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Woah, hold up, you're telling me my ship has a citadel?

Oh I know, there's many ways, I probably did it in Gadjah Mada with Q.Rong - I just suggested the easiest and most useless battleship way of doing it because for some reason that's what I assumed he wanted

Only the actual fire damage, HE pen damage isn't fire damage. If you want to get lots of fire damage fast, you can do so by making yourself extremely useless. Start a single fire on multiple different ships, they won't bother putting out the fire because it's 100% repairable. Basically be a thunderer player for a few hours.

Problem? What problem, I have one, there is no problem. I love going up against real battleships and saying "Look at me, look at me, I am the battleship now" Yes please bring those rear turrets to bear, I promise I won't switch to AP in 3,75 seconds with Halsey.

Like I didn't just read it, I read it and theory crafted ways in which this line could actually be good, because I want it to be good. I figure with hydro and what appears to be nurnberg AP DPM they could be good at charging into and deleting smoked up light cruisers. That's a very niche role though. The dev blog also says "Great armor for the class" What does that mean? Does it have plating somewhere that isn't 19mm? Because that's what it would need to have any chance against DDs that outspot it. Mostly when I read destroyer + 8,5km concealment + no smoke + no speed + no AA - I think suicide-boat

-I don't need to read that, I read the blog when it came out, still don't see how these ships could be particularly good. -Extremely good dispersion, eh, it's not like regular DDs get wild dispersion from 10km. -Improved pen angles, Jutland and Daring get that, you don't see them open-water gunboating light cruisers with AP. Because they don't like evaporating, presumably. Destroyers designed to hunt light cruisers sound like suicide-boats to me. I literally said I would love to be proven wrong and find this to be a fun/interesting/decent line. If there is a way to play them other than "charge into a light cruiser and shoot it with 200K AP DPM for 8 seconds, look at the light cruiser angle against you, laugh at you and return fire with 325K HE DPM" I will play them

You made an entirely fictional post about how people "hate you" for playing a ship you don't even own. Of course people are going to make fun of you.

Ill be happy if these DDs are actually any good, I love DDs, but on paper they look more underwhelming than the 40s reload 17kt american pigs recently released.

The one T9 that can actually put up a fight is a smart Roon, it can run away and apply consistent damage with rear guns while he does it. Roon is very annoying, even in an Alaska. Can't citadel them either, not reliably anyway.

You can't, improved pen angles, the only way a heavy cruiser angles against an alaska is if he does it permanently, no back turrets, ever. At which point the Alaska actually out-dpm's you

Pretty much yeah, cruiser just angles against these things and returns fire with what appears to be 150% more HP and 300% more DPM. The only thing I can see these Germans lolibotes achieving is sneak up on light cruiser broadsides the same way the french and -to a lesser extent- the russians can. And planes, oh god what are planes going to do to these poor things, they can't smoke like the brits, they can't run like the french, they can't kill the planes like the swedes. Just sit there and die I guess

A heavy cruiser cant even pen the deck of an alaska with HE, nor can he citadel an alaska from any range or angle, nor can he use his back turrets at any point because Alaska pumps out nine 9.350 damage AP shells every 15 seconds with improved pen angles. Being shot by an alaska in a heavy cruiser is often worse than being shot by a BB. The only thing a heavy cruiser can do against a premium supercruiser is cry and hope its over soon. You can set me on fire, good for you, ill repair it while you are staring at your port screen

A big slow destroyer designed to open water gunboat cruisers at 11km, sounds like suicide to me. Ill wait and see of course but this line looks terribad

As someone who owns premium supercruisers and finished grinding most tech tree cruiser lines : The indirect nerf to my premium ships was 100% justified. Tech tree cruisers couldn't do anything against premium supercruisers, now they can at least put up a fight, kinda. None of the ships you mentioned are in a bad spot, they still dumpster normal cruisers, they just don't dumpster them as hard anymore. If you give them 32mm plating why would anyone even consider playing a BB anymore

No concealment, no hydro, no DPM, no smoke, no speed, no torps. Ok so like, what do they get?

Playing Ohio like that is a waste. That's what Thunderer does best. Anything else Ohio is better. Ohio is basically Thunderer on steroids unless you're sitting at 17+ km - So don't do that

My new cursed ship is Donskoi, not just because I can't win when I play it, but also just because I hate it, I hate it and I hate everything about it. This was 1 day of grinding Donskoi after 5 days of grinding many other things. I hate it so much that I flipped off my computer screen after my last battle in it to add Nevsky to my collection. I hate it more than Hipper, I hate it more than Colorado and Tallinn, I hate it more than schshchschschors. I hate this ship more than any other ship currently in the game. It has no armor, it has no DPM, it can't turn, battleships laugh at you because they overmatch citadel every pixel of your ship, cruisers laugh at you because you can't turn out fast enough to avoid getting blapped, even when you know their shells are coming, destroyers laugh at you because your turning radius is so bad you can't even dodge torps if you spotted them with hydro 4km out and you don't have the reload to punish them when you catch them in your radar. Playing it all day yesterday to get Nevsky was my worst experience in warships ever. I played 40 rounds in it yesterday and I hate it so much I visibly annoyed for an entire day. After 35 games I thought hey, I'll get a friend in a USN DD to help me out, he can smoke me up. I got blapped and then read it has a 10km smoke firing penalty, really, on a light cruiser? It can't even do *that* The only thing it can do is spam a pathetic amount of HE damage from 18km and get deleted by BBs because it doesn't have the agility to dodge anything. Hell it can't even dodge north carolina shells from 20km

