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Because when the cruiser pushes up into pushing BBs, they get deleted There could be 20 BBs and 1 Cruiser on each side, most of them would still shoot the Cruiser. So you cant tank for your Cruisers no matter how much you try. They can be undetected behind an island ofc, but then they most likely cant shoot the DD.

@HassenderZerhacker Thats overmatch in action. Only Yamato and Musashi can overmatch the stern of US BBs. I had to hit him at the stern, because his entire midsection would bounce my shells.

If you have a specific game/incident in mind, upload the reply i can have a look.

Whether a superstructure hit is an overpen or an actual pen is pretty much down to RNG imo. If you hit enough layers, at some point, the shell will detonate. German ships have rather huge superstructures, making it easier to get pens, especially when angled. Unrepairable damage would be Citadel damage... kinda. BBs can heal 10% of that https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Repair_Party_Data more info on what you can heal to which amount.

NY, Texas and NM should be no match for a Bayern, as their caliber is rather small, and Bayern is just a solid iron block. If the Bayern is properly angles, they cant hurt it anywhere except on the superstructure. But Bayern in return can pen them basicly everywhere. Colo, Massa and NC can overmatch the bow of the Gneisenau (and stern), but it will also take damage on the rather large superstructure. Tirpitz should have no issues with any if you are angled, but again, it will take rather large amounts of damage on the Superstructure.

If thats not hilarious, i dunno what is

Which ships were involved? If its a Colorado, you should have no issues getting pens, as its covered in 26mm of armor, even the entire midsection. You can ofc always hit the turrets, which can produce 0 damage pens, shatters or bounces.

Depends on tiers. German Bow armor is superior to most others, but doesnt make it invulnerable (unless its the GK, which actually is pratically immune to bow overmatch from any ship) Gneisenau has 26mm upper bow, so every US BB starting from Colorado can overmatch that part (and WV on T6). Colorado has 26mm aswell, so a Gneisenau can overmatch it too. But Tirpitz bow cant be overmatched by any US BB, as its 32mm. Only Yamato and Musashi can do it. 26mm armor needs 372mm caliber to overmatch it. F.e. german BB guns on Bayern, Gneisenau and Bismarck/Tirpitz can overmatch it. 27mm armor gets overmatched by >387mm guns. 32mm armor needs 460mm guns to be overmatched.

There isnt really any plunging fire in this game (atleast for BBs), as the angle from which the shells drop isnt steep enough to overcome the autobounce angle. When you hit the superstructure from the length of the ship, you will ofc go through that because it has very little armor. However, below the superstructure, there is a thicker deck, from which the shell will ricochet and leave the ship somewhere else. Colorados impact angle at 17km is roughly ~18° so nowhere near to even get into the range of not ricocheting. For that i think, the bomb didnt hit where you see it hitting. @El2aZeR said since a couple of patches, hits from a CV dont register... but i believe, its the same for shells aswell. I see shells going through ships all the time, so either its desync or the shell on the server is somewhere else compared to where we see it ourselves.

TBH, it can happen, even when it shouldnt. Over the years, i had too many of those citadels, i cant even remember all. The first one to trigger me really badly, was a Gneisenau citadelling my Roon through the bow, costing us the game. But ive also had: - Montana citadelling Missouri through bow - Mino on Zao bow - Hindenburg on Zao bow - Fiji on Roma broadside - GK on GK into superstructure and many more... apparently it might be somehow possible, if you hit the tip of the bow, which makes it more likely for some ships than on others. You can actually pen the tip of the yamato bow "easily" because its flat and rather big area compared to others.

So you never win when you did nothing?

My best game ever Im still shaking, as we almost lost it 20200411_214418_PJSB018-Yamato-1944_20_NE_two_brothers.wowsreplay

I didnt deny that, but there certainly are some players, who are bad (to put it nicely) and constantly blame their team for their own shortcomings. Everyone gets the WR he deserves, because good and bad teammates will eventually even out over time.

True, appropriate pen with normal dispersion would be more balanced....

Ah so thats why, Moskva gets "removed": They got it wrong the first time Must correct with moar sikrit dokkuments.

Ofc How else could a BUffalo rush an Alsace and a Richelieu and survive? While they die. Cruisers [edited]totaly broken OP

One thing about spotting damage: If your team can see the enemy by themselves (because they are shooting) you dont get spotting damage. Only if they shoot a target which is spotted by you and otherwise unspotted, will you get spotting damage.

Petro has almost stalingrad level of penetration with 220mm guns, and even stalins pen with 305mm is rediculous. Its better than 380mm BB pen, while Petro is roughly the same as BIsmarck or others. Just a bunch of Horseshit if you ask me, added Moskva so you can see how much horseshit it actually is...

Here is what we once did with our division: I was playing Wooster, and had a Gearing with me i the division. We went together towards B cap on Atlantic. I was spotted while going into island cover, and could pinpoint the location of the DD by the moment i got unspotted. Told my Gearing where the enemy DD was sitting, he torped there and killed the DD. So can be bad luck, or very good coordination.

Ive played Hindi always with Reload mod + Spotter plane + Spotter plane mod. But ive played it couple of times lately, and i felt i lack range. Probably because of all the camping going on...

Exactly, but you claim, Somers is so good because you dev-doublestriked two noob smolensk in their smoke, who probably were even too dumb to run hydro...

Dude seriously? We dont need more players that constantly blame their team for their own failures. Im not saying, it is the case here, but its certainly the easy way out.

I didnt know, KOTS players usually have 45% WR (before some overeager MOD or something else shows up: the Smolensk's)

As i said, not sure about T8 BBs, but the majority they cant citadel. Doesnt mean, you cant get citadels ever, i sure have. Izumo, NC/Iowa, GK (several even), tirpitz... but thats more luck than anything else. And they mostly go through the bow into the frontal citadel plating, which has much less armor. Balti head on vs Hipper? Well first, Balti outspots the Hipper. It has more HE DPM. And if you use your backturrets, it can actually citadel you. I played Hipper in the 1v1 sprint (for some games), and against a Balti was one of the 2 games i lost. I still think he was lucky as [edited], since he got 5 out of 6 citadels through my bow <0,5 sec before the torps reached him... they literally touched his ship already nevertheless, US AP can citadel german Cruisers despite turtleback thanks to the improved AP angles. Nah, its abysmal pen. Ive had the same experience both ways Sounds weird tbh. Alltho i think i didnt test T8 BBs, i did test all TX BBs with Hindenburg out of curiosity. And Yamato was the only one getting citadels through the weakspot at <1km. Difference to Moskva isnt that much imo, like 0,4 sec when both use reload mod. If you use range mod on Hindi, Moskva has better reload. Granted, Moskva often uses only half of the firepower Hindi uses.

You want to go for Pens mostly. German AP can citadel Cruisers, and it deals huge amounts of damage. But sometimes, it cant. You can shoot AP into broadside BBs for nice chunks. Afterall, you have 12 shells in the air and hightier BBs dont have that much upper belt armor so you can get pens there. Overall id say, CM is MUCH better than Hipper, while Roon is only slightly worse than St Louis (imo). Hindi and Henri differ more from each other, hard to say if one is better. Henri AP is very powerful tho.