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DD players send massive complaints regarding CV rework. I see the simple solution to this problem - WG may introduce escort destroyers - specific kind of destroyers with strong artillery, AA but weak torpedo armanent. They could be equipped with Defensive AA Fire consumable and smoke lasting a little bit longer than regular. They should have great concealment values due to their small size. Their main role would be to support their allies and provide air defense. Their role would be to co-operate with DDs at recon and help other ships repel air raids. The most known examples of this kind of destroyers were the British https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunt-class_destroyer s. Tiny and manueverable, they were armed with much AA guns and they had little or even no torpedo tubes. The newer escort destroyers had dual-purpose main guns. Please find below a Hunt-III class destroyer HMS Catterick scheme The other known example of escort destroyer was the ORP Piorun, a ship known mostly by her artillery duel with Bismarck: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORP_Piorun_(G65) As you can see, the main difference between Piorun and other N-class destroyers (like Gadjah Mada) is that one of her torpedo launchers was replaced by AA guns. Due to the above, Piorun had increased air defense abilities, but she had only 5x1 torpedo tubes (GM has 5x2). I see Piorun as a nice propsal for Tier 7 premium ship. Her specification is very close to Haida. If the ship is successful - the more escort destroyers could be introduced. By the way, Polish destroyers during WW2 were mostly escort destroyers or were rebulit into air defense ships - it is possible to introduce the entire line of AA destroyers: Tier 3 - ORP Krakowiak, a tiny (just 1000 tons) Hunt-II class destroyer. Strong guns, nice AA, no torpedoes, extraordinary maneuverability will make the gameplay of this DD quite unique. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORP_Kujawiak_(L72) Tier 4 - ORP Wicher, a Wicher-class destroyer. Wicher-class destroyers were a deep modification of French Bourrasque-class, ordered by Polish Navy in the middle of 20s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORP_Wicher_(1928) Tier 5 - ORP Burza (hull B would be her reconstruction made by 1942, her armanent was vastly chagned to make her an escort destroyer, one of two 3x torpedo launchers was removed, the AA was improved by adding 4x40 mm pom-pom) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORP_Burza Tier 6 - ORP Garland, a G-class escort destroyer operated by Polish Navy in WW2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Garland_(H37)#ORP_Garland,_1940–1946 Tier 7 - ORP Grom (hull B would be a reconstruction of Grom-class destroyer ORP Błyskawica made by 1941, her armanent was chagned to make her more effective in an escort destroyer role, one of two 3x torpedo launchers was removed, the AA was improved by adding 4x40 mm pom-pom and the maximum speed was increased to 42 knots) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grom-class_destroyer Tier 8 - ORP Huragan, a deeply modified Grom-class destroyer (referred in some sources as "Improved Grom" class) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grom-class_destroyer_(1939) (T9 and T10 had to be classic DDs but with strong AA - ORP Wicher II and ORP Warszawa). None of them were paper ships, they were all - excluding Huragan which construction was not finished due to WW2 outbreak - operational and saw combat. Of course it's just a free proposition - feel free to express your opinions and present your propositions.

I love playing CVs at the moment, rework was a great idea, thanks WG!

Arty in WoT before rework was able to one-shot you from nowhere, now it can make entire HT gameplay impossible due to constant stun, now WG have a FANTASTIC idea to give arty back the ability to one-shot tanks with AP. Of course arty has the accuracy comparable to Tomahawk missile. You cannot compare it to CV in WoWs.

W sumie jest, po wykastrowaniu z AA - https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:W._Virginia_1941

ekhm https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Scenarios#Operation:_Aegis

heh I was thinking too much about BBs - I mentioned BBs twice Still, I've seen many battles won almost solely by DDs, even I did it once - despite my total lack of skill in playing DDs.

- just like skilled BB players - just like skilled CA players - just like skilled BB players - just like any unicum player in any WG game >judging by kills >lel do you realize that they could just "finish" enemies which were severely damaged by other team members? do you realize that they could do a little damage but a decent amount of kills only due to CV ability to react quickly?

Yeah, except for their team.

I hope they will make you wait forever.

