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Why is this just so difficult for people to understand? It is the ONLY SHIP in the game with this issue therefore, if ONE SINGLE SHIP can change the meta so that no-one can now go within 10.8km of a Bismarck even if it's not shooting at you, it means those secondaries are Over Powered - am I wrong? Do you think that are under powered? I don't understand how you can't see that they are OP right now. So again, for the 4th time, no-one is saying that they should be changed, I and many other people are only saying that they are OP and should be respected.

Too OP to Play - "TOTP" Even at higher tiers 8+ it's still 5 BB, 1-2 CA, 4-5 DD and maybe a CV so the CA's must be OP throughout the whole game - who knew!!!! I'm out in my Fubuki now - 75% - WR 1300-1500XP every game as a minimum while I'm using her as a gunboat/spotting. The torps, as good as they maybe, just aren't hitting enough with better T8+ players and their WASD hax.

One things I have noticed is that there's more BB hatred for DD's now as, with only 1-2 CA's on each side (5 BB's, 4-5 DD's), they can't take any DD's out because they're fighting BB's to stay alive, so the Torp soup is incredible and the BB's are raging in chat about the lack of protection. One game I just had was 3 Fubuki (inc me), a Benson and a Shimakazi on Shatter and the salt was unreal. We held A with 3 DD's just torp spamming while the Benson took B and the Shimi took C and the game was over in under 8 minutes and even though it was a win it wasn't a good game.

LOL - You can always angle and kite against one or maybe even two BB's but when it's 3-4-5 BB's shooting at you - well kiss your citadels goodbye .......and before anyone suggests anything about "don't be the target" - In the games I've played BB's are primarily shooting at Cruisers even if they're at 16+km and there's a nice juicy BB 10km away and broadside.

No, you are missing point, by quite a way too. 2 sets of secondaries alone took 30k of my health when I was 8-10km+ away yet you don't believe that performance is OP? As no other ship in the entire game can do anything like that, not even close, then the Bismarck's secondaries must be OP. Additionally, it's not "whining" it's simply making a point when something, like the Gremy DD fro example, is so OP that it changes the games balance i.e. it's Over Powered (it's much better than everything else). Now I'm not asking for them to be nerfed, I'm just stating the "fact" that they are OP and I would guess that, within 6 months, they will be nerfed by WG.

Both the Live and PT servers are suffering from massive BB usage changing the games meta. It is now common for most battles to be 5-6 BB's, 2-3 CA and 3-5 DD's and it's getting worse as the CA players are now deserting their CA's in large numbers meaning BB's and DD's have no anti-DD CA support and the the BB's have no anti-air help. First WG wrecked the IJN DD line because BB players cried about torpedoes, then they wrecked the CV lines, because BB players cried about airstrikes, then they wrecked the whole DD line by giving CA's radar, because BB players cried about torpedoes AGAIN, now they are currently wrecking the CA line by making most matches BB-fests. All those massive nerfs to anything "anti-BB" has happened in the last 6 months. Once the RN cruiser line comes out with their smoke and HE spam my guess will be WG nerf fire chance/damage within 6 months, because BB players cried about it. The best thing for me previously was that I'm an all-rounder with BB/CA/DD's in every line so if one line took a nerf I could always shift over but I've now run out of lines which haven't been nerfed other than BB's which are boring to me.

Nope, just nope. Yes it's got good guns but even at 16.5km range you are within range of virtually every BB at T5-6 and the current BB heavy Meta means that the 1-2 cruisers per match get singled out even when there are broadside BB's much closer to shoot at and all it takes is 1 single salvo and there goes 3/4 of your health - at 16km! It's happened to me so many times it's unreal. I think it's due to the BB's shells becoming "plunging" at long range (so angling does nothing) and the Kirov has absolutely zero deck armour vs a BB shell. I've already got the T9 and TX Russian ships, they were my favourite line to grind through but both are pretty much sat in port due to repair costs while I grind some credits out to play them.

Well I've ditched the Russian line for the time being, which massive sucks the fun out of the game for me, and swapped to T8 DD's to get my last few Fubuki games before they kill her with a ridiculous T6 nerf which absolutely no-one had asked for.

Well done on not reading my post properly (or at all). I'll say it slower for you - The secondaries on two Bismarck's took 3/4 of my health in a T8 cruiser. Regardless of pointless "L2P" comments from the obvious experts who have never once made any mistakes EVER, mistakes actually happen in real life. However for only 2 sets of secondary guns to take such a large amount of health (28k) means that they are, as everyone is saying, a bit OP to say the least.

I'm of exactly the same mind. My WR has dropped from 57% recently to 43%, now, have I personally got massively worse all of a sudden - no, it's the amount of silly players which have suddenly appeared with the release of the German BB line. However if you even so much as question "bad teams" on the forum you get shouted down with L2P pretty much or "bad teams don't exist, its you" etc which is just rubbish.

I just got my Kutuzov sandwiched between 2 secondary build Bismarks - almost 3/4 of my health went before I could get any distance from them. IMHO those secondarys are far too OP as they stand at 10+km range - it was like being caught between 2 Atlanta's spitting fire and hatred at me.

I've had to give up on the Russian cruisers, only the Cleveland, out of all my CA's, has the armour to withstand the long range shelling from BB's and my DE skilled captain just got a Confederate out of it , which was nice! Mods - Sorry about the "swearing" - this game gets me angry enough to smash things up at times (2x keyboards so far).

