Venom_Too

I know what you mean, but you don't understand me. So let me try to explain. You had bevor Patch an Average of 52k for everyone. The Best Player had Nearly an Average from 100k Now you have 40k to an average from the Best of 70k .. So Yes the Overall Damage maybe Sunk but thats 2 Topr hits max ? Don't know to explain it better..

As you can clearly See in the Post from ColonelPete They did before the Patch More Damage then they do now. Which was said from The Begin of the discussion. Which is Account to that an Average Player had not that much Risk but an High Reward which you can see in this Statistic. Which also is seeable in the Survivabilty which was the Best of the DD before Patch. Thx to Colonel Pete for that. And sry for that i went with the Lowest Survive of an Random Post. So and to you I'm far away from Hate, i just say the Nerf was OK cause simply to the Fact you had no real Risk for the Reward in an Shima Cap.

They Only Thing were i was wrong was the Survivabilty cause that was something i didn't look up, and it wasn't me that said the Shima had the lowest Surv. I never said that and its not the BB itself its the Player! Edit: And Yes it pisses me also Off I never said there is no Risk in Capping, yes there is and always will be some Kind of Risk. Especially if you go Full speed incl. Speed Boost into the Cap without waiting for Back UP.

Yep that is the Reason why they also should be adjusted.. Which is totaly not the Failure of the Average Shima Bob which just yoloed into the Cap Zone.. Excuse me.. EDIT: Average IJN DD BoB

You had no Risk before nerf but Huge Reward... @Icto i just try to explain why the Nerf was OK... Maybe its not that good written by me.. But with the Help of you all we got there.. Basicly You have Today HIGH risk with High Reward (or No Reward which i don't think so) Before that .. you had No Risk.. and High Reward..

And with 12 km like before.. You get never seen.. and could have done as you liked.. so that was fair?

its an diffrence between 6 and 8 km yes With 6 your pretty much screwed.. with 8 not so much

I would only be an Option if you couldn't do your Job as DD... As Stealthy DD to be exact... Thank YOU ... THIS is the Main Problem of the IJN DD... Go for BB ... don't use your Pro's... And is often seen... as mentionend before...

If its 1on1 yes

I'm Pretty Sure even i would take this an Excuse and would now do the Run for the T10 Shima.. I won't change my Optinion..

That is also something i accept.. and i agree to that.. But the Whole Scheme of Japs were and is now more .. High Risk High Reward.. And for the +6 km.. With that Buffer you had enough Space to work in an Distance: were you were a) Radar Immune cause they dont went that far at this time and b) also no Flyer of an Ship wents this far. to C) an CV Fighter.. that is pretty much the Problem of ALL DD's EDIT: And how would an Enemy DD find you if you are faster and stealthier then him... If you want you won't be found .. Same as Today

Which also would Fit in my Example of the 1000 Players, pretty good.

So basicly i was not wrong with my arguments.. Cause now comes the Important Question what have you played.. Always works.. cause now it will come HOW do you wanna Know that if you not played it..

I never said i did.. Its only normal to go closer.. as i mentioned.. so Basicly you don't like the Fact that you can't torp at an +6km Safe Distance were no Chance of seeing you is.. and a Pretty High Chance to Hit the target cause of the Sneaky Torps.. Mhmmkay.. Edit: Pretty much i can put you also in...

Which was never the Case... before the Nerf.. that there were 3+ more Shimas in One game on Each side.. You're Right

K i buy that.. So waht is the Average of the Shimakaze.. ? That what the Stats say.. or is it a Fixed Point ? And How do you depend that on.. on an Gearing and a KEbab.. which are clearly diffrent.. and not comparable.. Except maybe the Torps of the Gearing...

you also forget.. now that you go 4 km nearer and more Speed.. its more likely that you don't miss the Target.

Even you do it only if you see them.. You still got hit by one or 2 .. but you don't eat the whole salvo.. That is the Big Diffrence...

So you have the 8 km ... 76 Knots without the Skill.. on the Shima.. You dropp them.. cause your Detection allows it.. They Pop up at 1.9 km... Have you every tried to dodge an Rus CA/DD Torp Salvo with 70 knots... in Mid - Lower Tier. Its nearly impossible.. especially that the Turnradius of all ships from t8+ have about 200meter more than the low bb..

So Basicly you get pissed off.. that the BB's got more Experienced and know how to play against DD ?... and cause of the Nerf its more often.. I c... and i understand.. But serious.. you liked the Torpedo Meta before ?.... just btw.. Where even Skilled Captains had their problems to Avoid the Torpedo Wall..

Thats also Pretty easy to answer.. as you have also could have read in my post before.. They Don't stopped it all... You have Way to many Factors of.. the Whole.. But i will try to explain it, again.. First of all you have just say 1000 Players... from the 1000 Players you got 5% they are really good... So... you have 950 Players left who are.. meh.. or Average... from this you can easly take another 150 Players... were you can say they know the have guns... even 5k damage Guns is 5 more in Average... from the 800 Bobs left.. they only go max Range Torps the nerfed ones.. So you got basicly you drop in your Statistic.. Which is still no Science... Thats just an Example.. I hope.. easy enough to understand.

So Basicly it can't sink them since Tier VI ?

Well, than adjust them .. and soon they are better then them as it should be... But wait... Then that crying starts again... I see an Scheme... you too ?

Why would i compare it to any other Ship? Its an DD which Main Focus are Torpedo.. its an One Trick Pony... It comparing to an Gunboat or even an Cruiser.. seems a bit out of place... But if you wanna compare them.. OK

Not Fair.. wanna have it so bad...