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I think you deal most of that damage with mainguns, unless its a TX CV which shatters all your shells with his armored deck. Keeping a CV with DCP on CD burning is rather easy as they burn easier than other ships, but that usually requires 1 minute before you are able to do that. Still assuming he just doesnt die before that No, he does use DCP immediately. Then its 60 sec active (or more if the CV uses the coal DCP mod ). If is DCP is on CD, every fire will only burn 5 secs. T4-8 CVs will probably be dead when they are getting shot at by HE from a Cruiser for 1 minute straight. Only TX CVs are different because of their lulzy deckarmor.

And MBRB will be "call in a full squad when your first one is down to 1 attackwing" because topkek

For a grand total of 5 seconds While yes, it does receive 1% damage per second compared to 0,3% for all other classes, its still much less overall (5% for 1 fire, 9% for DDs/Cruisers, 18% for BBs)

Its also important to note, that PM reduces chance of losing torptubes and guns. To me thats also more important that PT. I just go with "if im spotted, someone will shoot me", not to mention most of the time you want to get undetected again anyway. Open water gunboats differ from that ofc, as they are more like Cruisers.

I can see them coming "soon" after Italian BBs, because they need a counter. So maybe like halfway through 2021.

Trying to get better in one of the 4 other classes not challenging enough?

Couldnt agree more, i still vividly remember playing both Hatsu and Fubuki... with one ship, i got all the devstrikes because enemies kept eating all torps, while with the other, they dodged permanently. You can guess which one

Its not a gunboat - maybe that helps already

Just watched an old Gneisenau game from myself from 2017. I think, german BBs worked better back then, because you didnt see this passive camping meta as much as we have now. And ive also realized over time, german BBs are actually good div ships. If you have Cruisers taking advantage and helping you with your pushing power, then it can work out really well Here a couple of screenshots: Essentially a 3vs5 (Neptune in the back). Sure, our team is camping quite hard, atleast the enemies are not. 1,5 mins later, all 3 BBs sunk (ofc i die too). A good trade against 1xT8 and 2x T9 BBs

If thats your normal gameplay, its no wonder why. Basicly you wait for your team to carry you, so you can deal nice damage from 20+km while enemies are disctracted (at times, the salvoes could be much better, f.e. against the continously beaching Petro). If your team does crumble, they are basicly one BB down because you are sitting so far behind, so every other ship has to tank more. Naturally, they die faster since they are closer to more enemy ships. God forbid, your team has some suiciders then its even faster GG for your side.

You should have added a line close to the end like this: "If you have read this far, you are stoopid" or something, just to check if anyone did read it

Because MM is not the issue. Its about inexperienced players, who dont know how to play. Im not saying that you are necessarily as inexperienced as most others with that amount of games, it still explains the issue we are seeing: Its too easy to "grind" to T10, while not learning the game at all. MM doesnt need to be fixed - players need to go back to midtiers in order to become better players.

I wonder when we will reach a point when it cant get worse anymore? I assume when all 11 teammates immediately run into a corner, then we have hit rock bottom.

Well the OP doesnt even have 600 random battles, didnt really grind a single ship so... he is part of the problem he is complaining about

Well it shouldnt work ever actually Can brawl almost everything else, but DM DPM is so incredible that its basicly impossible. But in theory, Georgia should be able to brawl some ships atleast, if you do it properly. Just dont do it against BBs that dont have a citadel

Playerbase is so bad, you can pretty much brawl with everything, assuming you are good enough yourself. Ive basicly brawled my strongest counters and won - Yamato vs Kremlin - Stalingrad vs PR - Mino vs DM - Wooster vs DM - Mino vs Kremlin - Mino vs GK (and Stalin after that ) - Salem vs Yamato - Mino vs Moskva and Venezia consecutively In general tho, BBs brawling other BBs always depends if either has a citadel.

If only one clan is doing it, then its still a good choice. I doubt playing petro would be any better, if they are already better at using petros Not sure if im going to play more CBs anyway, first day i was already bored again. Cyclone doesnt do anything (big surprise), so nothing changed, as expected. Well, Venezia/Stalingrad made room for Petro, and Haku for MvR... thats about it. Will only get worse the further the season advances.

So because Petro is even more broken than Stalingrad and Venezia, its not CVs fault anymore? Interesting logic right there Hindenburg actually deals fairly well with Petro. I guess in theory you could use IFHE Henri, since fires dont matter against Petro, contrary to Stalingrad.

I dont understand the connection here. Did russian teams somehow play with CVs? EU teams preferring the campy style is a seperate issue on its own (if you so wanna call it). Not to mention, CBs with CVs were >20km shooting from spawn. I dont understand why - Camping at an island = bad - Camping in spawn = good makes no sense to me. Both is essentially the same. The latter gives you the illusion of moving, because you wanna dodge the shots better than the enemy. But its still shooting >20km at one another.

Pretty much crap id say. Its comparable to KGV, but potentially even worse - Same small caliber guns - 9 instead of 10 shells with slower reload - 26mm plating and deck - Has also a citadel when broadside - Probably wont get citadelled throught the bow tho - Worse HE

Neutral at best

KOTS containers. CAn get 8 per KOTS season. 2 from watching streams other through missions

GK was the only german BB i actually liked to play

Basicly how it went for me the first CV season: - Got forced into Stalingrad. While i did occasionally play Stalingrad before, its not something i enjoy too much because its such a stale plastyle. - Got fedup by being raped by CV - FreeXPed Venezia And that happened before we even reached Storm league... Only the first day(s) you could play whatever since everyone was doing the same till they moved over to Stalingrad/Venezias.

CV players = 1st class premium players DD players = 4th class dirt under your fingernails