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Permacamos as an entity that we bought ARE REMOVED I suggest you guys talk to an actall consumer law lawyer about that part, fact you are “giving out” several other things as compensation does not negate the fact you remove the original one as such, per EU laws explicit consumer consent is needed for such instances unless the conumer is clearly and unequivally benefitting from that wouthoit any applicable negative effect, if provision of a service or item cannot be continued in given way for corporate reasons contract termination without penalities has to be offerred to the customer as a bare minimum… Now I realise WG likes to operate “just nearby but outside EU lawset” but they should really tread carefully in current climate Brussels might not be lenient twards that kind of behaviour esp from wg… So you as well acknowlege you are removing part of the product that you sold and yes I am well aware why your corpo lawyers think (and prob are right alas) they will come scott free as well as why you started trickling doubloons in small quantities for mundane tasks in the game a while back instead of keeping free gold locked behind the grindwall as it was before but lets not pretend here… I know the bonus is added to the ship, I am aware of the PTS and have seen enough of the rework to understand how it works that is beside the point, point is the PRINCIPLE of removing a purchased item without option of refund while replacing it with something else, and your finance dept is so blinded with short term greed they cant even fathom how they are shooting themselves in the foot in the long run, NOBODY in their right mind will give you any money for any in game item you matket as “petmant” after they see you arbitrarily remove stuff and not offer anything, just so you know WG had set a proper precedence when the CV rework happened and all CVs and permaflages could be refunded, some kept theirs, others didnt but the option was there, thats the point… Well ok somebody somewhere and sometime asked for it (or at least there is such a post) I am sure somebody somewhere and sometime asked for tactical nukes and cruise missiles, doesnt mean you have to put them ine dorsnt it? I mean many of us asked you stop developing subs in the form of super griefer class but I dont see it happening either, ergo you develop what you want, and thats fine its your game, but some basic consumer culture is to be expected in 21st century EU and your guys are really taking the cake currently

Tbh Schlieffen and her entire line are meh at best, they are way to undergunned to be an effective long range ship in this game and way to soft to be a proper brawler, they are a line of yolo bbs designed so the 5min per battle kevins can actually get some damage done in their blaze of glory… T-61 is past her prime, way past it tbh and also a removed premium so hardly a matter to be taken into consideration, Mainz is just another long range HE spammer no different then any other actually there are far more efective carry boats of her type in that tier that have more then just spamming from 15+ km up their sleeve…

No they wont, period, fact they will rework the way bonuses are applied and split the visual part from economic part of the camo making both separatley available even if they grant them both “for free” doesnt negate the fact that permaflage as such is removed as an integral object and thats even without going into spotting and dispersion part that WONT be baked into anything as far as we all know as of this moment… Also “baked in bonuses” are just extra level of muddy up the water so nobody can figure out who gets what and why do they get it in the battle screen, we had a simple and efective system with flags and camos, all that was needed was a field showing calculated total bonus for xp/freexp etc and people could have same clarity about total numbers but instead we get this, just another “feature” nobody in playerbase seems to have asked for, so if no players asked for it obviously somebody from WG did and knowing them as greedy profit focused **** they are we can all safely assume we are getting shafted somewhere down the road and soon at that… A fair thing would be to offer permaflage refunds for full gold price (at least for those bought with gold) at least one patch before putting the new system in so people can have thr gold and decide which part of what if any they want to use in the future and it wouldnt actually cost them anything as they are basically only giving back an in game currency but it seems even this is 2 much to expect from them

@OP So you freexp past T9 straight to T10 and buy a permaflage there that WG can later remove

Lets not forget removing permaflages without compensation of any kind

Exactly Btw @VedranSeaWolf359 a casual match this morning just so you dont think I am blowing gas...