There's also the value in the formation as Pete pointed out, I never think about this anymore because I take PT on every BB and cruiser for years, but when you're "going somewhere" - you angle out the moment you're being targeted. Not having this information would lead to you not being able to go where you want to go, not without potentially taking a big hit on the way. Thinking about it, this may actually be more important than knowing when potato DDs sent torps your way.

Notser is a terrible source for information AA build hindenburg will mitigate exactly 0 damage from a competent CV player, they literally don't care as they will just dodge your flak, fly through your continuous dps for a second, strike you once and come back later. With that said, you basically have 4 skillpoints left after building a complete hindenburg captain, so you might as well pick up the 4 point AA skill to kill planes from incompetent CV players 20% faster. Just don't expect 20% more AA to kill 20% more planes, that's not how it works, and even if it did, you still wouldn't mitigate any damage to your ship because 3 drops is 3 drops, unless AA buffs reach a certain threshold which reduces the amount of drops a potato CV can do by 1, it doesn't even do anything against potato CVs. So, take it for the placebo, doesn't do anything, but what else are you going to spend the last 4 points on with a Hindy. Edit : At A10 it's an even-tier ship though, so I wonder, in Clan Battles, if everyone on your team boosts their AA by 20%, does this make the enemy CV 20% less effective? @El2aZeR would you be 20% less effective in CB if everyone on the enemy team was built for AA?

They dont put that up because then people would analyze it and do what needs to be done for max xp, instead of doing what needs to be done to win. But, ironically, thats what people are doing now, farming damage even when farming damage is the dumbest move at a particular time. If you want to study the numbers, its up on the wiki, generally, being selfish is not rewarded as much as people think. Of note, doing DD things like spotting, capping and smoking up cruisers, it does not just give a ton of XP, often more than direct damage, but it also increases your odds of winning dramatically, a win is +50% XP for everyone on your team, this includes you. I always play like this and my average damage and average xp is out of wack, my average damage in many ships is ok, my average xp is off the charts. I have one of the lowest average damage numbers and highest average xp numbers in my clan for example. Winrate is also going up for obvious reasons, when you stop being selfish, it goes up. If battleships knew that landing one shell on a T10 DD gives them more credits and xp than farming a T8 BB for 3 minutes, they would do it, they don't know, so they don't do it.

Topic title is preposterous of course cruisers still have a role. Battleships need to dev strike something

If you can't tell the difference between a white standard container and a red premium container, you need your eyes checked.

No because making changes and not offering another (probably shorter) free respec would be nasty and I'm not cynical enough to see weegee do this. The makarov thing was kinda cringe but that doesn't mean it's a bunch of Russians sitting in a basement smoking cigars and brainstorming how to upset you.

BB receives approximately 10% of the reward for full HP damage to the spotted ship. CV receives approximately 20% of the reward for full HP damage to the spotted ship. CR receives approximately 30% of the reward for full HP damage to the spotted ship. DD receives approximately 40% of the reward for full HP damage to the spotted ship. A solo-cap gives as much XP as killing 2/3rds of a ship. In a DD if you just spot and cap, you can top the scoreboard doing 0 damage. If more DD players knew these numbers, they would more often play for the win instead of the damage. Like, if you smoke up two cruisers in your DD and spot for them, you will be getting way more xp and credits than letting your cruisers die and farming from your own smoke, because getting 40% of the damage two cruisers pump out is far more than your own damage output. Doing this you will also, you know, win the match ... Because you allowed your cruisers to trade 0 of their health for a ton of the enemy team's health. This is one more example of wargaming doing a good job making their game but a poor job explaining their game, 99/100 DD players do not understand that their winrate *and* XP goes up if they do DD things. If you're in a DD and you do in randoms what a DD does in clan battles, your winrate goes up dramatically and, so does your xp, actually. Same applies to a radar cruiser by the way, if you radar and your teammates kill the DD, you get XP as if you did 30% of the damage to that DD. It's not necessary at all to put yourself in harms way from BB guns to shoot the DD yourself. People play selfish because they think that's what the game rewards, it's not true.

I take PT on every cruiser and BB because I am too lazy to be using WASD hacks all game, PT tells me when I should be using WASD hacks. That said, if I was not lazy, I probably would not take it on every build