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I don't know If you could justify putting Renown at tier 7 of a British battlecruiser line. While Gneiseneau may have a similar number of 15" guns, It has about 50% more armour as well as a much heavier secondary battery including torpedoes. I can't see it being any higher than 6 and that's a stretch. The ONLY thing she would have going for her is speed. With only 6 15" guns and 9" of armour (and that after a refit, she originally only had 6") she'll be out classed by the other ships. Even Dunkerque's pushing it at 6, and she's as close as anything currently in the game to Renown.

It's looking like we won't see Albert on EU until the next patch. If they do that, they could well do what NA did and put it on the techtree as well as the premium shop. I hope that's the case since they've made us wait this long. Albert's a good ship and deserves to be around for a while.

Well, we'll see when people get their hands on them.

Just the center section of the hull. all superstructure, and both ends less than 12 mm (on many ships). Not just on dd's though same for most lower tier cruisers I checked, Phoenix, Omaha, St Louis, Tenryu, Yubari, Bogatyr. Most of the lower level cruisers are less than 12mm except for the few armored areas. So British guns will be overpenning a lot without HE (unless RNGesus loves you). On Clemson or Wickes (for example) you have to hit the hull aft of the forward superstructure and ahead of the aft port torpedo mount (or a gun shield) to hit 13mm, the rest is 10mm.

Good luck hitting the few areas that are 12mm and up on a dd.

-Changes to ammo– All ships except Emerald (tier 5) have HE removed, AP alpha damage halved, AP ricochet angle increased from 45° to 60° and auto-ricochet angle at 75°, detonation threshold decreased from 25mm to 12mm The problem I see with UK cruisers only having AP is what happens when they meet a destroyer. Bye Bye cruiser. For that matter they will be overpenning massive areas of almost all of the lower tier cruisers. Even the St Louis. Most of the lower tier cruisers (and dds) that I checked have less than 12mm over most of their hulls. Basically anything that doesn't hit the middle is going to overpen.

Some changes coming up https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2016/09/19/wows-0-5-12-changes-rn-cl-and-more/ WoWS 0.5.12 changes- RN CL and more 2016-09-19 ~ Sebastianul Thanks to Urakaze for translating. The following changes are mainly focused on the rebalanced RN CLs, as well as a series of changes to other ships. RN CL Changes– The Smoke Screen of RN CLs will be replaced with a special engine boost, effects:-15% boost to top speed, increased acceleration and deceleration for 120 seconds-Number of charges: 2/3, Reload time: 180/120 seconds-Changes to Repair Party consumable, Edinburgh,Neptune and Minotaur are now equiped with this consumable, effects:-Repairs 8% of total hp/second, for 5 seconds-Number of charges: 2/3, Reload time: 120/80 seconds-Changes to ammo– All ships except Emerald (tier 5) have HE removed, AP alpha damage halved, AP ricochet angle increased from 45° to 60° and auto-ricochet angle at 75°, detonation threshold decreased from 25mm to 12mm-Black Swan (Tier 1) now uses Training AP shells with increased shell weight and 450 damage, shares same ricochet characteristics with the rest of the line, range nerfed from 8.7km to 7km-Neptune and Minotaur will have a new AP ammo with 805m/s initial velocity, not implemented yet.-Changes to armour– Leander and Fiji receives a hull armour buff, from 13mm to 16mm so 203mm AP cannot overmatch it now.– Edinburgh, Neptune and Minotaur receives a hull armour buff, from 16mm to 22mm to enhance protection from 127mm HE and increase ricochet chances for 203mm AP– Premium ships Belfast and Perth are only affected by this change Other Changes -Some tier 5-7 cruisers will have their armour buffed to 19mm, some ships like Myoko only have their bow and stern plating buffed, while some like Shchors have the entire hull buffed. This buff will increase their resistance towards 203mm AP, as well as resistance against 100mm HE from Akizuki for tier 6 and 7 cruisers.List of cruisers changed:-Kirov, Budyonny, Shchors, Molotov (Parts of Budyonny’s armour are buffed to 30mm)-Nürnberg, Yorck-Pensacola, Indianapolis, Flint, Atlanta (The latter 2 have their hull buffed to 16mm)-Aoba, Myoko-Part of Cleveland’s 13mm armour nerfed to 10mm-Tier 6-10 DD bow and stern armour thickness will be nerfed, armour ranging from 13-19mm will be decreased to 12-15mm, this change will help Akizuki against DDs and increase the effectiveness of German 105mm/Japanese 100mm secondariesList of DDs changed:-Mutsuki, Hatsuharu, Fubuki, Shiratsuyu, Akatsuki, Akizuki, Kagero, Yugumo, Shimakaze-Farragut, Sims, Benson, Fletcher, Gearing-Ognevoi, Leningrad, Tashkent, Udaloi, Khabarovsk-Lo Yang, Anshan-Błyskawica-Minor CV armour changes-Two pieces of armour are removed from Nagato and Arizona-Friedrich der Große’s stern armour buffed from 28mm to 30mm , *bow armour buffed from 28mm to 30mm* (* not confirmed, speculations only)-Montana bomb deck buffed from 29mm to 38mm, so it can defend itself against HE shells of caliber 220mm or lower, and increases the chances of 460mm AP ricochets at close to mid ranges.-New Jolly Roger flag -Prinz Eugen’s new camo is available, price increased from 2000 doubloons to 3000 doubloons, +50% commander experience earned, +50% experience earned, +10% credits income, with the usual decreased hit accuracy + increased concealment-Friedrich der Große and Großer Kurfürst’s secondaries minimum firing range changed