Dude really... Ok lets see... Sub while submerged can target any surface ship that is spotted by anyone, can spot any surface ship and can target lock the weapons on it, she can even blind-ping a target to lock on weapons when target is NOT spotted, torpedoes are extremely fast, sub is also extremely fast to a level most ships cant hope to catch up to her if she is running even if they can see her which in itself is doubtful Surface ship in the meanwhile can NOT detect sub except by means of hydro which not all ships have and only at a very limited range, much shorter range then sub can spot and attack them in return, on max depth she is completely untraceable for any surface ship by any means... Furthermore while sub is using her homing weapons you get a vague location that might or might not correspond to the subs actual position by several kilometers, like the previous situation where you could at least judge the actual direction and MAYBE distance (since ping could in fact be spawning closer in your sight then sub) was still not safe enough for the subs so they added complete randomization in surface ship vs sub interaction, in the meanwhile the test of adding some RNG to the sub torps was dropped after one round of PTS like a hot potato... If submerged sub is using unguided weapons or doesnt ping for most ships/players there is absolutely NO way to track her or hunt for her and except for randomly dropping depth charges hoping to hit something you have nothing to try... Even against the trice damned CVs we have better counterplay available as the AA at least shoots at the planes when they are in range and continous AA hits them no matter what for whatever effect it has... But sure call me biased against subs, whatever m8

I have

Dude Conde can quite comfortably rack up 150k damage in a Random, not that you cant do that in a T10 but still… Also she can hardly be called slow or poorly manouverable, she is basically old Henry in that regard, one of if not the best speed juking CA and burst allows you to set fires to stuff reliably in a single attack and then go dark while they burn off…

Dude subs if they were made a tad more historical they wouldnt be a problem at all… With that I mean - making them slower under water then on surface (except for maybe couple of very highest tiered ones that might have submerged optimised designs) not going ludicrous speeds that were unreachable for any non nuclear wessel (heck even most of those cant hope to reach such speeds like we have in some wows high tier ones) can only fire reliably from surface or periscope depth, have very limited view range from the latter and no self guided weapons that go even more ludicrous speeds in a game where nothing else has them… I mean ok wg wants to push cold war tech into subs with guided torps in T10/11? Fine give us same as asw on surface ships as well as other cold war tech such as permanent sonar detection, decoys, etc… The simple fact is - they dont want a balanced fight, what they want is people playing subs so they can sell them, no matter how much they f-up the gameplay for everybody else and that sure as f aint either forsight or good game design

Strange works ok on my safari? At least the button part

Well technically the Top Grade Gunner (I think thats what its called) has 10% sec reload… I know, I know

Point here is simple WG is taking something we purchased away and replacing it with something else, car analogy however st**pid would be I buy a Merc with Zone aircon, satnav with wirld coverage and leather interior and at the 2 anual service the dealer rips out the said things replacing them with normal aircon, satnav that only covers my country and vinil interior and then claims “is fine m8 you had 2 years time to use it”

Of I so look forward to the squeeling when the actual numbers become obvious, after they roll out the robbery of the decade without an outcry it will be 2 late to ask for anything...

So if the new system is so beneficial to players why not offer us the option to refund the permaflages? I dont want to experience the benefits of the new system, I want the gold they took for the features of the product they are now REMOVING from their product... Let me f myself up then WG why protect me from myself hm?

All of them? They can spin it however they want but as an integral entity the prrmaflages people bought will no longer be awailable, there is also no “technical reason” for not offering refund as it was awalabke upon the CV rework release ergo framework exists, WG just doesnt want to, hence its quite clear all this econo rework buisness is not going to be for user benefit nor is the reason for it to tighten T10 as such couse that would be accomplished by offering refund that is basically only store credit anyway (dozbloons) still they are not willing to do even that… its clear sombody calculated this way fleecing is better and hay presto instantly implemented

So since there are shall we say "creative interpretations" of what peoples votes mean that are going on in some of the other polls lets make it simple... Do you want subs fully integrated into WOWS in their current form or not? Yes that includes Randoms, Ranked, CB, Ops etc Simple Yes or No Comments are welcome but anybody with yes but... (insert any condition) should prob vote No as WG does not seem to see past the word yes in these things So again full integration as they are Yes or No Simple

Doubloon refunds

Only thing I want to know here is when they are offering refunds on permaflages they are removing, nothing else

I dont use PT on pretty much anything, I think RN CLs are only ships i put it on just couse i have spare points and nothing else to take...

Same here but after game restart it connected normally

@OP Cmon bro, you know how it goes its the "internally assigned value"

So WG where is the refund camo option? You do realise you are literally taking away items we purchased in game?

Working as intended I d say…

They cant bother with such trivia m8, 2 busy stuffing subs and rerolling anime and frp franchise colabs… Its claear they chucked the historic theme out the window a while back and what little is put in has to be bundeled up as much as possible to minmax the profit curve…