[edited] A Cruiser CAN NOT SURVIVE WHILST TRYING TO FIGHT at T5-6 in this BB heavy Meta. If I shoot at anyone, I'm spotted and I die within 2-3 salvoes. To survive I can only hide like a girl behind an island, doing zero damage, or not fire my guns, both of which are a waste of my time. I'm sodding sick and tired to my back [edited] teeth of taking a Kirov/Molotov out only to die with minutes of firing for the first time because now matter what all the forum "experts" say, with 5+ BB's against you, you will ALWAYS - I say again ALWAYS be a target for a BB somewhere on the map with their 20km range over a closer BB target. Well I've had enough WG. You have spoiled my enjoyment of the game so much that you're not getting a single penny of my money ever again, and I'd spent a lot previously as I enjoyed the game so much, and I've actively considering quitting the game. Why play something when I just get angry and don't have any fun WG, why? /salty rant over.

Hi all, I had a game recently where the enemy team had a T5 DD divisioned with a T6 DD which got dragged into a T8 match. I thought WG had stopped "fail" divisions by making it +1 meaning the T6 shouldn't have been in the T8 match i.e. a T7 can bring a T6 (+1 for the division and still +2 for the tier) but a T6 shouldn't be able to bring a T5 into a T8 as it's a +3 gap? Have I got this wrong or has something changed again?

Update 02 - Went out in the Cleveland with DE - Burned everything, WR is still awful for the weekend (from 56% recent to 43%) and now it's World of BB/DD - If you're a cruiser just go home, pack your bags and never step foot in the game again. ElrogGA - How in the living hell do you manage such a high win rate?

As an update - On one of the rarest of matches (3 BB's per team) I managed to corner a single BB with only a DD as his support in my Kirov and burnt the BB down from full whilst sinking the DD (70k+ damage match) so I'm more than happy 1 on 1 but facing 2-3 BB's, especially with potato teams (see my weekend WR in my Sig plummet) is a bit much for my paper armour. I might try my Cleveland for a bit as that has stronger armour compared to the Kirov. I also swapped my two 15 point captains out of my T9-TX Donskoi and Moskva into the Kirov & Molotov as the repair costs were silly (36k credit loss on a win with 155k damage, 1800xp and 4th in team!) and I'm hoping that DE + CE will help out!.

Well I swapped sides to BB's for a few games - Did 140K+ damage in my Nagato, was utterly bored the whole match. It felt like sex, 1 second of excitement as you fired the big guns then a long wait for a reload

OP amended to say what tiers I'm playing (mainly T5-6 - my TX Moskva is staying in port til the repair costs are not retarded). Again, just to clarify, no-one is asking for tips/tactics, we know already so you're wasting you're valuable time re-telling everyone for the 1000th time. When there is 6 BB's facing you no matter what you do, what island you meekly hide behind, you will be giving "someone" a shot at you.

When I first started it was IJN DD's after watching Baron Von Gamez & Phly on youtube with all the "Torpedus" lulz but by the time I'd got to the Fubuki I was sick of the "torp - wait 2 mins - torp - wait 2 mins" etc and swapped to BB's which I hated until T6 with the NM & Fuso which are great. However once I got sick of the "fire - wait 30 sec - fire - wait 30 sec - DISPERRRRRSION" I swapped to Cruiser which I loved at T3 (Kolberg, Bog and Louis) then absolutely hated at T4-5 until I found the Kirov which matches my play style perfectly and I've shot up the SN cruiser line to the TX Moskva and loved them all. I'm currently hating both the BB meta going on with the new German line causing the MM to spit out silly matches, and the protected T4 MM causing my beloved Kirov to face T7 ships almost constantly, which isn't fun.

Yeah it just my understanding was off. I thought MM took into account all the ships in a division, rather than just the highest tier ship.

Wow, the point of this thread has missed you completely hasn't it. There is obviously no point ever asking questions when your man child reaction is to auto default to "waawaa its a whine thread waawaa". If you bothered that single brain cell of yours to actually read (shocking I know) you'd have seen I was a T8 so I was more than happy to kill a lowly T5 on the enemy team, but then you didn't bother to read it did you, shame. Because they are a T8 ship in a TX game, which is what WG "designed" the current MM around, not using a "get around" to bring T7's in to a TX game. Regardless of an individual ships abilities (IJN DD in case) the MM is broken when divisioning allows a ship to play outside of its alloted tiering system

Fair enough, I'm obviously wrong and a 3 tier difference is perfectly fine for everyone. In fact, seen as everyone is happy lets make all MM +3, seen as everyone is clearly very happy for it to happen, shall we? For me, anything out of standard MM tier levels is a Fail Division, whether it's a T3 in a TX match or a T5 in a T8 - if it can't happen "normally" then it's wrong. I can't believe people are suggesting that bringing a Phoenix or Svetlana into a T7 game "isn't" a fail, WOW!

No, the idea was to stop people being able to play in tiers which they wouldn't normally be able to due to the +2 MM, so a T1 can't be in a TX match and a T5 can't be in a T8 yet apparently it can in a division, so WG failed. My personal preference means nothing, it's the way WG said they'd stop something considered a negative (too low a tier ship in a higher tier game) but they haven't. It's really not that hard to understand TBH.

Thanks for the info - I thought it was the end of divisons outside of tier limits (i.e. no T5 in a T8 game) but it seems WG can't even get that right.

It was on the public test so I'm guessing it was a low tier Seal who jumped into the Yamato as soon as he could but had no idea about T8+ gameplay. I just kited around with my trigger held down Atlanta style while he shot at the two BB's behind me (who were shooting at a different BB)