Jvd2000

​Yep, and after one month WG will no longer change the mission because these trolls will get upset. ARP Nachi has become a prestige object, not because they like ARP so much, but only to slight the players that are unlucky or don't have some tier 10's in port or have 2 months of games to spend. The tier 8 Takao is something semi-special (and they lowered the requirements never the less) but the ARP Nachi in game terms is not. But for the people that actualy like ARPEGGIO the difficulty to get it is totally stupid in comparisson with all the other missions.

Texas: 5 Nicholas: 14 Zuiho (1/2/1): 23 Kongo: 27 Furutaka: 7 Minekaze/Fujin/Kamikaze: 34 -3 =31 they are ok, but not THAT good Gremy: 28 Murmansk: 13 König: 28 +1 = 29 My beloved BB with more punch then enemies suspect from those 'small"12 inchers Königsberg: 24

You really deserve some team mates that ruin your game / win ratio the coming month. Cause sometime these "idiots" are not only in the enemy team....Maybe you will be less arrogant then.

Why are you concerned, you did it so easy and relaxed without paying any attention.... We, the plebs not so grand and great as you your highness, are struggling with it and would like to not continue this B.S. type of mission that is just fault to its core..

Mouse, thanks for review! Nice to welcome you (and Lert!) on the EU side of the Ocean

This! Maybe best solution is to create another second ARP Nachi mission in December (not replacing but extra) with a very conservative requirement like the Myoko's before. 2mil dmg and 3000 main gun hits. So the people that already have the Nachi can do this one again to earn an extra port spot. Maybe give only a lvl 0 captain Nachi for the easy mode to eas the mind of the priviliged players that received the Nachi with the difficult mission. Whatever WG does, its not working as intended or it must be WG goal to piss of a large part of its player base.

What would be the compensation for bundle buying premium ships that you already have? A mere credit compensation or doubloons? Not even wanting to buy all those premiums in one go. No time to play them and the financial benefit off buying them in one go is diminished because there are ships in that package i would never touch or play.

I tried the first 2 weeks playing like " normal". Slowly progressing on all missions except the Russian kill part of the Nachi mission. Two weeks is about 25% of time for mission but only at 10% of the 20 kills (2). So I changed to Yolo play last weekend. Got 3 kills by holding fire to close in and be disregarded by rest of enemy team because of concealment and even focused on ramming head on enemy Russian CL's (Ram and bonus speed flag equipped). If no Russian are present i go out fast in a blaze of destruction (most of the time my destruction). Fun for me? No. Good for the team? No. Do have an alternative, except of forfeiting Nachi? No because WG does not give a damn about this...

Yep, in addition of change of Mission, can we also change Server team? So do we want the RU of NA team ?

Sigh, It's not about the possibility to reach the goal, its about the way people are trying to achieve it. And the negative consequences for enjoying this game. For me it would be the same if the next mission was to achieve 50 team kills. (would be easier actually) Now that would be fun for team play

I started a tread about this subject on the 3rd of November, when people were still focusing on the tier 9 requirement for Takao, pointing out the toxic requirements. Initially the response from WG was promising (WG changing Takoa mission tier requirements tot the actual tier of the ship and agreeing that the Nachi was also in order for a tier adjustment) but afterwards it changed to a big [edited] to the main gamer community. Seems progress was ok in their eyes without mission adjustments. In the end enough people will reach 20 kills. Some quite easy because of time played and or above average skill. The average Joe struggles in vain compensating the lack of kills with single minded RU kill intend. Both these players and their team mates are not having a good time. In the end WG does not give a ****. And they are supported by some players that prefer to have others suffer so they can flaunt their elitism.

