AnotherDuck

So DDs are at an all-time low, and they want to make a ship better at hunting DDs. A probably outcome to this is that there will be very few targets for Grozo, and everyone will be focus-firing Grozo, so the stats of the ships won't really improve that much, and WG thinks it's fine because of it. "Hmm, some ship is underperforming and needs buffing. Let's buff it against DDs." WG sure has a strong tendency to sacrifice DDs when they want to buff other ships.

My subjective experience is that she's more accurate than Missouri at similar ranges. It's a bit hard to compare, though, since I play the ships very differently, and I'm often a lot closer in Missouri.

I'm okay with that.

What do you do in a radar cruiser if you're on radar cooldown? If you remove radars then the waters will be less friendly for BBs because it's easier for DDs to sneak up on them. Removing Radio Location would also work to accomplish that goal.

The fact that it was present at all speaks volumes. Why? That's not an argument I need to defend. Lately when I've been playing there's been a CV in almost every game. I also wonder what will happen when they finally manage to release their CV rework. I'm pretty sure that if it's not a complete and utter disaster, more people will play CVs. No. I'm just relying on the opinion of people better than you.

Just watched a bunch of King of the Seas matches. Most DDs were Gearings. The rest were Grozos. Whether I own one or not is completely irrelevant. It's at most saying my argument isn't the strongest it could possibly be, but it's far from discrediting argument. It's so much grabbing at straws that if that's the best you can come up with, you have nothing.

Take pretty much any random game. Take note of all the ways DDs get spotted that aren't radar. Pick one. LoS nerf? You mean radar not going through islands? That shouldn't be particularly hard to work around.

Grozo is one of two DDs I've even seen in competitive play that allows CVs. It's unpopular by Random players, but it's obviously a competitive ship. It's not the power of the ship that's a problem. The entire Russian DD line isn't particularly popular, and when you have a line split towards the top tiers that's going to make them even rarer. If it's a symptom on anything, it's for the entire line, not itself. Are you seriously saying people aren't complaining about radar ships sitting in someone else's smoke? The mass of complaints about that is what led to the smoke nerf in the first place, and a lot of people still don't think that was enough. At 7.5 km, Grozo can easily do a ton of damage very quickly. It's still a DD with reasonable stealth, so getting that close isn't that hard. And those are still if you don't include being able to use smoke. Radar and smoke is, and has always been, a very bad idea.

Okay, so let's make it so that radar only reveals a ship for themselves, not for the rest of the team, like it is in cyclones.

If I had a doubloon for every time someone tried to use the argument that "you can just use your brain to get around radar" I'd be able to buy out WG and make the changes myself. Thing is, that argument "works" against everything. You can just use your brain instead of relying on radar. You can just use your brain to avoid anything that's overpowered, so something being overpowered isn't a problem according to the "use your brain" argument. If you include T8 you also have Kagero, which is faster with better concealment, to the point where you never really need smoke at all.

1) Instead of ships blinking in and out, it's better to have a map-only reveal, as some people have suggested. That works a lot better for the fragile game engine. 2) Being able to knock radar out would work (it works for planes), although it would mostly just lead to even more radar ships hiding behind islands.

True, it was a strong ship, but it was still the best counter against smoke. Unlike radar, which was what made the smoke situation worse than it's ever been before or since the smoke nerf.

By that logic the Kebab needs some serious buffs, and Shima needs some serious nerfs. Is Kebab completely underpowered, and is Shima completely overpowered?

These are great suggestions. I'd know, because I've suggested them myself. When they added radar, before the smoke changes, a lot of people started hiding in smoke and using radar to look out of it. It was not just the Belfast. Which also led to them nerfing Shiratsuyu, because that was a ship that was really good at exploiting people hiding in smoke. And that apparently wasn't a good thing. I think for battleships, as long as they have a shorter detectability bloom time when shooting than reload time, them being visible so far even in smoke is fine. Personally I'd nerf smoke duration overall, though, if I wanted to make players hide in smoke less. Less smoke to hide in means less players hiding in smoke all the time. Simple as that. If you have ships that depend on smoke for hiding, rebalance them to be playable in open waters better. Or they could, you know, learn to adapt.

A ship being unpopular is an absolute crap reason to buff the ship. We're talking about a T10 ship that competes with Kebab that you also have to grind through a lot of awkward destroyers to even get to, and almost all of them are ranked low in competitive play (but work well enough in Randoms). A ship being bad is a good reason to buff the ship. I don't think I need to enlighten most people here about my opinions on radar, let alone radars on DD.

A ship using radar or hydro should be automatically detected by any ship it spots with radar or hydro, much like if you smoke up you can no longer spot enemies. Radar and hydro going through islands is dumber than WG thinks the playerbase is. Having them be line of sight based would not be particularly complicated. Considering the amount of complaints about how it doesn't make sense for them to go through mountains, I would think the natural assumption that they're not wallhacks would be easier to understand, not harder. I mostly think WG just doesn't care about it and wave it off with some nonesense excuse.

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I don't think it's so much the radar overpopulation as the cruiser overpopulation, or rather somewhat lacking battleship overpopulation. It's nowdays not rare to see matches with only three battleships per team, which makes for less campy matches.

When that's all I need and I can't be arsed to put up some effort, I sometimes go to the lowest tier possible for the quest and bring up the sealclubbiest ship I own. Preferably one that counters the current meta.

Don't forget overpriced. By that standard, Missouri is garbage.

So that's why you keep "arguing". Thanks for informing me.

I don't recall claiming that. Could you be so kind and enlighten me where I said that?

Funny how you use the word "dismantled" in place of "disagreed". You've only come with personal opinions and anecdotes. Nothing of substantial value. You seem to think that the volume of posts is an arguments. It's not that you misquote me; it's that you misrepresent what I did write. Come on, we've been over this. I've not lied once in this thread. At most I've accidentally misinterpreted something minor.

In Missouri you can get away with tons of crap, like rushing the B cap of Sea of Fortune when there are two undetected destroyers around. I'm spotted, and I don't know who spots me? The solution is just a button press away! And suddenly I have two kills, because battleship AP is so balanced against destroyers.

If you're not even going to read what I post, you don't have any leg to stand on falsely accusing others of lying. I'm done with trying to reason with you.