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I think most of those others dont really get that many complaints compared to russian ships. Ive never seen anyone complaining about Bourgogne in this forum btw (not saying i couldnt have missed that) Used to be different for older ships i agree, like Belfast/Kami/Kutuzov, but these days it feels like permanent hating on russian ships. And even if you get some complaints about Venezia (or other ships), majority of people will disagree. The only thing surpassing russian bias whine, is CV/Sub hate pretty much.

Forgot one more thing adding to that: If the playerbase keeps whining about every russian ship WG releases, they will simply ignore it, because it holds no grounds. Even more so, when WG releases other strong/OP/Broken ships, and noone complains about them. So if people would actually complain equally, MAYBE you could get WG to listen. But complaining about russian ships only, why should they listen? It feels like hating on russians more then actual game balance.

No they dont make sense, because (again) you ignore my initial arguement: Look at people playing Stalingrad the most, and from the first 5, 3 have both Stalingrad and Venezia, 2 of those 3 do better in Venezia than Stalingrad! Thats literally your arguement why Stalingrad is better than Venezia. Yet if i use the same measurement as you, you tell me im wrong. I already showed 2 examples. If you look at non-OP/non-Sealclubbing/techtree ships, it often looks the same. F.e. you look at Hosho, you see sealclubbers play it more often + all the time. But Hindenburg? Thats why i showed you most played Hindenburg players... you are continously backing out of your own standard. - Venezia is not too strong, because most battles Venezia players are not overperforming with it, while assuming, they are the most skilled. Thats entirely wrong. I showed you, many players with hundred Venezia players are WORSE than their average account stats. Same for Hindenburg. If you want to look at all other ships to disprove my claim, feel free to do it. But i know that you wont win that one. https://wows-numbers.com/de/ship/3760109008,Stalingrad/?order=win_rate__desc&p=31 So based on those players, Stalingrad needs a buff. Thats your arguement why Venezia is bad. Because they are [edited]using double standard, maybe not entirely on their own, but also because they are influenced by CCs. Look what they say: - Strong russian ship = OP - Strong non-russian Ship = Fun to play. Where does that make any sense?! Also, people dont even understand the issues with Stalingrad. The only thing i would change, is raise the shell armor threshold to normal levels (for some reason, it doesnt follow normal rules) and maybe give it normal fuse delay. For Petro, i think the insane AP penetration is too much. Wrong again. The only reason people pick Venezia, is because its the only ship that can escape the flying death called CVs. Btw, what venezia can do to other Cruisers is even more unholy than what they do to a Stalingrad. Why wasnt everyone playing Stalingrad past seasons if its the best ship in this entire game? Oh wait, because can be countered. Why dont we see people adapting to Venezia spam? Because you can counter Venezia, but you cant counter a CV then....

Wouldnt take it for 28k either...

Oh wait, because i used your tactic against you, now you dont have any arguement any longer because it didnt made sense in the first place And i asked that question, because MOST of the time, people who play ships for hundreds/thousands of battles often enough suck in that ship (for whatever reason). And i wonder, how did you rate the first guy. Better in Stalingrad because higher WR? But if you look at Solo games, he actually has better WR/damage in Venezia so... I can totaly see that... 2 out of those 3 actually lower their WR because of Venezia... Or to paint a better picture: 5 out of the first 10 lower their WR with Venezia, even the guy with 57% WR has higher WR on his acc. Look at older ships https://wows-numbers.com/ship/4179539760,Hindenburg/?order=battles__desc#leaderboard There are like 5 guys with blue WR, none with Unicum! Out of 100!!! Sure, best Hindenburg players around...

Mostly damage to BBs maybe?

Maybe you should reconcider your position, when everyone tells you its bad and doesnt work... cant probably be you, must be the 10 other guys, right?

Oh ofc, once everyone has 50% WR, we are all equally skilled i guess

The problem being, wows doesnt have a respawn mechanic. There are only 12 enemies. And being on a killstreak happens quite rarely in wows. By the time you have like 4-5 kills, the enemies are already well.. mostly dead? And a respawn feature simply doesnt work in wows, atleast not with how things are currently balanced. So your idea makes sense for other games, but it doesnt for wows.

yeah totaly... 24 battles (of which like half of that i played when i got it) + a handful of CBs makes it a "precious toy". So why are they supposed to be good players only because they play a lot? I just checked the guys playing Stalingrad the most. 1. doesnt have Venezia 2. Outperforms Stalingrad with his Venezia. 3. Is better with Stalingrad then Venezia. 4. Again better with Venezia 5. Doesnt have venezia So? Big deal... Shows the same picture as you wanna paint only differently, that Venezia is stronger.