People play like that because of an ill designed mission requirement by WG. And WG should have known from earlier missions that hunting for specific kills hurts (team) play. But its seems that, since WG is perfectly fine in repeating such stupid missions, they don't care about team play or good battles. So both the players that are desperate to fulfill their mission are screwed by this mission as well as the other teammates. So instead of blaming the Russian hunters blame WG. Some people want Nachi. Period. Dot. They will do anything to get a better chance. And some tactics that actually work (agreeing in your assessment that foolhardy following a dd in a BB is not improving that chance) in increasing that chance does not always improve team play. So that will sometimes also lower the enjoy-ability of your game, well grasp that concept.

I feel worn out. Still 15 Russian kills to go even after a very heavy increase of games played. Games fully focused on kills, quick ending non interesting games (aka no targets available). So either continue this madness until i get to the magic20 kills (with final goal not guaranteed) playing unpleasant games in a unpleasant environment. Or decide that, even that i would like to have a full collection, its not worth to have WG ruin my free time with things that I do not want to go through... I will never try to get the Flint because I lack the skills & time investment. So thats fine, i dont do the effort, i dont get the Flint. But the Nachi is not supposed to be a Flint like " only for elitists" ship. ARP Nachi's given out on other servers easy peasy. All the other ARP ships on the EU server are obtainable (either in the past or now) with still a achievable and reasonable requirements. Even the Takao (being an almost free Atago) is handed out on a relative easy basis. WG changed the ARP Takao requirement after some feedback but in contrary refuse to do something about ARP Nachi. I am sure there are other business like reasons for WG that have higher priority then players satisfaction. As a player I can not make WG to change the requirement. They already stated both in the German and English forum that they will not. But i am a very p*ssed off client due the the ARP missions. 1.) I feel manipulated. I have free xp-ed a tier 9 cruiser (including purchasing doublouns) to fulfill the initial ARP Takao mission just to find out it lowered afterwards. I have the feeling WG always planned to do so but wanted to entice some people to spent real money to get to tier 9...Proof? No. Bad feelings? yes. 2.) I feel lied to. The entire refund credits for ARP ships already owned debacle. Earlier this year, when you got a ARP ship for the second time, you were rewarded with a port place and a credit refund for the ARP ship you already had. At the start of the november ARP missions, after players complained, WG initialy reported that it was a bug that there was no financial refund for ship doubles. It would be rectified.Then it was again said that it was intentional (no credits refund) but as a bonus we could keep a port slot (which already was part of the deal). And no I dont care about the credits or whether we are not entitled or not. Fact is that they LIED! As a costumer i dont accept that from my supplier of services. If they said no money refund from day one i would have though " shame about the credits" but no problem... 3.) I feel disrespected. The treatment of EU is far worse then all other regions. Complains are wiped under the carpet. Forcing me to do unjustifiable tasks totally indifferent of common sense (and against better judgment learning from the past, remembering the initial ARP Myoko missions were you had to kill 30 dd's) and WG is not even trying to hide their ignorance... I hope WG will chance its attitude. Nothing more for me to rant and further ignore this mission less i get to waste more leisure time in an unpleasant way... As a costumer I can only vote one way. I will vote with my wallet, deciding not to spend my money on a company that disregards so much its costumers.

Yes, 6 more weeks of torture, unfun gaming and irritation. Should I be grateful now? And even then with my current progress its not granted that I end up with 20 kills on 31-12. yesterday I had a ranked 1 player in an Izumo went YOLO to kill a Kutnetzov. Which he killed. But sank afterwards from torp dmg without even trying to do something else for the team. And he was happy for getting another kill, announcing it proudly in chat. I am doing the same now too holding my fire, maintaining my concealment, trying to close in towards an enemy cruiser and try to wait until he is close to dieing or even ram him front nose. When there are no targets i tell my team i am to suicide to get out of the game. If they have problems --> blame WG! My karma did not dip yet so at least I think they understand my pov. So, yes 6 more weeks of fun

This! We are not playing for a Flint or some kind of reward ship that is only given too the real "good" players that have proven too be either good or really invest a lot of time in wows (or both) so that they can show off with their shiny, limited available ship. Nachi is one of the 9 ARP ships (and one of a group of 4 identical ones) that has no real reason for WG to ask for such unwanted requirements. There is no harsh requirement in RU, Asia and NA. Why put EU through this crap? WOWS lowered the unique Takoa to a tier lower (9-->8) after an uproar from the community but refuse to lower Nachi even if she fits the same argument to do so(mission lvl = tier lvl). And even then the mission requirement for Nachi is harsher then the 50 victories of Takao. WG really hates the bulk of its EU players...