If you can't decide, join public test next time around and play them both. Meanwhile build up your credit and xp pools. Unless you want them now because of cheap upgrades then I'd say Bismarck. Though if you've made it to tier nine you should be able to figure out how to bank a couple of specialist upgrades, depending on what you already have.

I missed Albany last year, I'd much rather have her than Smith.

If it makes any difference, there's no sign of Albert on the ASIAN server either. So it's not just EU.

Still there, and still in the shop.

Your price is a little off. First, you can buy Albert from the (NA) tech tree for 2200 doubloons. Second the price of Albert in the Premium shop is $0.64 less than the price of 2500 doubloons (2200 for Albert, + 300 for port slot) under 'any amount of doubloons'. Also 2200 doubloons is 200 more than Mikasa, and 50 less than Aurora or Yubari. As to why EU has not sold it... who knows it does not make sense to me.

When in port screen upper right corner lists doubloons, credits and free xp. Put curser on doubloons click on purchase doubloons (under doubloons). Follow directions. After purchasing doubloons return to port screen, and put curser on free xp (next to star) click on convert xp (under free xp). Follow directions.

I'd like to see it in the shop. I'd also like to see it in the tech tree, for it's listed 2200 doubloons (as they did in NA). BTW they're still waiting on the ASIAN server as well, just without a worm on their tongue(s).

Albert, or Kaiser for that matter, has no restrictions about using all 5 turrets on a broadside. It just doesn't happen that often because, usually, by the time the turret gets into position, the chance to use it has vanished.

Perhaps he, like myself, has an NA account as well as an EU account.

This is a quote from a post by Kashuken that accurately translates what has been said about the RN cruisers in the twitch video: The British cruisers received some mixed feedback. They were mostly disliked by testers, which prompted a major redesign of the entire line that is already well under way. They are looking to rebalance the line around AP-focused gunnery, high penetration and flat trajectories. Their HE may be nerfed or even removed entirely (!). Speed boost or repair consumable is a possibility. Individual torpedo launchers should remain a thing. I can see why tier 3-5 may be disliked... NO GUNS. Torpedoes are all well and good, but you can't use them on a crowded battlefield without hitting your allies. At least if you hit an ally with a gun you probably won't turn pink.

Regarding statement in original thread that testers don't like British cruisers. Just looking at the ships, I can see a reason why they might not be liked... NO GUNS. Tier 3-5 look like they will be seriously under gunned. Kind of playing 3 tiers of pre buff Karlsruhes. Actually compared to them Karlsruhe is very well armed. Torpedoes are nice, but you can't use them in a crowded field without hitting your allies. At least if you accidentally hit an ally with a shell you probably won't turn pink.

I agree, I'd like to buy Dunkerque, but not until after Konig Albert!

Yes, it's possible, I've done it. As a rule I would say use HE on all tier 3 or lower cruisers. Battleship AP just overpens. I watched Jingles using a Mikasa vs a St.Louis and even that overpenned. As for tier 4+... depends on where it hits, and the size of the shell.

For whatever reason there are WG customers who are not satisfied with just owning a Hipper class CA and are willing to pay good money for a slightly modified Hipper labeled Prinz Eugen. Who is WG to turn down the money they can make by selling a repackaged collection of pixels to these people. WG gets money and happy(er) customers.

At least it won't be a steaming Trump, like krispy cream.

The ONLY HMS Tiger I want to see Is the Battlecruiser. https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot/ships/ships-uk/hms-tiger-1914-battlecruiser.png Preferably as a tech tree ship, with a possible rebuild. http://s286.photobucket.com/user/kiyone4ever/media/TigerRebuild.png.html

I see Dunkerque finally made it to the EU server.

Actually it was two A bombs (23kt each 1 Able airburst and 1 Baker underwater), not H bombs. And the reason She was not repaired was because of radiation from test Baker.