Potatoes play other classes as well. About "CV potential power" - it is obvious that the CV, having a possibility to react almost instantly to any threat visible on mini-map, will always have a huge impact on the battlefield when played correctly. It is also one of CV main purposes - to be the "rapid response unit", to finish enemies with little HP, to provide recon etc. It will always work like that, no matter of the CV user interface. CVs will ALWAYS annoy DD players by ruining their surprise attack plans. As well as DD players annoy BB players with their ability to deliver heavy torpedo punch undetected, as well as BB players will annoy CA players by sending them to port in one salvo, often in spite of CA angling and maneuvering.

...at ANY tier other than T8.

Because you say so? BB player would also cry like "buuuuu DD OP, I was sink by torpedo attack of invisible DD I could not even spot"

As an owner I would say yes. She is fully resistant to bad MM, hits hard any enemy - no matter how good armored he is. She terrorize enemy Tier 5-7 BBs. Her cons are a lack of manueverability and total lack of AA which results in horror while enemy CVs engage you. She has very strange accuracy RNG - sometimes she can citadel Hood from 17 kms, sometimes her salvo is going anywhere around target but without direct hits. She is very pleasant at randoms, fantastic for Operations, but I would not recommend it to co-op because she is too slow and when she reaches battlefield, most of bots are already pretending to be submarines, thanks to torpedo raids of our DDs.

As an owner I would say yes. She is fully resistant to bad MM, hits hard any enemy - no matter how good armored he is. She terrorize enemy Tier 5-7 BBs. Her cons are a lack of manueverability and total lack of AA which results in horror while enemy CVs engage you. She has very strange accuracy RNG - sometimes she can citadel Hood from 17 kms, sometimes her salvo is going anywhere around target but without direct hits. She is very pleasant at randoms, fantastic for Operations, but I would not recommend it to co-op because she is too slow and when she reaches battlefield, most of bots are already pretending to be submarines, thanks to torpedo raids of our DDs.

1. So what? Should BB players cry that they see DDs in every battle? 3. Because currently attacking CV by anything other than torpedo aircraft is suicide due to the power of fighters. They can shot down entire squadrons in seconds. As long as fighters are operational, attacking CV is a waste of time. 2. Nonsense 3. It will be a part of WoWs anytime, as long as brainless platoons and lemming teams. In the other hand, a good CV player can win the game for his team. They were protecting convoys from both air raids and submarine attacks. Luckily, there is no submarines in WoWs.

Many players prefer reworked CVs, like me. Crying DD players cannot decide alone how the game should look to satisfy only DD players.

WG announced that shooting planes will be rewarded better in future.

WG claims that every new line should have some special capabilities to make gameplay of every line at least a little bit different. Like a DD line specialised in air defence. May be Swedish if their ships were more suitable.

She had a bigger M-class friend ORP Orkan with DP guns, but I'm believed she is more suitable for Tier 8. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORP_Orkan_(G90)

made my day

Unicum butthurt, lol Are we on WoT forum?

Small ones, like Hunt-class - yes. But it is obvious that for example the ORP Piorun, the N-class DD made for air defense and equipped with more AA-guns than a typical N-class like Gadjah Mada, was more effective for air defense purposes. With a Defensive AA Fire consumable she could provide a nice AA support for "standard" destroyers. I think this it something that may be at least tried. If the introduction of AA-purposed destroyers would be not enough to solve the current problem, we all may continue search for the solutions.

DD players are such crybabies. Play Tier 4, on this tier CVs do small damage at one attack.

Dear WG, why GZ is not equipped with Ju-87 Stuka? It is a pity that GZ has some never-existing paper aircraft while the famous Stuka which sank countless Allied ships is absent. Okay, Ju-87 is a very slow aircraft for Tier 8, but it could be easily compensated with Ju-87 accuracy and aircraft number in squadron. With famous Ju-87 accuracy it could be a cruiser and destroyer hunter, making the GZ gameplay very interesting. And the feeling of Stuka diving with its famous horn would be DEFINITELY worth it. WG, give us Stuka!

Buy WV1941, a perfect ship for Operations. >inb4 replying to an ironic post