I think BB are fine but at this time there are to many in one match. As a dedicated cruiser driver i hate it when there are 6-7 BB in a match. No chance in going offensive without the protection of your side BB. You are either playing defensive or you are back in port faster then you bargained for. Sure, any BB can delete you in one salvo but having to take care and plan ahead when there are 7 BB's around to do just that makes games very odd to play...

I applaud the initiative of improving the odds of encountering more Russian ships but the my point against this is that WE as an cummunity are catering and solving a PROBLEM that is initiated by WG. The solution should be an end to this stupid requirements by WG instead of us trying to migitate it. By the way, I have seen a small increase of Russian ships but most of the time they are played by tier one ranked players making use (abuse?) of the situation to increase their score. Not that people should offer them up as willing targets but there is now so much foul play. I do it too now, going agressive for a quick end of a useless match when there is no enemy targetand go in full focussed on any russian ship if there is one. Ramming is a approved way. I explained a furious Dimitri player after ramming him that he should blame WG instead of me.... WOWS want me to play like a ....? Ok i will play like that.

​You still have to do kills

Today scored my 4th Russian kill for the Nachi...All others are 20/20 but hardly any progress possible for lack of targets. I rammed an enemy Kutnetzov while normaly i could have killed it without suiciding..but having sure kills stolen earlier i start playing more egoistic instead of TEAM. Cancel the Russian requirement WG! Its not a prestige ship like the Flint (all other regions have it easy too) so I ask for normal requirements. The ARP ships are there for FUN (for the people that are interested in it) not for irritations and promoting bad play.

Thanks for the reply. But also thanks for nothing... You hide one of the new and unique ARP ships behind a faulty and atrocious mission line that is rewarding foul play or rngesus. Its only a tier 7 ships (you already handed out 3 times with the sister ships with relative easy missions on a lower tier requirement) so why this hard fu mission? So with my time investment i got all the ships (minus torp (no dd)& 2dn hits (on progress)). but stalling on Nachi. The required time for completing this Nachi mission at this rate is ridiculous to ask from any player that does not full time play games. And after 100+ games i don't consider its only bad luck (2 RU kill), it becomes statistically proven troublesome. Even with more luck (and less kill stealing) I would be at max 5 kills. I like challenging..I dont like over the top absolutely non fun mission that forces you to play a non game type of battle. Step over your shadow, acknowledge you did it wrong and delete the 20 Russian kill requirement. Its a tier 7 ship that important for some people (like me) that wants to have them all. It doe not hurt WG to give out that extra ship (drains credits for the modules to equip it etc.) so why the terrible anti player mission??

MrConway? Any answer yet? Mission is really starting to become unpleasant..

The ARP Nachi mission is starting be really frustrating. Have my Takao (which should be the "hard to get ship" compared to nr. 4th of the Myoko sisters). Japanese and US ships are done, only 6 Germans to go but i stand at a paltry 2 Russian kills. Already had 3 kills (enemy Russian dd point blank in front of my cruiser, torps already dodged) taken away by a Kill Stealing team member 10 KM afar. F*ck this! All the other ships I already had and they are easy to do. But the time investment on this one is atrocious without any guarantee for success. You play against MM RNG You play against initial placement (the one Russian ship is on the other side of the map) You play against the enemy team (this is ok) You play against your own team. Steal Killing, suicide actions etc..

Mrconway said he agreed on our point of view regarding the problems with this mission...but no reaction after that...

Earth to MrConway....Any update???

MrConway, Any update regarding change of Nachi mission?