bEtHeNs

I am liking it so far. First day, was a disaster, but then I got its point. Most remarkable things are the bonuses of the camos, three of them. Two give you 100% extra FXP and the other one, the one with the cat, 50% more of captain XP. This last one is very useful to rise your captains to the 21st level. For this there is also a camo for the Mushashi, so you can play DD and then BB if you get tired of one of them. I play mostly the second hull, the one with Akizuki guns, but as it has one turret less I try to avoid fight against others DD's. I use it to spot due to the excellent concealment, so cruisers can detroy the enemy DD'S and then as a defensive DD. I mean, I can make two or three ships stop their charge while I torp them and set them on fire making a lot of damage and xp. Also this because of the short range of the guns, 9.4 km while Akizuki has 12.5, so a difference of 3 km, so you need to watch out more the distances with the enemy ships.

So you think that changing cv word by bb dd or ca cc wont change the thing. If a novice bb player ... if he looses the balance of the game will drop to a side. It is commonly seen in the game. The case is that cv gameplay is actually removed from the game, what we have now is plane squadron game. That is why I do not play them and I do not like when a squadron players focuses on me with no response, it is like an unfinished game because I mentally wait for the fitgtherst to come to help but they never come.

I liked the cvs back then, now I do not play the planes game. The are boring, op, and have no counter as they had with rts fighters which I found enjoyable. I remember to have destroyed several squadrons of a clan mate, in enemy position, with just an attack of my fighters, but this was not the usual thing so you had to keep the balanced positioning of your planes in all the map, it was so interesting and challenging. Not anymore. CVS had to fight each other, now most of them do their busines seaking for damage and cannot counter the other enemy cv so the surface ships are undefended. Most alarming message when the release of the rework to me was that they said that missing cvs will reapear as auxiliary cvs, to do things like sending hydroplanes to capture, setting smoke screens, repairng.... But in all that scheme there was not mention to air superiority game which is what cv do in first place.

As actually happens to other classes. If you have no dds in a zone of the battle the enemy is in advantage. I do not get the point why should a whole class should turn into a different game just because of these things happening in battles. If your bb destroys the enemy bb in your flank the enemy cuirsers will have a bad time triying to rebalance the situation, but none thinks the bbs need a rework because of this. And I mean a rework where the gameplay is completely different, as if it was a different game, not just balancing stats.

Back then your cv could send fighters just to remove the enemy planes, now it will happen if you are on his planes way so he can drop stationary fighter squadron wich is not very usefull, so now you are more perma spotted really than before. This is one of the big problems now, the cv game can be independent of the enemy cv game, so they can be fighting the enemy fleet in different areas of the map not disturbing each other. This was not the case before. In fact it was one of the greatest things of rts cvs to fight the other cv and help your fleet.

There are bad people playing cvs back then and now. But the same can be said about other ships classes, and they are not going to rework dds so you become a human torp or a turret crew member as they did with the cvs in relation to planes.

I liked the rts concept, flet like a commander of a cv, now it is playing planes. I had kaga and enterprise, I do not use them any more.

I am a Spanish speaker, or however it is said in English. Spanish is not supported in this forum, survey in English or German. Lets see what the people speaking this languages have to say.

Stats are relative to the group you are playing within. If you change the group your stats change. For better or worse. If your friends have different level you cannot play with them either.

Subs and guided torps will come to show us all the right path to wherever.

The thing is that if you play against the best players all of them will see their stats reduced so they will be taken to lower stats groups. If some people can actually have great stats is because they play against worse players.

The question is the rework which leads to a comparition with the previous system, and the realism behind each system. The rework made not unlimited but all the time replenishable amount of planes, it affects the game results. Someone said that if we go back to previous system of limited planes they would like to see limited amunition for the ships. Isn't it? I can't remember ships stop firing because they had run out of shells, did that ever happen?

Yes it matters, because in prerework the timing of the looses was relevant. If you managed to kill the other cv planes early then it was a won match. Now this is not happening. Comparing ammunition with planes in a search of justice betwen classes of ship is a random game.

Remove the islands, all maps are ocean. In the dawn, in the midday, in the afternoon, and in the night. Sunny, raining, snowing, foggy. Give the secondaries the range and acuracy correct, and bring back old cvs. Actual missions make them pvp. Vote bEtHeNs for President.

Good, good.

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If secondaries had the same range and acuracy as the primary guns of same caliber bbs would be more confident. Balance reasons make the secondaries be maned by seriusly alcoholic gunners.

I cuoted your screenshots before because they show how a bb makes twelve times more plane kills than a cv, which is normal in this rework. Balance is a word that starts wit b an ends in e, from then on it has been used for anything. I guess it means "fun" now in the games. If it is funny then it is balanced although if you have to explain the mechanichs and results to a new comer you will find yourself saying "well eerrr ...yes, it is like that" So when they are testing submarines balance they are testing the fun of the things you do in the pc while first decades of XX century ship 3D models move arround in your screen. Edited: twelve for thirty

But for sure there was some kind of fighters defence of the fleet in it. Before rework, you as cv commander would decide if defend the fleet, defend your attack planes, or spot. Anything else?

This is the best thing they have implemented since….. Fill the gap in English with your own words.

Tools of defence of the fleet. So being this a tactical game it would make sense the kind of game we had with the fighters in prerework era. Having a cv in your fleet unable to defend you from the enemy cv is weird.

So if you do not speak English or whatever it is spoken in the chat?

They do not know, but it is as if you were not English speaker, so you can communicate by b keys and f1 to f12 keys.

This for example. I don't know how this rework passed a testing for balance or balans. Well, yes I know somehow the cause indirectly, they said they were going to create a second line of auxiliary cvs, so they throw smoke, take capture zones, and even heal ships. Kind of excess of fantasy. Not knowing the limits of storm of ideas.

So it is a subrealistic game based in some dream about battleships. In where the cvs do not send figthers or if they do they kill less planes than bbs for example.