BruceRKF

Absolutely not a fan of that decision. I was so looking forward to Italian cruisers, but my excitement is gone now completely.

Do we know whether the Italian cruiser will get those new shells instead of HE plus AP or only the new type? The latter would be awful.

Finally some Italians, but boy do they look gimmicky. I was rather hoping they would save the SAP shells for the BBs and just give us some normal-ish cruisers. And then creeping smoke, but no other consumables? Seriously? Leave the smoke to the DDs! Also: if Zara has to be tier VII, why does she need torpedo launchers? Get rid of those, they hurt my aesthetic eye and she should be strong enough for tier VII without any add-ons, as she cold have been perfectly servicable at tier VIII with some soft-stat buffs. My fears about the late introduction of the Italians seem to come true: new line needs new gimmick and since WG has done everything reasonable already and then everything less reasonable as well, we are down to this. Seriously disapponted right now. The Italian cruisers will have to live their life as port decorations, if this goes through. Those torpedo tubes though...

My reading ability might be compromised, but if it is not, I believe this thread was supposed to be about the upcoming German tier 9 large cruiser/battlecruiser Siegfried. I met one two days ago and found the guns to be very accurate and her hull quite tanky against below-BB gun calibre (was in Yoshino and could not citadel her broadside at 16 km in three salvos; might have been just bad rng of course). I kind of like the prospect of her for now, especially since she is gorgeous, although I would have preferred her with 150 and 105 mm secondaries, simply because they look better ;)

I would go for super intendent (Warspite gets an improved heal) and concelament expert. For modules either main battery or auxiliary mod (either works, since you have PM already). Her secondaries are not bad, but ultimately not worth speccing into. Dispersion module is best for the third slot, since the guns are Warspite's absolute biggest strength. Warspite has hard hitting and accurate guns and a fantastic turning radius, but is slow and a bit squishy, as well as having not much range. Ideally, you want to stay at medium range where you can fire accurate volleys and then slip back into concealment, as well as wiggle that booty with her handling. After that, it's just practice your gunnery (also with spotter plane, since she actually can use the extended range at times) and try to stay angled after shooting and she will reward you nicely! This is of course just my opinion, but I've had her for a while and she works rather well this way. Have fun!

I think that the same gun (calibre) should have the same effectiveness at any tier, so having different pen values for lower and higher tier light cruisers is not the way to go imo. The problem with IFHE right now is that you get consistent high damage output without a significant enough reduction in fire chance. One "simple" solution could be to lower the alpha damage of each shell with IFHE along with a bigger nerf to fire chance. So that ideally you would get roughly the same damage numbers from low pen, higher alpha, more fires (no IFHE) as from high pen, lower alpha, fewer fires. As in an actual trade-off. The fact that 100/102/105 and 113 mm guns could pen 19 mm DD plating/BB superstructure however would be a most welcome change. I just don't like the idea of treting the "same" guns at different tiers differently, since one of the nice aspcets of WoWs ist that you can do damage as a low tier ship to +2 tiers. The proposed change would undermine that.

As long as there are ANY combat buffs in, I am out, simple as that.

I believe there are plenty of alternatives to performance boosts which completely undermine balance: Just three I could think of right now: - interesting game modes/events/missions for low and mid tier ships - unique camos/flags for playing ships a specific amount of battles - make silver ships "premium"-like, as in able to take any captain and having better credit and xp income

Improvement to MM is nice. Don't care much about premium consumables for free since I have not had trouble with credits for quite some time, but it could help new players, so why not. However, I still can't get my head around how anyone can think this Training Centre is a good idea. Someone with enough time gets a better version of the exact same ship than someone who cannot play the game for hours a day. Every single thought connected to balance and fairness is just screaming in pain (again; after already having taken large doses of pain-killers over some of the past updates). Sure, let people with too much time regrind lines, but please not for performance boosts! Are there really no other rewards that might be worthwhile???

