools aswell (just use google)..

1. Thats arguably not an improvement, as the spotter plane view can give you advantages shooting over an island, which you couldnt do otherwise. If that mod works the other way around i.e. watching from spotter plane view while not using a spotter plane, then it actually is a cheat, as it gives you an advantage you wouldnt have: Shooting over an island. 2. I dont see an advantage there. The symbols are pointing the way the ship is looking. If the symbols would not show that or they would have a different form (square) so you cant know which direction the ship is looking, then it would be an advantage. 3.+4. Some people have trouble with eyesight, so once again, its a cosmetic change. Without that mod, they are at a DISADVANTAGE over other players. Absolutely right, thats what i believe aswell.

Please stop talking, you are embarassing yourself because you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Apparently, you cant differentiate between in-game features, mods or cheats. An in-game feature can never be a cheat, so much for you Minimap is a cheat Everything in a game, which is available for EVERYONE is not a cheat. If there would be a game, where you have an aimbot, then the aimbot is not a cheat - its part of the game. Thats why, definitions are important. If everyone has it, then there is no advantage over other players. I already quoted you the definition for a cheat Back to the minimap: How is using the minimap "secretly subverting the rules to gain an unfair advantage"? And back to mods: There is a difference, if you use mods to change how the game works IF everyone is using the same mod. Often if you play a modded version of a game, that changes more than cosmetics, then everyone is playing the same mod, thus it cant be a cheat any longer (no unfair advantage over others) But if you use so called mods (only because YOU are calling them mods), which give unfair advantages (which are proven) over non-mod Users, then they are becoming cheats. X-marks the spot was a cheat in the modpack by definition. WG allowed it, but they might have thought its problematic, so they added it into the game. SO ITS NOT LONGER A CHEAT, BUT A FEATURE. Try to comprehend that, and stop insulting others.

I think its unnecessary, as it gives good players an even bigger advantage - one that they dont need. I just think its not good for the game (but i wont argue for removing it, as it was ok for me that they introduced it into the game. Better than to have it in a modpack) As for the definition: Well, we are talking about the past here, but as a community, we should be against "mods" that surpass the boundaries of a mod.

Ofc its not a cheat anymore since its implemented in the game - everyone has it now. If its a feature of the game, its not a cheat. If its not available directly in the game, its either a mod or a cheat. And the X-marks the spot fulfilled the criteria of being a cheat, but many people ( @Gebe_ *cough*) seem to not accept the definition of a cheat. Keep downvoting posts, who cares

1:24 if its a CV running DCP Mod 1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_online_games X-marks the spot clearly gave an advantage to those who used it over those who didnt. It wasnt accessable through the game by everyone. You had to seperately download it. Making it part of a Mod-pack, doesnt make it a Mod by definition. You cant put something like this into a modpack. That WG allowed it, just shows how incompetent and oblivious they were/are That being said: Ofc you cant get banned for it, if WG is allowing it. Doesnt mean its right or fair tho.... @Odo_Toothless We dont know WGs policy towards Aslains. I guess if unsure, use Modstation. Id say its more on the safeside than Aslains. If unsure, just dont use em. I would expect anything from WG.

When the x-marks the spot was part of a mod and not included in the game. It clearly was a cheat back then, but allowed by WG as it was covered as a "mod". Now thats in the game, its ofc not a cheat anymore, as everyone has access to it. But that doesnt make it any better...

DDs arent counter to DDs, because ultimatively means, that one will die, so the other has no counter left. Thats why a lot of very good players used to play DDs, because they could get rid of the enemy DD and then influence the battle at will.

No, because the XP we see, is influenced by Premium account. So a worse player can have more XP if he is running premium account, compared to a better player not running premium.

I doubt it, since Ships get only 0,05% HP recovery per sec. Planes get 1%

I think someone just came early at WG HQ due to the awesome balancing he made to his favorite class

Thats interesting, i didnt knew that. Alltho, i basicly wouldnt use spotter plane + any range mod anyway. Has it always been like that? I always assumed, Yamato could shoot 35km with Range mod + spotter plane

Thats insinuating, that everyone would want to play OP ships, regardless of how they are played. For me personaly, im not here to play with planes. Sure, occasionally its fine. So is playing against CVs. It gets annoying when you have to face them every game - sometimes 2 or 3 depending where you play. So yep, i dont enjoy playing them all the time, nor do i enjoy having them around every game. Also i dont like the IFHE rework, and i dont like introduction of Subs. Not because they are necessarily bad for the game, but because what WG will do to them in order to grab the most amount of cash. There is no confidence in balancing left, they do what they want, they forcefeed us bunch of BS and continue time after time. I see myself out soon

CV sits behind island, can strike anyhing anywhere, the closer you get, the more dangerous it becomes. But thats ok? Defending CVs is pure hypocrisy at this point. They combine all the bad habits from other ships, but then its called a solution rather than a problem...

We met @JapLance today on shards in a T6-8 game. Was pretty easy going. I dont think you reacted to us

The further you are back, the more is the turtleback working against you with Hindenburg. Sure you cant go in close at the start, everything will rip you apart. Stay back, shoot HE. You should be able to dodge BB shots from that range. They wont citadel you, if you are properly angled. Yes, they still can overmatch you, and the amount of BBs that can do it increased over time. If the dispersion is so good, then dodging makes even more sense. A properly played Zao is a tremendous pain the [edited]. If you are spotted and turn, then you pretty much die. But if you are in kiting position, its not easy to hurt a Zao. Especially with that concealment, you can just go dark if crap hits the fan. Venezia is very strong imo. The ones before that are not as good from what ive seen. But 15 SAP shells hurt A LOT, even BBs. I dont think you can do open water DM at <15km. If anything, you need atleast the range mod to bump it up to 18km. Sooner or later, something will hit you big time. Ive devastated so many DMs who were caught in open water, its one of the easiest ships to multicit imo.

Why not pick a ship more suited for that? Zao, Hindenburg, Henri, Venezia?

Did you check the other premium BBs from other nations? How about DoY/Vanguard? They are pretty bad, certainly worse than Ashitaka and Kii imo. Mutsu on the other hand, seems to be the strongest T6 BB by WR and damage. Gascogne is rather bad too, atleast from what ive heard. Or Roma, is it really good? Sure, some like it, others dont. Or your Ashitaka analysis: You did play Nelson, but Nelson is ofc awesome. Yet it has horrendously bad armor too, id say worse than Ashitaka. Show broadside: MultiCitadels. But ofc you arent safe from bow-citadels either, since your citadel is so huge. Tier for tier, id rate these ships the strongest: - Bourgogne - Musashi - Probably Lenin, alltho i dont have it, but i think its the strongest. Massa is certainly strong too. All other T8 premium BBs are pretty meh in my book - Nelson, but its not easy to play. Scharnhorst is good too.

How does that myth keep sticking around? Shatters/pens have no influence on firechance.

And IJN BB T9-10 decks too. Imo IFHE Hinden right now does not rely on fires - so even if you lose even more firechance, i dont think it will matter. If you calculate the effective firechance (with DE + fireflags) from Hindenburg now its 7% vs TX (even lower if extra debuffs like FP come into play) vs 5,25% after IFHE rework. Is that much? Dont think so. For Henri, i think its different. It has a MUCH higher firechance + reloadbooster. Effective firechance is 11,5% now vs 7,5% after rework. I think that makes more of a difference. Not to mention, you get 50mm pen, but not 57/60 like Hindenburg. I think IFHE Henri was just the answer to Moskva/Stalingrad in CBs - its not needed for randoms in any way.