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You shouldn't count like that, getting 375K free xp ingame is not that hard if you know how to do it. So like, you could buy alaska for $50/10.000 gold or you could theoretically buy 1 million free xp for 40.000 gold to get alaska. Calculating free xp in terms of what it's worth in doubloons isn't the right way to look at it, the right way to look at free xp is you have a choice : You can either spend it to skip crappy ships, skip stock grind, skip entire lines if you insist. Or you can save it for a pretty long time and reward yourself with a premium. And -credit where credit is due- some of the best premiums so far have been free xp and coal "freemiums" - Weegee isn't selling the best stuff for euros and the crap for free xp and coal. I recommend always holding on to free xp until weegee releases a cool $50 boat you can get for free, it happens. Also because skipping ships and skipping lines is generally bad for your progress as a player, you can't properly fight a ship if you don't know anything about how it plays.

This conversation between toxicsmurf & arttuperkunas is like an in depth forum version of a BB spamming "I NEED - INTELLIGENCE - DATA" and the DD ignoring it because he has seen no indication that the ships behind him are capable of doing any real damage I need intelligence data! No, bad battleship, no intelligence data for you, you sit there and take damage while I farm. I need intelligence data! No! Bad battleship!

Multiple things can be true at once, he really is a decent BB main, his DD experience really is limited to sealclubbing in ohotknik. But that doesn't mean his reply is useless here, from a BB perspective, harugumo running LU is not a great teammate. The smoked up harugumo is farming damage from smoke, his cruisers and bbs take a beating to "provide" spotting to their DD, harugumo with LU is almost certainly smoked up and farming all the time, trading his team's HP for the enemy team's HP. Whereas a "real" destroyer can spot and let several teammates farm from behind an island, trading 0 of his team's HP for a bunch of the enemy team's HP. The guy accidentally gave a pretty good answer to your question, LU is the best on Harugumo for racking up damage numbers but it's probably not that great for winrate because you're unlikely to contest caps or ever give your team the chance to trade very favorably. I understand why a BB main would say "Oh god no please no LU Harugumo" But I am a weird DD player, I'm the kind of DD player battleships and cruisers love, I spot, I chase other destroyers, I contest caps. I dislike torpedo boats and smoke-farmers. When I'm in a selfish mood, I play grozovoi open water gunboat, but doing this I still provide spotting constantly and I still play it with CE so I can still contest caps and chase DDs if that is what the team needs. I guess LU Harugumo is great for racking up damage numbers but bad for the team, unless you're so damn good in it that the damage you pump out is more than what the 3 cruisers behind you could pump out if they had vision. I mean, If you can consistently do 250K damage in LU Harugumo, who cares about the guys behind you spamming "I NEED INTELLIGENCE DATA" Just mute them

Wow, uhhh, you OK there buddy? I mean it's super useful in this topic now obviously but still, you OK there buddy? =D

I made a guide for you, even added some animations, sorry the animation and video quality isn't quite up to wargaming's level but I don't get paid. Just take deadeye on everything, there will be more free captain respecs in a few weeks because wargaming did an oopsie with the rework.

This, people use free xp to skip lines and then go REEEEEE when they need 1 million of it to get a cool premium. It's like spending all your money on booze every day and going REEEEE when one of your friends buys a new car and you're in a 19 year old renault.

I don't think you did say that, I assumed you were using "you" to make a general point. The dude probably figured you were using "you" to mean him. His stats indicate decent BB main who likes lower tiers, not pepega thunderer sniper.

It's a mindset I won - Aren't I amazing? We lost - My teammates were bad, the enemy team was too good, no fair.

You can't just look at stats see 75% BB and conclude pepega sniper. You can conclude pepega sniper by looking at stats if someone is BB main with high damage numbers, crap winrate and/or a lot of thunderer games.

What? No way. Whenever I play low tier for the memes I'm sitting in a max duration queue of 5 minutes and I'm teamed up against one other person with 11 bots on both teams

Lets say the theory is correct (it's not) and ships with "good AA" are not placed in CV games, why would this even piss you off? I would pay $1.000 for kidd and play it every day if it didn't face carriers Never facing a CV sounds like the ultimate anti-air to me

The video shows Flambass playing ships with mediocre or bad AA, he gets a CV game every time. Inbetween he plays kidd, hoping to kill planes with it, every time he plays kidd, there is no CV. The implication here seems to be a conspiracy to make sure carriers are only ever matched against ships with bad AA. I guess he's asking "Does wargaming match carriers only with surface ships who have bad AA" The sample pool to prove this theory seems to be 6 flambass games

I'm not surprised T8 is doing well, T8 is comfy. Many T8s can do something against T9s and T10s, when I'm bottom tier in a T8 I think "Oh great more xp" I am surprised this many people want to play T7, destroyers without conceal mod and battleships covered in 26mm get rekt so hard against T8s and T9s Where do you get these numbers? You got them for lower tiers? Curiosity

I never understood this either. Vigilance on a battleship : You know you're going to die 2 seconds earlier, uh, ok? Vigilance on a destroyer : Could actually be useful because you're spotting 25% more torpedoes for the big ships behind you.