Your point being? Ofc when people shoot ships they cant hurt, you wont deal damage and you lower your chances to win... i dont farm russian BBs with my HE ships either, doesnt make Venezia more balanced. SAP is a [edited] ammo. And when we get a BB line with it, it probably becomes even more evident. The only thing i dont like about that, that most Cruisers (better HEAVY cruisers) cant Citadel BBs at all. Other than that, id be fine, if there would be a small difference, when some can do it better than others. Currently its more like: Some basicly cant do it at all (or literally sitting 1km next to it) while others can do it from 10km or even more.

Playing Hosho is like the schoolyard bully whaling on kids half his size because they cant defend themselves.

Sure, any T6 ship can see any T8 ship without problems. No T4 Ship can see T6 ships however, unless they are in a division with a T5 ship (and for CVs, this requires a faildiv on both sites actually).

srsly, why do people keep playing then? Must be the pressure when you spend hundreds of € / hours into the game and dont want to move away from it.

Totaly agree. Feels like pacifist wows lately... like in coop, you see half the people do nothing at best. at worst, they actively avoid engagements. Also why does it matter if its T10 or T6? People are actively NOT playing this game. But i guess they still pump in money into WG so its success for them

When people will realise that, especially BBs, they will just perma angle against you. Like playing Stalingrad these days. Everyone angles against you, and they all focus you - not fun at all.

So which of the 3 types gets an extra fighter? Rockets, DBs or TBs? I think its very much complicated. Someone might want an extra one for rockets, others for DBs, others might want it on a different squad each game.

TBF, i dont see it. The russian BB stats seemed to be mostly inflated, because noobs didnt play them yet. last 2 months 46% WR, in an OP ship (yes, Pyotr is OP in my book actually). Its 3rd lowest by techtreeships, Bretagne is last, then New York and then Pyotr. Kongo and König are ahead. EU server WR. Pyotr is still from the techtrees overall However, if we look at russian server Why are good players having better stats with it? Well, mostly because, they have become better than when they played the older lines back then. My first line of Cruisers is also worse than the latter ones ive played. And adding to that is ofc constant russian bashing by certain CC, who says everything good is OP when its russian, but if its not russian then its fun to play.

3 extra fighters however might be.

The problem with that is ofc the introduction of those collections/way to get the collection items: Yamamoto collection is started through the campaign. Back then, WG was going that campaign way, but some time later, they didnt like it anymore so they went with directives. Ofc they could just remove the collection from the campaign, but i guess they dont feel like doing it. I think its normal, that in a game like this, stuff just changes over time, especially when we are talking years now. Makes it hard to have some consistency.

Exactly that ofc, but i try to show others, that powercreep is not only for russian ships. Or not only russian ships are OP... or not every russian ship is OP... At best those strong russian ships can be called newbfriendly, especially those BBs.

And because Venezia is not russian, people think its fine SAP is one of the most broken things in the game right now, hf when italian BBs are released with SAP ammo. you wish you would get HE farmed then btw, not defending petro, but that whining about russian powercreep is annoying, when you forget the other powercreep, because its not russian.

So why cant we have both like right now? You get IJN alt camo + 2 flags for yamamoto collection and USN alt camo + 2 flags for American Cruiser collection. Both by daily containers. For RN you have Naval Aviation and RN Destroyer collections, again both can be completed with daily containers. For French you have Legion of Honor collection. (currently not available i think?) And for russians we have Service of the motherland collection. The only major nation missing is germany right now. The other nations only have 1 line in the techtree right now, so i assume we will get those when they have more lines available? Also you could get Yamato perma camo from HSF collection also 4 free, which was last year, and then there was the bad advice captain collection too. And then you have collections where you have to use resources (coal) to get the items, which include getting - Bismarck perma Camos - Special captain Jack Dunkirk - 5 T8 permacamos - Special captain Jean-Jacques Honore - Special camo for DoY - SC + 40 special flags - Unique captain Luigi Sansonetti Even more limited access collection is KOTS, which is only available when KOTS tournament is live. And Shipbuilding collection, which might come back maybe? So i think its fair: You get the easy stuff by basicly doing nothing, and if you want better stuff, you can choose to spend coal to get them. I mean, spending like 30k Coal for most of those except sansonetti seems reasonable to me.

So they arent all easily accessable once you get the first item? Like KOTS collection, they want to spread it out for 2 KOTS seasons, and you have to put some effort in to get all containers, which makes sense because the final reward is a T7 premium ship. If all collections would be easy to obtain, i guess the rewards would be mostly garbage.

There are useless skills for other classes aswell? I mean, look at the amount of BBs running SE... They basicly gain nothing but still use it. Maybe it doesnt count for squadrons, because you dont get +1 consumable, but +3 - for every type 1 (+1 fighter for Rockets, DBs and TBs).