Spending time looking for other games to play. There will be a lot of free time previously associated with WoWs if the training center goes through...

This. Giving incentives to play lower tier ships (and even regrind a line) is fine if you don't get a straight up better ship than someone who does not have the time to regrind whole lines.

BTW: Can't wait for what other CCs have to say about it. Looking especially forward to Jingles!

Yeah, I was just writing something in the BIG news thread when it disappeared. Haven't changed my opinion about the training center since: No.

Premium consumables as standard - why not Matchmaking - good change Training Center - no

Veteran players can regrind lines and get special upgrades for ships. So, someone who just got to the tier 10 has a worse ship than someone who has had the time to regrind the line. It is not about op ships only driven by experienced or unicum players or whatnot, the very SAME ship with these regrind upgrades is straight up better than the one only grinded once. As iChase puts it: This system just gives the veterans a bigger club. Good thing: I can finally spend the time I have been spending for WoWs the last three and a half years for something else!

I'd love to get the Benham, but I can't even be bothered to play that whatever-it's-called battle royale mode at all. I probably wouldn't have enough time anyway, but it's nice not having to worry about a daily dose of stupid grinding. I reckon Benham will be available by some other means at some point (hopefully something else then real money) and I might think about getting her then, but this grind is just not worth it for me, no matter how good the ship is.

I'd love a Northapmton as a t6 premium as well. However, they were not the only CAs with torpedoes. Pensacolas also had them in their original configuration. They just got removed at some point before WW2. I hope you are not mad at me for pointing this out ;)

I really hope they will redo all of the "ancient" models one by one soon-ish, so all the ships fit together better. It's just a bit sad to see the newer ships all shiny and detailed and the older ones looking "shabby" in comparison. Also, they could correct some of the errors they made on the models, like Kongo is actually Hiei or Atago is actually Takao iirc ( and there are more like this).

"Let's make Jingles crap again!" If WG really took to heart that the first iteration of Jingles' voice lines just won't do, then that's a pleasant surprise. I don't need any captain skills, just want all the hilarity I can get.

Thanks for the answers, guys. It really seems that there are a lot of duplicates to go before finishing the collection. I guess I'll start the Soviet Collection as well as soon as I can and see where it goes. Maybe tomorrow I'll get some more girls before that.

No, not today, couldn't play everyday (or even log in). Have to wait till Tuesday. I know, but 11 in a row with 12 slots "open"... I hate probability calculations at the best of days. Let's just say it's bad RNG XD

Interesting. So, it seems I'm not the only one to get a lot of duplicates. Haven't even started the Russian collection yet, gonna wait for the Container via the daily drop. I might switch to it then if it goes on like this. Wasn't there a time when you could get items for two collections simultaneously? Can't remember which ones and if I'm right at all. might just misremeber.

Thanks for the heads-up. So, basically they could make her somewhat unique by making her quite tanky at tier 8 (even more than the Germans), but the trade-off being a relatively low RoF and weak HE (as well as being not particularly fast)? I think I would prefer that to her being a nothing-special-at-all tier 7 as well.

For me, rank 10 is also ranking out. 9 battles starting from rank 18 (couldn't be bothered with playing arms race last season). Lost the first, then won the rest. 4 CV games, but CVs were not really an issue. We either had the better CV player or a big blob for AA and better shooting than the enemy team. Ships played: Conqueror (loss), Moskva, Gearing, République, Z-52, Montana, Hindenburg, Zao, Des Moines (in that order). Just for variety. So, ranked season over in one day, which is nice. Edit: WG, stop giving out t10 rentals!

Pretty lucky with that as well, e.g. enemy had rental Shima, we had rental Montana. Both were useless, but since the Shima was their only DD and I was in a Z-52 Still, the idea to give out rental t10s for one game played in a t8 is just plain stupid and I agree that they are by far worse than CVs. That's probably the plan though: Make everyone stop complaining about CVs by giving us something worse to complain about...