For 1 point preventive maintenance is good, everything else is trash. For 2 points last stand is good, everything else is trash. For 3 points survivability expert and AR is good - SI/FTT/MBAAS are okay I guess on some boats. For 4 points concealment expert is good, radio location can be good, everything else is trash (except for MBAAE and Fearless on Russians/French) I'm a big fan of RPF so I end up with this 17 point build on all my destroyers. I could grab another "meh" 3pt skill and take another 1pt skill that does literally nothing. Why are 10 out of 12 one and two point skills completely useless? This just makes the effective cost of RPF 6 points instead of 4, because taking RPF means you waste 2 skillpoints on junk. Any chance this gets looked into when you're looking into deadeye or is deadeye the only thing that's under review? The skilltree is OK for french and russian because you can make use of MBAAE and/or fearless. I guess it's OK for Halland because you grab fill the tubes and liquidator. But every other destroyer is wasting 4 skillpoints on junk after they spent 17 points on this build

For your last 4 points on a BB if you have CE/FP - Deadeye and ERE is a real choice, deadeye is overtuned right now but an extra 1,5 heals is not trash. Grease or PT for 2 points on a BB can be a real choice. Nobody has a level 1 captain on a DD and thinks "Yes, I want to switch to AP 1 second faster, I don't care about my engine, rudder & torpedo tubes breaking permanently, I like broken modules" Nobody has a level 2 captain on a DD and thinks "Yes, my torpedoes must be 3 knots faster, I like being a stationary target with broken engines" Nobody has a level 4 captain on a DD and thinks "Yes, dazzle, I shall spend 4 points on that instead of concealment" No battleship captain with 3 points to spend thinks "Yes, I want to be on fire 30% more, I don't like having faster reload, being on fire is fun" When they said the rework will provide choice, I didn't think the choice would be "You have the option of clicking on something stupid"

I don't see the benefit of PT on a "normal" DD. You get a triangle with the largest possible number in it whenever you are spotted, I don't really care if the amount of ships targeting me is 7 or 9, what does that tell me, you get spotted, it's bail-o-clock, but it's always bail-o-clock in a normal DD. It's super useful on cruisers and battleships so you know when it's angle-o-clock.

You don't think except for PM and LS the 1 and 2 point skills are almost universally useless? I can see a use for extra heavy ap on jutland/daring. Pyro maybe if you're running Quan Rong on Gadjah Mada to get some value out of it. Liquidator on Halland isn't complete trash I guess. Consumable enhancement on Smaland possibly because you get something out of +10% speedboost and radar. On everything else I look at those 1 and 2 point skills and think "Well, I have to click on something I suppose" - Not a great motivator to go for 21pt captains.

Right, I know, but all of this assumes random battles and competent red DDs, I should have specified, cb/ranked you take RPF if you know how to use it.

5/6 1pt skills are 5/6 2pt skills are 4/6 4pt skills are if you're not french or russian There's plenty of useful skills for DDs (unlike cruisers, they don't even get that) - But every DD build I can think of that isn't halland, french or russian has to spend some points on trash skills.

Right I don't take it on an open water gunboat either, I'm a bit confused as to why you wouldn't take it on shima if you know how to use it but I'm sure there's a valid reason. We're getting off track with specific builds for specific ships. My question was a general question Why are ten out of twelve 1pt/2pt skills junk. Why is every 4pt skill junk except for CE, potentially RPF + MBAEE/FEARLESS on french/russians. Who is ever going to click on dazzle unless they are inebriated? Same for outnumbered on cruisers. Battleships have one hurrr durrrr skill too with super heavy AP, nobody is ever going to want that, so why is it there?

Right but on top of that I can't even think of two builds without wasting skillpoints on trash, except on my russians where I can actually make use of +20% range and my halland where I actually want fill the tubes and liquidator does something. I'm not even talking about lack of diversity, obviously there is none, but on most DDs there isn't even one build that does not involve picking up junk skills.

The topic is about cruisers needing 13 skillpoints to finish their captain build and wasting 8 skillpoints on junk. Destroyers needing 13 skillpoints (17 if they know how to use RPF) and wasting 8 (or 4) skillpoints on junk. Meanwhile battleships have one 21pt meta build for non-russians and one 21pt meta build for russians, not a single skillpoint wasted on junk. There is great value in LV21 battleship captains, there is virtually no value in captains over LV13 in cruisers or destroyers. If I lost 8 levels on all my cruiser captains and 4 on all my DD captains right now I wouldn't notice.